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by Manitario
posted 04-12-2013 04:34 PM


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poopiekat

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#1 posted 04-12-2013 04:40 PM

But don’t the spammers post something?

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#2 posted 04-12-2013 04:42 PM

As much as I wish they would participate by posting, you also wouldn’t want to exclude those who sign up, never post, but have a bunch of favorites either, I suppose.

But… higher user counts is good for them…

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#3 posted 04-12-2013 04:43 PM

not all members post things … many follow along, looking at the inspirational projects and reading the tips/tricks/experiences

People use the site in many different ways.
Spammers are caught with the “first posting approval” process and the eagle-eyes of our members.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#4 posted 04-12-2013 04:44 PM

I dont really care if there are 36,000 members who arent doing anything, it doesnt really affect me in any way. As long as these wasted accounts are slowing down the site, then whatever….

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#5 posted 04-12-2013 04:46 PM

I don’t like that idea. Why do you think it would be better if everyone HAD to post? How would things be if everyone HAD to vote? Different, and probably worse. I post every so often, but I have only posted only one or two projects because I don’t think I am of the level of woodworkers who post their projects. Besides, I see enough

“good job”

posts already…

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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#6 posted 04-12-2013 04:51 PM

Dwain…have you seen my projects?? haha…subpar at best! Post your projects! We’d love to see them!

That being said – I agree (Dwain)

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#7 posted 04-12-2013 04:52 PM

Right, Dwain!
I’d be quite happy if the individual post count for each user was invisible, except perhaps on our personal ‘My Messages’ profile. It serves no purpose.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#8 posted 04-12-2013 04:56 PM

Start your own site if you want to be the nanny.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#9 posted 04-12-2013 05:02 PM

MsDebbie steps up to plate, it’s a low slider but she swings….....and hits a home run!!!

I got nothin.

I can’t remember how long I read and browsed this site before signing up…I would say at least 6 months.

-- Just a man and his opinion.

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#10 posted 04-12-2013 05:04 PM

Manitario, thanks for bringing up the subject for discussion. Can’t say I really care either way, but I don’t want all the comments to look like your getting “dogpiled”. Plus, I posted something, so now I can stay! :)

-- You've got to be smarter than the tree.

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#11 posted 04-12-2013 05:40 PM

Clint. This is the Lumberjock’s feedback forum. Perfectly fine forum topic and discussion. Your comment however was a complete waste of bandwidth

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#12 posted 04-12-2013 05:55 PM

”As long as these wasted accounts are slowing down the site, then whatever….”
I think you meant “are NOT slowing down”

I agree with you. And as I click around on this site (probably waaay too much now that I’m “between jobs”) I notice some folks have been here 1000+ days and have like 12 posts. While others (like me) are “Motormouth posters” because I find so much stuff I like and I comment on them :-)

-- Perform A Random Act Of Kindness Today ... Pay It Forward

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#13 posted 04-12-2013 05:59 PM

Much ado about nothing I would say.

-- Dwight - "Free legal advice available - contact Dewey, Cheetam & Howe""

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#14 posted 04-12-2013 06:05 PM

if you want to promote a FB page (and possibly even a sight like this as well)... you can actually pay people for “bundled likes”.. i.e. send some guy in Nigeria $200 and he’ll get 10,000 people to like your FB page.

I wonder if the same can be done for forum membership.

On some web sites, you need to create an account to see certain content…. i.e. photo’s. So some “lurkers” or people who came here via. a Google search, may log in just to see the content they searched up and never intend to come back.

Not sure if that’s how it works here or not….

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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#15 posted 04-12-2013 06:07 PM

Why would anyone want to exclude someone from LJ when their very presence demonstrates an interest? Their presence ‘slowing’ down the site? I doubt that! It’s silly! Does the word Fascism mean anything to those who prefer to lock out non-contributing members? Indeed, it is much ado about nothing! Some people have too much time on their hands.

-- Max the "night janitor" at www.hardwoodclocks.com

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#16 posted 04-12-2013 06:11 PM

Well a few things on my mind… the post count is useful to see if someone I have been following or chatting with has not been on in a while, so I can send a PM if needed to see whats up. Often I don’t heatr back, so I figure they are not active anymore.. but I still love their project posts so I can go back and look at my favorites again and again.

As for non-posting members… I personally know two who love to come and look at my recent posts, because they like to know what I am doing on the woodworking front.. I am far more social on here than on FaceBook.

One idea… if this is a real concern, could be to establish a tiered user system… if you post a project you get to be a LumberJock.. otherwise you are listed as a guest. PaintingILove.com.. uses this on top of that you don’t get your own work posted for comment and review until you comment on other peoples work first… I thought the cadence would be lots of “Love it” or “Awesome” but there are a lot of real good feedback.. just like here. Mostly because it is set up to feel that only flat art artists are on there… it feels exclusive so they are more open and friendly… and there are no spammers or faked accounts… or disruptor trolls… which I think some on here are…. instigators (for glory or employment) that make needless drama and angst. LOL

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#17 posted 04-12-2013 06:36 PM

I personally looked at this site for a few months before signing up. And when I did sign up, it was specifically to favorite something, not to post a project/blog/forum topic. Perhaps a modification of the original idea where accounts are deleted if they do nothing other than sign up, i.e. no favorites, blogs, forum posts, etc.

I can tell you as a software developer that additional users do affect performance. The more rows you get in a database table, the worse certain actions perform. There are things you can do to optimize database performance, like indexing, caching, etc. With most modern databases, performance isn’t really affected until table size gets pretty large, but it is affected. Doing some cleanup could help improve performance.

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Manitario

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#18 posted 04-12-2013 06:57 PM

I didn’t realize that that many people sign up just to record their favourites. However, out of the 36000 who are non-posters, I’d estimate (by randomly sampling profiles) that at least 50% have never done anything other than sign up an account, ie. no favourites etc. As well, again by randomly sampling profiles, I’d estimate that ~20-30% of the 36000 are spam accounts. Not that it really matters in the big picture!

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#19 posted 04-12-2013 07:17 PM

But Mantario, think of all those who “bank/store” alter-egos, AKA multiple identities, so that they can pop up randomly anytime they want to criticize/slap/rant and not be held responsible. What would all of those gelly-bellys do without that alter-ego outlet? {sarcasm}

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#20 posted 04-12-2013 07:45 PM

Does that mean is Abbott could still be on here???!? Don’t scare me Mike!

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#21 posted 04-12-2013 09:11 PM

Why would anyone want to exclude someone from LJ when their very presence demonstrates an interest?
Does the word Fascism mean anything
A acouple months after joining a Lj was giving advise about his post & was jump on. Who are you to give someone advise on how to do something when your not considered a WW…
You didn’t post a WorkShop so you don’t qualify to give out advise on how to do something…
I’ve heard quite afew say this, one went as far as to say no WorkShop, no Projects, No comment from me….
The way I look at it your comment isn’t worth my time reading….
Being on here for awhile you get to learn a real lot, I’m not just talking about WW either…

-- Rick

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Manitario

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#22 posted 04-12-2013 09:59 PM

For those that have responded to this with polite feedback; thank you. Even if you do not agree with my idea, I appreciate your opinion. We’re all here to learn from each other.
For those that choose to respond to this topic with anger or rudeness; why? Why are you not able to calmly express your views in a civilized manner without rancor? Why does someone posting something you disagree with affect you so strongly that you have to respond in a rude manner? We’re all not going to agree on everything, but hey, we’re all part of the LJ community so let’s discuss our ideas and opinions with politeness and civility.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#23 posted 04-12-2013 10:25 PM

Manitario....Great topic…surely will receive mixed opinions….I for one don’t mind those who never make a post.

I find it more offensive that certain LJ members that cause problems are still allowed to be on this site. Even when this rude and child like behavior is a pattern in multiple forum topics…This behavior is distracting and leads to getting off topic and upsets everyone involved…

Example of this pasted below from a member with a History of rude behavior found on many forums

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/48668

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#24 posted 04-12-2013 10:40 PM

Good stuff Rob. Seems like there are really only a couple of thousand members who actively participate. I suppose it doesn’t bother me if they participate on here or not. I know there are lots of reasons why people don’t participate, and that is ok. Probably not worth worrying about per se either way.

The questionable aspect to me, like kdc suggested, is the allowance for habitual and repeat troll, argumentative, and negative type interactions. There always seems to be the same people up to basically no good. Let’s let their membership be examined.

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#25 posted 04-12-2013 11:04 PM

I agree that most of the non active members are spammers ,every day there are anywhere from 20-50 new spam members.It’s not really in LJs or it’s owners interest to delete old spam members or new spam members because how many hits and how many members a forum has attracts advertisers,so why throw away members when it affects the bottom line , whether they are real members or not.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#26 posted 04-13-2013 12:42 AM

No spam from me.
I don’t truly have much to say, just like looking at everyone’s very cool projects.

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#27 posted 04-13-2013 01:08 AM

I was in the same boat as a poster well above me. I joined LJ’s, as i was curious and to get a feel about the place before speaking. I spent HOURS and DAYS looking through forum posts and projects and blogs and reviews, as I was lost. It is somewhat intimidating to speak up when you do not even understand the function of a jointer (took me a week to figure it out) when you never owned one. I didnt know where to start. And my Man-Genes wouldnt allow me to speak up, fearing everyone would look down on me. But i’m ok with that now because posting even the mundane of things (chisels, sharpening, garage remodel), i have learned that sharing my experience (good or bad) is what LJ’s is about. Those who have not posted will come around eventually. Those who never will… i hope they get inspired by the atmosphere and creative artistry that comes with LJ’s.

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#28 posted 04-13-2013 02:05 AM

What’s the difference if someone hasn’t post anything. Some people come on here for inspiration, others come for knowledge, some may have signed up and got caught up in life. I don’t post a lot, but I do check out LJ’s almost every day. If I catch a post that I feel I can contribute to I will. There are members that you see a lot of for a while then you don’t for a time and then they return.

Each member uses the site in different ways. The membership is huge andi think one of the best sites. I am a member on a couple of other sights and don’t post on them and haven’t been asked to leave.

All in all this is one of the best on line communities.

Happy woodworking.

-- mrg

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#29 posted 04-13-2013 02:08 AM

First world problems.

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#30 posted 04-13-2013 02:53 AM

I am one who watched from the sidelines for a long time before signing up and I found the site useful and learned some from those that posted. However, with the attitude of this Manitardio I don’t understand. Isn’t this site about learning and sharing not being an arse and making comments just to stir the pot?

-- Learning as I go

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#31 posted 04-13-2013 03:06 AM

who gives a poop ?

for those who don’t post when they shouldn’t

my hat is off to them as they might be the ones who do their homework

some who do post, are to too quick to show how stupid they are and should best be thought an idiot

as opposed to removing all doubt ?

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#32 posted 04-13-2013 03:18 AM

The pulse page almost resembles some of those old chat rooms from the past. Content keeps changing so fast nothing hardly ever gains any traction.

For all the good information that is available here, there seems to be something missing in dealing with the avalanche of posts that are generated by the community. The quantity of posts and the short life span of front page posts waters down the sites usefulness and makes for a rather un-intimate experience for the individual.

If I had an answer , I would probably be making a living out of designing user friendly intimate forums that have large memberships. But unfortunately, I don’t have any answers and really not much in the way of suggestion.

One suggestion however would be for a minimum number of posts , say around 20, before they show up on the main pulse page or before they show near the top of forums.

Another suggestion, maybe allow a bit more customization on the user end. Ironically there does seem to be quite a few options on my end for customizing how I see forum content. Maybe I just need to tweek it more.

Like a few others have stated, some really dumb questions and spam end up crowding out interesting posts that never get seen.

Maybe its just the nature of the hobby to have so many questions constantly bombarding the front page.
Not sure what the answer is . I suppose the positve to take from it all is that its better for a forum to be vibrantly busy than a ghost-town.

Maybe I drifted off topic a little. So I digress. .....out.

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#33 posted 04-13-2013 03:33 AM

Rick, That cracked me up….damn first worlders.

-- Just a man and his opinion.

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#34 posted 04-13-2013 04:13 AM

Well my being a newbie on this site I can tell you that IF a requirement forcing me to post something or being given the boot were in effect, I’d just click on the X in the upper right corner. There are to many sites out there like this one. I’ve had one man try to force me to do something and he was my first boss at my first job. I quit on the spot and opened my own business. Here I am some 50 years later not regretting anything I’ve ever done. The only thing I’ll be forced into is death and I am trying to work around that!

-- EdwardNorton

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#35 posted 04-13-2013 05:05 AM

I think the answer may be to remove members who don’t sign on after a long time especially if they never contributed more then a name on their profile. There could be an automated email message making them aware that they have not been signed on at Lumberjocks for a year. Do they wish to continue as an active member. If they are removed they can still see everything they want but just can’t post comments. I too was a lurker here for about 6 months to a year before becoming a member. I don’t care if some people just look and are less involved and rarely contribute to anything. It would be nice if all members contributed by posting comments, projects, blogs and forum topics. I wish there were a lot more workshop posts, I really enjoy seeing shops. I think the more active members need to encourage new members to contribute and also learn how things operate here. I have made a couple of friends while attending local woodworking classes including the instructors. I told a lot of them about how much I enjoy Lumberjocks and recommended it to them but a lot of people think they can’t become a contributing members. As was said before a lot of people use this site in many different ways.

-- Aaron - central California "If you haven't got the time to do it right, when will you find the time to do it over?"

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#36 posted 04-13-2013 05:22 AM

Does member numbers really help with advertising?

-- Aaron - central California "If you haven't got the time to do it right, when will you find the time to do it over?"

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#37 posted 04-13-2013 10:18 AM

some who do post, are to too quick to show how stupid they are and should best be thought an idiot

And you Sir/Madam, are their leader. Anybody needing proof of that, simply take a look at the horse$h!t posts he/she is responsible for. 99% of it has nothing to do with woodworking; idiotic pictures with matching idiotic rants. Yeah, we know who the idiots are, you removed everyone’s doubt many times over. So file your post under the pot calling the kettle black.

-- Mike

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#38 posted 04-13-2013 10:54 AM

Numbers sell and the owners want the site to look as “large” as possible. This is a great website. I’ve been around for over 4 years now and have seen it grow. I’ve also seen some pretty awesome woodworkers disappear after a time and then come back. I also know that people sign up because they think they have to in order to see what’s on the site (I have one such friend…non-woodworker but wanted to see what I had posted – did not realize that one could lurk without signing in).
I do think it is somewhat disingenuous to list all 36,000+ members as “active”. Perhaps we could have an “inactive” category for those whose membership is, well, “inactive” for a specific period of time. Reactivation would simply come with a posting or a request.
I, for one, would really like to know how many active members there are! More curiosity than anything else!
If everyone wants to continue as we are, fine… it is not a big deal.
Just thought I’d offer my thoughts on the issue.

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#39 posted 04-13-2013 02:03 PM

It really doesn’t make much difference to me one way or the other.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#40 posted 04-13-2013 03:08 PM

What difference does it make? I am a member on a number of sites that I have never posted on. I visit them from time to time but haven’t felt the need to comment on them.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#41 posted 04-13-2013 03:42 PM

@Manitario:
Regarding your post #22, I understand exactly what you’re going through. By posting a topic that is merely an observation, respectful and non-judgmental, you open the door for the less enlightened to devote their time to tell you how unworthy the thread is to be commented on, by entering their own disparaging comment . That’s ironic, isn’t it? For you to start a thread that invites respectful opinions, you expose a type of vulnerability that is seized upon by certain ill-mannered people who just want you to feel bad. I commend you for not responding to them at their own level. I’m sure you’ve taken note of who the usual suspects are.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#42 posted 04-13-2013 05:06 PM

I agree with what seems to be the common consensus. I am the type of person that doesn’t post much. In fact, I read the site regularly but only recently made an account. I think it is fine having several inactive members. As others have mentioned, there is much more to do here than make comments.

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#43 posted 04-13-2013 05:39 PM

I have posted but there are weeks that go by when I have nothing to post. I do however spend time viewing the fine work of others & often get an inspired idea from someone elses efforts. I suspect that there are some members (new & old) who are a bit intimidated by the quality of some of the work posted. But by seeing these efforts they may be able to increase their level of expertise to the point that they will post later. So I guess I am against the proposed idea.

-- Richard, Pennsylvania

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#44 posted 04-13-2013 07:59 PM

BoxBuilder…It’s one of those “damned if I do, damned if I don’t” things. There are a few “snipers” here ready to jump on anything that they view as stupid (not much else to do I guess). That scares some people from posting (“thank you sir may I have another” doesn’t appeal to everybody).

I’ve posted before that this site is like a corner bar…some people feel the need to opine on everything, some people simply prefer to sit quietly and listen. As long as the site owners don’t care and nobody violates the house rules, then leave it alone or find another bar.

btw, I read the posts regularly and am scratching my head over the “Spam” complaints. I have to say that I have not seen many in my 815 days…might be that my definition of “Spam” is different than others.

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#45 posted 04-13-2013 08:34 PM

GET A LIFE

-- dean2336,nebr.

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Manitario

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#46 posted 04-13-2013 08:57 PM

Thanks Poopiekat, we’ve both been on this site long enough to see the coffee lounge killed several times by people who just can’t handle respectful opinions that differ from their own. Intelligent debate is part of intellectual growth and I appreciate some of the polite, well thought responses to this thread.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#47 posted 04-13-2013 09:12 PM

Amen. Haven’t been on here a long time. I’m a decent woodworker and I’ve tried to contribute. Don’t have anything against those who don’t. But I’m a little disappointed with the tact of a few LJs on this forum.

-- Red-- "At the end of the day, try and make it beautiful....because the world is full of ugly." Konrad Sauer

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#48 posted 04-13-2013 09:22 PM

Manitario.... You had mixed opinions for sure. Some of which weren’t respectful. Your recent comment above attests to your character for not responding negatively to those posts

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#49 posted 04-13-2013 11:50 PM

Dribble Crap

-- WOOD/DON (...one has the right to ones opinion but not the right to ones own facts...)

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#50 posted 04-14-2013 08:00 PM

Nevermind my brainfart…

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

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