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by Clint Searl
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#1 posted 03-25-2013 08:03 PM

Clint, I have wondered the same thing. It’s not clear to me what being a “sponsor” of this website even means.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#2 posted 03-25-2013 08:25 PM

um… probably because he sends Martin money

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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#3 posted 03-25-2013 08:29 PM

Would you give it a rest? The guy is a representative of a paid sponsor, is promoting a contest where he will give $1600 worth of product to a LJ winner, we should have more like him!

-- To surrender a dream leaves life as it is — and not as it could be.

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#4 posted 03-25-2013 08:30 PM

I have no problem with it….. just stating the obvious

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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#5 posted 03-25-2013 08:33 PM

I don’t see a problem. I’d bet he would also be able to be a liason, should someone have problems with one of their machines, tech support, sales & service. Sounds like a symbiotic relationship.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#6 posted 03-25-2013 08:35 PM

I’ve heard that anyone who doesn’t like a paid sponsor participating, as in offering free stuff and contest prizes, in the forums, is entitled to a 100% refund of their LumberJocks membership fee.

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#7 posted 03-25-2013 08:55 PM

Because it keeps the lights on?

Doesn’t really bother me. Their posts seem to be kept to a minimum, and, at least in my opinion, are value added. It’s nice to have a manufacturer’s rep active in here. Don’t think anyone is really using their tools yet, but when people do I can really see it being beneficial if he’s still around.

If the alternative were to have LJ start charging a fee or just shut down, i’ll take this any day of the week.

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#8 posted 03-25-2013 08:57 PM

I think they are even sending out free hats when you order thier catalog. (And get on thier mailing list, I presume)

Imagine that…. free hats—the nerve of some people. ;-)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#9 posted 03-25-2013 09:10 PM

It would be helpful if we could see a listing of all paid sponsors.

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#10 posted 03-25-2013 09:13 PM

Why is the representative of a paid sponsor, Baileigh, who’s never even posted a project, permitted to advertise via a Forum topic?

For the same reason that you’re able to post topics like this one—Martin allows it.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#11 posted 03-25-2013 09:40 PM

I am with the others, as long as the funds from this advertiser keeps LJ up and allows for improved features, I am all for it. Sure beats those pesky ads on other sites that expand across your screen.

-- Scott in Texas

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#12 posted 03-25-2013 09:40 PM

I’d much rather have a company rep on the forums for when the inevitable lemon makes it through the assembly line and warranty service is needed.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#13 posted 03-25-2013 10:04 PM

It’s not like he’s shilling for his products while hiding who he works for or anything. It’s pretty easy to avoid his threads as well.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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#14 posted 03-26-2013 12:31 AM

James, thanks for asking.

A listing of all paid sponsors would allow me to see who is providing financial support of this website.

And, no, whether or not I know who is financially supporting the costs of maintaining this website has no impact on the way I use the site.

Again, thanks for your questions!

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#15 posted 03-26-2013 02:13 AM

James, you fail to see my point, and I fail to see why it’s so difficult to see my point.

I’ll repeat, though, that I can’t imagine how knowing who financially supports this site would in any way change the way I use this site. I answered your question in my previous post.

The impact of knowing the identity of this site’s supporters (paid sponsors) seems obvious to me. Right now I have an order (online) ready to submit to Klingspor for consumables (a couple of TS blades, a resaw blade, glue, etc). The prices of those items is pretty consistent among online retailers. My order could just as easily be placed with 5 or 6 other retailers. If I learned that Highland, for example, is a sponsor and Klingspor is not, my order might be submitted to Highland instead of Klingspor.

In my experience an organization identifies to its patrons (in this case, jocks) those who are paid sponsors. And sponsors like being publicly acknowledged/thanked for their support.

Okie dokie?

-- I'm selfless because it feels so good!

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#16 posted 03-26-2013 03:20 AM

Don’t get your underware tied in a knot. I have no problem with them if their not jumping on every table saw thread and pumping their product. They are introducing another option for woodworkers in what I believe as a nonintrusive way. Not once have I seen him say a bad thing about a competitor. I think we should welcome them with open arms if they are are supporting this sight. Competition is always good.

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#17 posted 03-26-2013 06:03 AM

I think he should be welcome here. Guys from Festool and Minimax are contributors to other sites where their opinions are welcomed. He’s clear about who he is, gives money to the site, and puts on a give away, I say welcome & thanks. Now do I win the cash prize :)

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#18 posted 03-26-2013 09:13 AM

I don’t see what difference it makes to us users who pays the freight . If I was running a free to the users website and they ask me who paying to bills I’d politely “that’s my personal business”.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#19 posted 03-26-2013 02:45 PM

I think it’s fine as long as he isn’t mis-representing himself. He is open about the fact that he works for Baleigh and is trying to get their name out there among woodworkers

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#20 posted 03-26-2013 02:53 PM

I personally would like to know who the sponsors of the site are. I would probably buy their product over a competitors (that doesn’t support the site.) A couple of rodbuilding site spend time on post the sponsors name in the margin. It is an excellent source for searching for products and also you have access to a supplier or manufacturer for answer to questions. Like Balleigh and stumpy they post their specials and answers to other posts on line.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#21 posted 03-26-2013 03:04 PM

I must have missed the rule that says you have to post a project in order to be “somebody” on this site. I’d rather see a rule against the pontifications I see from certain individuals on this site.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#22 posted 03-26-2013 03:54 PM

i agree with Clint; which is to say, just because Baileigh is a paid sponsor doesn’t mean they (or He) is a woodworker helping us with design and technique issues, and offering experience-based advice – which is what this forum is all about. Anyone who pays to advertise (sponsor), they can advertise and sponsor – we all see the banner ads; the side ads; the near-topless girl selling T-shirts.

Also, why is Baileigh only now printing a catalog? Why do they have to run a campaign to become known, if they’ve been doing this? It takes a long time to develop stable, proven machine designs, and enough wood industry experience to build proper machines.

For my part, this is not the Lumberjocks I want to see going forward – this opens a fairly wide door for other Reps to clutter-up the space.

Just my opinion…

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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#23 posted 03-26-2013 04:08 PM

Samurai…Posting projects is my rule to establish the bona fides of a member, and it’s a way to share our designs and woodworking achievements. I tend to disregard opinions that aren’t supported by the experience displayed in projects.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#24 posted 03-26-2013 04:19 PM

I thought Shane and Baileigh Industries was vented and cross examined pretty harshly when he first joined LJ’s.

I’ve never felt that he has either misrepresented himshelf or the company and I’ve never seen where he’s tried to hi-jack a thread to push anything.

As far as whether he’s a woodworker or not or whether he has posted a project or not; why is that being questioned anymore than any other LJ member that has nothing posted. I don’t see where that has a lot to do with whether he is qualified to be on LJ’s.

I could think of a number of other LJ members that I would question their real motive for posting here then worrying about Baileigh Industries motives. I think he has been very up front and forth coming with all of us.

If we’re that interested in cleaning up someones else’s site, let’s focus on the scammers and trolls.

.........just saying with a smiley face. : )

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#25 posted 03-26-2013 04:33 PM

For me, this is not about Baileigh, per se – it’s about crossing that very grey line into using the Forums as advertising space. This site has plenty of designated advertising space, we don’t need to have that expanded into the Blogs. Reviews, and Forums areas. We don’t need raffles, give-aways, contests, and lord knows what sitting inside areas where the members are here to share.

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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#26 posted 03-26-2013 05:38 PM

Well put.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#27 posted 03-26-2013 06:15 PM

Well, I don’t think it’s well put and I will respectfully disagree on this point. It seems from the responses on this thread and on others that the majority of members enjoy (or at the least don’t object) to Shane’s presence in the forums. More significantly, the forum owner and management team don’t have a problem with it, either.

I personally find it distasteful that a member here is making another member feel unwelcome. Not in line with the LJ spirit, in my opinion.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#28 posted 03-26-2013 06:21 PM

“I personally find it distasteful that a member here is making another member feel unwelcome. Not in line with the LJ spirit, in my opinion.”

Well said John.

As already said, if one doesn’t like particular members or content, don’t open/view them.
It’s much easier than being openly confrontational.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#29 posted 03-26-2013 06:33 PM

I’ve said my piece, and it’s not my Forum to decide what it contains.

I’ll close my participation in this Thread by choosing Clint’s byline: ” We Deserve What We Tolerate”.

Good Night, all.

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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#30 posted 03-26-2013 07:10 PM

Well, that was “Special” ;>)

Over at the “Creek”, Rob Lee is a Regular. They even ask him about what new stuff he is making.

Here? Some of the posters must live in an ivory Tower. They would rather fumble around, and look down their nose at such “Trades Persons” the way the Squires used to look at “Washerwomen” trying to use the Front Door to the Manor, of all things!

So he posts an ad for whom he works for. If you don’t like what he is posting, don’t look. how bleeding hard is that?

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#31 posted 03-26-2013 07:10 PM

There are members here at LJ who contribute invaluable information, including projects, blogs, and forum responses, and also have links to their business. 2nd Chance Sawworks and Don W’s vintage planes at Time Tested Tools are two ones off the top of my head. Some sawyers sell their stuff in the classified. If you start a zero-tolerance policy about reps from Baileigh, you also get rid of valuable community members.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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#32 posted 03-26-2013 10:01 PM

Hey Guys!! I thank Baileigh for being a sponsor! Because of them this site is successful and we are able to share content. Without sponsors this site would probably have to charge each member 4-5$ per month and we would only have a tenth of the members who would pay that. So for those who sponsor Lumberjocks, I say thank you! and for those who are not sponsors of Lumberjocks, I ask why not?

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#33 posted 03-26-2013 10:20 PM

Hey Guys!! I thank Baileigh for being a sponsor! Because of them this site is successful and we are able to share content. Without sponsors this site would probably have to charge each member 4-5$ per month and we would only have a tenth of the members who would pay that. So for those who sponsor Lumberjocks, I say thank you! and for those who are not sponsors of Lumberjocks, I ask why not?

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#34 posted 03-28-2013 12:19 AM

Well they could post a project, a picture of the latest catelog. It fits the criteria, made of wood, somewhat. (laughing) How about that?????

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#35 posted 03-28-2013 01:00 AM

I kind of figured that it wouldn’t be too long after the Baileigh contest thread started that there would be some LJs look down on the “contest”. For me, I think its okay. But I can see where others may not appreciate it. LJ members are all the time holding contests for different stuff and with different prizes. That is members to members. Usually when an advertiser sponsors some sort of contest, it is announced by Lumberjocks. They tell us all the details and the “sponsor” just makes good on the pay-out at the end of the contest. Just maybe…..... Baileigh should have hooked up with Escalate Media before announcing their contest and ask the owners of the site if there are any guidelines for sponsors who want to hold such a contest. Like I said, if its just LJ to LJ, no problem. Everyone does it some time and a lot of members participate. But if it is a business (sponsor), they should have to go through the proper channels just to make sure everything is okay with the owners of the site. . . . . Just some thoughts.

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#36 posted 03-28-2013 01:31 AM

“I kind of figured that it wouldn’t be too long after the Baileigh contest thread started that there would be some LJs look down on the “contest”. For me, I think its okay. But I can see where others may not appreciate it. LJ members are all the time holding contests for different stuff and with different prizes. That is members to members. Usually when an advertiser sponsors some sort of contest, it is announced by Lumberjocks. They tell us all the details and the “sponsor” just makes good on the pay-out at the end of the contest. Just maybe…….. Baileigh should have hooked up with Escalate Media before announcing their contest and ask the owners of the site if there are any guidelines for sponsors who want to hold such a contest. Like I said, if its just LJ to LJ, no problem. Everyone does it some time and a lot of members participate. But if it is a business (sponsor), they should have to go through the proper channels just to make sure everything is okay with the owners of the site. . . . . Just some thoughts.”

Just to clear the air hear. Both contests we are currently running on Lumberjocks.com and Woodworkingtalk.com were approved my Escalate Media. I have been in close contact with them through this entire process and they are not only OK with it, but were looking forward to us having them on both of their forums. The contests were intended to hook up a couple lucky woodworkers with some free machinery all in good fun and in good faith. We have these contests all of the time on many forums and they are always a success, 100% of the time. It happens several times a year and many look forward to them as many benefits from them. Most of the contests we have are “tech write up” related and many of the Baileigh contest threads have become a resource for good tech articles. From the amount of positive PM’s, emails, phone calls and catalog requests we have received, it looks like this one will follow suite.

One regret is maybe we should have had a “tech related” contest as our first one. Once again, we are not hear to ruffle any feather, but to get involved on the forum. Just give us time to get our feet wet. There will be plenty of “real woodworking” content coming from the Baileigh gang and our customers.

-- Shane Henderson shenderson@baileighindustrial.com 920-482-3220 http://wood.baileighindustrial.com/

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#37 posted 03-28-2013 01:35 AM

“Hey Guys!! I thank Baileigh for being a sponsor! Because of them this site is successful and we are able to share content. Without sponsors this site would probably have to charge each member 4-5$ per month and we would only have a tenth of the members who would pay that. So for those who sponsor Lumberjocks, I say thank you! and for those who are not sponsors of Lumberjocks, I ask why not?”

Thanks for having us.

-- Shane Henderson shenderson@baileighindustrial.com 920-482-3220 http://wood.baileighindustrial.com/

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#38 posted 03-28-2013 10:26 AM

Looks like Baileigh has gone through all the right channels. Thanks for clearing the air for us. Its like James101 said, “how do we know they didn’t go through Escalate Media?”. We didn’t. But, now we do. Good luck with your contest. I can’t see how anyone could be against it now.

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#39 posted 03-28-2013 12:39 PM

Boy, is my face red. Nyuk Nyuk

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#40 posted 03-28-2013 01:33 PM

Clint…..since I have no projects posted, feel free to disregard my posts. I feel certain my work and expertise falls far short of your magnificence. Judging from your prolific offerings on this site, it is obvious you consider most folks on here unworthy as well.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#41 posted 03-28-2013 03:01 PM

I personally am happy to see Baileigh on the forum and running a contest, one for the first time that I feel like I could have a shot at winning. Most of the contests are based on skill and as a fairly new woodworker for that is something I am short of. I have also found myself visiting lumberjocks more and more since the contest started.

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#42 posted 03-28-2013 04:26 PM

Who is Martin?

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#43 posted 03-28-2013 04:31 PM

Sorry, double post.

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#44 posted 03-28-2013 04:59 PM

I guess that means I shouldn’t be posting my thoughts or opinions since I haven’t posted any of my projects on this site. Thanks for the heads up Clint!

-- Mike ---- Visit my woodworking blog: http://sawdustnewbie.com

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#45 posted 03-28-2013 05:06 PM

Emma, Martin is Alfred E’s brother.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#46 posted 03-28-2013 05:08 PM

Emma, Martin is Alfred E’s brother.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#47 posted 03-28-2013 05:13 PM

I don’t have any projects either…but I’ll offer this, with Shane here and Baileigh now offering some woodworking machinery, I personally think it is awesome to have him on this site to be able to PM or even contact through a thread. With the occasional confrontational demeanor exhibited on this site, I personally think he is brave to join….not to mention he is giving away product through a contest…
Mike

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#48 posted 03-28-2013 05:57 PM

Not only a paying sponsor, but quick to reply when recieving an email.
Think you’d get a reply from Porter Cable?
I welcome the sponsorship and participation from/by folks who build the tooling we use at work and at play.
Grizz has the same presence on the net. Shiraz is quick to chime in on some other sites.
Welcome Shane and Baileigh.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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#49 posted 03-28-2013 06:54 PM

Martin is the founder, president, and CEO of LJs.

http://lumberjocks.com/about/team

-- John, BC, Canada

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#50 posted 03-28-2013 09:12 PM

Is Martin aware that there’s no quote function on his forum?

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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