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Table saw pre-purchasing research

by nwbusa
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#1 posted 02-09-2013 12:34 AM

nwbusa- Been there done that…frustrating I know

Knottscott is the table saw guru on this site. He has great info on saws

Well if you end up going for a Grizzly. They are having tent sales at all they locations. Never been to one but from what I’ve heard you can get good deals on “as is” and “scratch and dent”

Via Grizzly Facebook Page it says:
Muncy PA – May 18th and Sept 21st
Springfield MO – June 8th
Bellingham WA – June 22nd

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#2 posted 02-09-2013 12:38 AM

If it’s for your self esteem, buy the most expensive one you can afford. If it’s to make stuff, a Ridgid portable or contractors saw will do 98.7% of what needs doing.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#3 posted 02-09-2013 12:41 AM

Youre probably going to want that extra rip capacity. I’ve got 52” on my saw and while I only use the extra 2’ about 20% of the time, having that ability is priceless… Especially since my mitresaw sucks so bad. If you work with sheetgoods… then it’s a no-brainer. And if you have the room and the budget to work with… enough said.

Happy Hunting and show us some pics of the Laguna once you it wired up!

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#4 posted 02-09-2013 01:30 AM

How about Hammer with a sliding table and built in dust collection.

This is the smallest model at a cost of $2990! They also have much larger ones available!

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#5 posted 02-09-2013 01:41 AM

I was “the woodworking shows” today and hammer was displaying a saw for $1995. I didn’t really look at it too closely.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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#6 posted 02-09-2013 01:46 AM

”If it’s for your self esteem, buy the most expensive one you can afford. If it’s to make stuff, a Ridgid portable or contractors saw will do 98.7% of what needs doing.”

So I presume you’re of the opinion anyone buying a higher quality or caliber saw other than a low end basic POS is simply “compensating”?

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#7 posted 02-09-2013 01:55 AM

”I was initially considering a G1023RLW, but I don’t think I can live with a 26” rip capacity.”

Can you deal with 36” rip? Gain 10 inches rip capacity without drilling

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#8 posted 02-09-2013 02:01 AM

Delta UNISaw.
You will not regret it.
Probably be the last TS you will every buy so get what you really want.

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#9 posted 02-09-2013 02:02 AM

SamuariSaw.... Lol.. agree to your response to this ” If it’s for your self esteem, buy the most expensive one you can afford. If it’s to make stuff, a Ridgid portable or contractors saw will do 98.7% of what needs doing.”

That can be interpreted as a bit insulting. Almost like that one LJ member who rips everyone a new one for not buying a Delta. Won’t mention names of course. Definitely NOT refering to you danr ....lol

Nwbusa – buy the best you can afford and one that accomodates your shop and your needs… I think that would be a better less offensive answer

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#10 posted 02-09-2013 02:33 AM

We all “compensate” to some degree in that we buy what works best for our specific situation. I just love the guys that ridicule folks for buying a cabinet saw, but then laugh at people buying a low end hand plane rather than a Lie-Nielson.

Most cabinet saws will out-perform most contractor saws. It is a fact of life, get over it. However, a skilled craftsman will take whatever tools are at his disposal are create something of value. They are tools, simply that.

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#11 posted 02-09-2013 02:42 AM

Oh, I’m not offended by ol’ Clint. He just has a certain way about him lol…

I’m starting to come over to the 52” school of thought. I just need to make sure I don’t limit my floor space for future machine additions.

knotscott, thanks for the link and that’s a good point. Yes, I think I could live with 36”. Even 30” would probably be okay, but I’m giving some heavy thought to the larger rip capacity saws.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#12 posted 02-09-2013 03:41 AM

Doing the same thing to the G0690 will net ~40” rip.

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#13 posted 02-09-2013 04:15 AM

Go with Grizzly. When Laguna pulls the chain of the guy you talked to, it’s not much different than pulling your chain directly. And everyone says Grizzly CS is very good. It’s a short drive for you down to Bellingham and you can save the freight . . .

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#14 posted 02-09-2013 04:38 AM

Yeah, but what sucks is that if I pick up a Grizzly saw down there, I have to pay sales tax twice—9% in WA and 12% in BC. That’s a tough pill to swallow.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#15 posted 02-09-2013 04:50 AM

Clint is absolutely correct. The problem with some of you Cabinet saw owners and or salesmen is the ridiculous nit picking of Contractor’s saws. I gets really old.

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#16 posted 02-09-2013 05:05 AM

I will echo the advice to not be afraid to spend a little extra. A cabinet saw will most likely be a one time purchase and you’ll use it for most every project you build for decades to come so get what you want.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#17 posted 02-09-2013 05:22 AM

Cabinet maker versus contractor is truly a matter of choice and not nit picking.

If a contractors saw can do 98.7% of what I want to do but I want a cabinet makers saw then that is MY choice!

There are some features available on cabinet makers saws that are not available on contractors saws. I won’t list all the list of pros and cons between specific models of each (most LJ probably know them) but it still comes down to personal choice and some of the newer models of each have some very good features!

I noticed that no one in this forum mentioned the single standout feature saw, the Saw Stop!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#18 posted 02-09-2013 05:33 AM

Not interested in a debate regarding contractor saws vs. cabinet saws. If I wanted a contractor saw, I’d buy one.

I do agree that it makes sense to buy the tool you want, if it can reasonably be afforded. That’s obviously a criteria that will vary from person to person based on their individual circumstances.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#19 posted 02-09-2013 05:42 AM

^ Glad you agree!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#20 posted 02-09-2013 05:50 AM

John, these are all nice saws, and you’ll be happy with whatever you choose.

Have you considered picking up a used Unisaw on Craigslist? I took a quick look, and it looks like there are several nice ones that are not far from you.

-- Kelby

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#21 posted 02-09-2013 05:54 AM

That’s what they said to me at Laguna too before everything went down hill.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#22 posted 02-09-2013 05:55 AM

I prefer buying used equipment. There are so many people who purchase excellent machinery and never use it. You can typically try it before you buy it, you pay a fraction of retail price and there’s NO sales tax. And the sellers typically throw in extra blades, push sticks, wood, extension tables, .....And, if you don’t like it you can likely sell it for what you paid.

I have my saw preferences just like the other people in this thread. But after reading thousands of comments I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are happy with their saws regardless of brand/type. The saw you purchase will most likely fill your needs. If it doesn’t, you’ll sell it and get a different one. It’s not that big of deal in the long run if you don’t happen to get the perfect saw on your first purchase (especially if you get a used saw).

Good luck

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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#23 posted 02-09-2013 06:05 AM

Here’s your Sawstop reply! This pass Dec I sold my Delta contractor saw (which I loved but it didn’t love me back) and bought a Sawstop 1.75hr cabinet saw. I payed $2700.00 for it. Back in December I did cut my finger with my delta CS and was off work for over 3 wks. I didn’t loose any body parts only a flesh wound. I was lucky to have short time disability from work (I’am a nurse and the hand surgeon wouldn’t let me go back until it was healed) if I had cut off any of my fingers I would’ve been Screwed! Now for the Sawstop, I really love it! The extra power in the motor compared to the Delta CS is a huge difference. I know it’s only a quarter horse more but it’s very noticeable, the riving knife, dust collection, 36” fence and the safety of the break are fantastic. I don’t regret spending that much for the SS because if I have to use the $65.00 break and destroy a saw blade so what, I would still able to take care of my family. Sawstop!

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#24 posted 02-09-2013 06:53 AM

I don’t have any feelings one way or the other regarding the politics of Sawstop. They look like nice saws, but I personally don’t see the value (for me) in their machines. I prefer less complex tools—again, just my personal preference.

Jim, I’m aware of your experiences with Laguna and believe me, I am weighing that into my decision making process.

I’m not against buying a quality used saw, but honestly I don’t see many come up for sale that meet my criteria (I want a left tilt saw with a riving knife). I’ll keep checking CL over the next few days.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#25 posted 02-09-2013 08:07 AM

like so many that came b4 u

u answered your own question

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#26 posted 02-09-2013 08:15 AM

Just talking some shop with my fellow Lumberjocks, Moron.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#27 posted 02-09-2013 11:44 AM

Have you looked into the General International line? Same family owned company as General, but the machinery is mostly made in Taiwan/China (like so many others) instead of Canada. Grizzly tends to offer a great bang for the buck, but a 21% tax premium puts a pretty good dent in that value.

Any Shop Fox dealers near you? Have you looked into any of the Craftex or King Industrial tools?

It’s farther than Bellingham, but a sweet deal on a General 350.
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#28 posted 02-09-2013 01:11 PM

Knottscott is the table saw guru on this site. I’d say that he’s more of a salesman than anything.

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#29 posted 02-09-2013 01:30 PM

Why is it that when someone asks a simple question and asks for opions, others think they have to take a potshot at them ? Especially when the ink is barely dry on the sign up sheet.

-- Life is good.

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#30 posted 02-09-2013 01:42 PM

Sorry life hasn’t worked out as you would have liked…it probably wasn’t fair, but it’s still your burden to bear, not ours, so please take your meds, talk to your pastor, keep the mental health issues to yourself, and quit lashing out at the world around you. There’s no shame in needing help…but for Pete’s sake, get it. You might try doing something you enjoy for a change….

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#31 posted 02-09-2013 01:46 PM

Scott, who are you talking to ?

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#32 posted 02-09-2013 02:50 PM

SawSucker- Just a shot in the dark here but I think Scott is talking to you. I read and reread the posts and for the life of me can’t see that it would be anyone else….. If I am wrong, which is certainly possible, then KnottScott must be a very busy guy. A salesman for Grizzly, General, General International, Craftex, King, and Shop Fox, wow ! When and how Knottscott do you find the time to offer good unbiased advice ?

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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#33 posted 02-09-2013 03:00 PM

Welcome to the sawsucker nightmare. For some reason he thinks discussions about cabinet saws are really a veiled attempt to undermine his manhood. He’s done this on every discussion board around, and consequently has been banned from them all as well. Looks like he wants to do the same thing here.

KnottScott contributes to a number of sites and gives some of the best advice around. Quite the contrast to sawsucker’s vitriol!

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#34 posted 02-09-2013 03:26 PM

Knotscott. You made a comment on 21% tax premium. Can you expound on that? I’m thinking of heading south to the Griz show room for a band saw. I spoke to the Canadian customs people and got the impression duty would be minimal. I believe the Washington sales tax is 8.2%. Any thoughts in this regard. I apologize to nwbusa for hijacking his thread.

-- Mark

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#35 posted 02-09-2013 03:29 PM

Mark – NWBUSA (the OP) said: ”Yeah, but what sucks is that if I pick up a Grizzly saw down there, I have to pay sales tax twice—9% in WA and 12% in BC. ”

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#36 posted 02-09-2013 03:54 PM

I’m always stuck with the 12%, and even with the additional 9% it’s still cheaper the a comparable green machine, and a slightly better tool.

-- Mark

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#37 posted 02-09-2013 04:01 PM

I guess Scott isn’t going to reply about his remarks to whoever.

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#38 posted 02-09-2013 05:29 PM

Last time I was in Washington they didn’t charge me sales tax since I was out of state. Make yourself familiar with the law and the forms you need to fill out.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#39 posted 02-09-2013 06:18 PM

I have not personally looked at the Laguna saw but have looked at the grizzly, General, and Unisaw.. If its a matter of money than I think getting the cheapest of the four would still be an upgrade over what you have now. My father has a 36 inch Grizzly table saw(dont remember model number) and loves it. I have used it a few times and it cuts the wood just as well as my Sawstop TS. I just went through this same thing a few years ago. I was driving myself crazy trying to get the perfect saw I guess, but in the end just tried to look at how well the machines were made. I would rather have a machine that although might not be the prettiest out there, will hold up to whatever I throw at it. Just my 2 cents.

-- Rob, Dallas TX

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#40 posted 02-09-2013 06:23 PM

Knotscott: I have looked at those other lines you mention, and am considering them, although they are not at the top of my list. The General saw for sale here is a really nice saw, but I want a left tilt saw, otherwise I’d snap that one up in a heartbeat.

Rick: tax law changed in 2011, and BC residents are no longer exempt from WA sales tax. If you know something I don’t (which is entirely possible) then please PM me!

Sawsucker: If you don’t have anything of value to add to this thread, then please don’t post. Thanks.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#41 posted 02-09-2013 07:11 PM

Ah, the 90’s were the last time I was in Washington.

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#42 posted 02-09-2013 07:32 PM

I have a Bosch contractor saw. It cuts. If I had the money and space and not move often, I would go with cast iron stuff. Yes, contractor saws do what the others do but so does a handsaw. Ripping is fine but I needed to make a crosscut sled for any hope of accurate cuts. the original miter gauge wabbles in the slot. Clint is right, it’s fine, but if I could, I would get a better more solid table saw. That said, I am really happy with the Bosch because before the Bosh, I did everything with a handsaw.
Good luck and have fun.

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#43 posted 02-09-2013 07:32 PM

Okay, I have kept trying to tell myself, “don’t feed the troll”, but this salesman line sawsucker keeps throwing at people is a large reason why he was banned from other boards, as well as the otherwise belittling of everyone who may just disagree with him.

Lets look at this picture. We have people who give advice based on their own experiences, which can or cannot be followed by the person requesting advice. Those advice providers get called childish and claimed to be salesmen. Not to also mention he has scared away new posters on other boards because they were looking for free advice from those willing to give it.

Now, lets look at who has been saying this. Someone who (and I do believe quite a bit of time and money were spent on this endeavor) developed and sold a product that is solely geared towards, get this, a contractor table saw. Sounds to me like someone is making an attempt to expand the market base of his own product to me.

Oh, and my day job is I.T., and my T.S. is an older open bottomed contractor table saw.

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#44 posted 02-09-2013 07:33 PM

As far as I can tell, the Craftex CX200 looks to be from the same stable as the G0690.

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#45 posted 02-09-2013 07:39 PM

Scott, you are correct sir, that Craftex is identical to the Grizzly and Laguna. Some factory in Asia is pumping these saws out in volume with different paint colors.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#46 posted 02-10-2013 12:32 AM

So… I bought the Laguna and it’s sitting in my garage. Guess what I’ll be doing this weekend? :)

Thanks for all of the helpful comments!

-- John, BC, Canada

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#47 posted 02-10-2013 12:36 AM

Congrats….....

No pictures, didn’t happen!

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#48 posted 02-10-2013 12:56 AM

Thanks… here she is, fresh off the boat… er, I mean, truck.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#49 posted 02-10-2013 01:02 AM

That workshop is obscene!

Make some sawdust, would ya?

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#50 posted 02-10-2013 01:06 AM

Lol I’m working on it! Have to put the saw together first! It was a heavy bitch to unload… going to have a cold beer or two right now.

-- John, BC, Canada

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