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Finally bought a bandsaw

by lumberjoe
posted 01-21-2013 04:20 PM


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#1 posted 01-21-2013 04:22 PM

there is nothing like a good bandsaw. You’ll love it.

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#2 posted 01-21-2013 04:30 PM

I’ve played around with that model in my local Sears. Seemed like a pretty nice machine. If I were in the market, that would likely be at the top of my list.
I must say that I’m surprised it can properly tension a 3/4 blade.

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#3 posted 01-21-2013 04:30 PM

I bet you enjoy your saw! It is a beauty!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#4 posted 01-21-2013 04:32 PM

Enjoy your new saw.

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#5 posted 01-21-2013 04:33 PM

Ted, it lists 3/4” as the maximum blade width, so we’ll if it can actually handle it once I toss it on. This is why I haven’t done a formal review yet

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#6 posted 01-21-2013 04:43 PM

Congrats , Joe : )

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#7 posted 01-21-2013 04:52 PM

enjoy

-- Joel

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#8 posted 01-21-2013 04:53 PM

Congrats Joe on your new saw and can’t wait for you full analysis, you get right to the point without the fluff in your reviews.

-- ~ Bob ~ Newton, N.H.

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#9 posted 01-21-2013 05:36 PM

I have that saw as well and have been really happy with it.

The only problem I had was that the black plate on the Rikon fence sticks up above the height of the table. Did you have the same problem as well?

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#10 posted 01-21-2013 05:46 PM

No, mine sits well below the table in the back. Did you put it on upside down maybe?

Edit – I think I misunderstood what you meant (black plate, not back plate). I did have that problem and you can see it in the pics. A couple washers under the rail took care of it. There is a lot of room between the fence and the table, so you can lower it a tad.

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#11 posted 01-21-2013 08:35 PM

Congratulations on your new purchase! That’s a decent band saw!

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#12 posted 01-21-2013 08:55 PM

congratulations, considering this is identical to the Rikon it should be a good performer. the only thing you’ve lost in comparison to the 325 is the resaw capacity (and added HP which is only needed for that extra resaw height) – unless you need to resaw anything that wide this one will do just as good.

As for the blade capacity rated at 3/4” – the saw itself (body construction and wheel width) can support the 3/4” blade, but the issue with 3/4” blades on 14” saws is usually the blade itself and not the saw (as long as the saw is rated to support it of course). the smaller diameter of the wheel creates more tension on the blade that has to comfort to that radius – and can cause early wear and the blade. I find 1/2” blades to be just fine as long as it’s a good blade, and you could probably use 5/8” with good results as well. have not felt the need to go 3/4” with mine yet.

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#13 posted 01-21-2013 08:59 PM

congratulations on your new purchase! that’s a scaled down version of the 22401, which is a 10-320 with features like an enclosed stand, a light and CI 14” wheels. if it’s made by whoever makes rikons, you’re going to really like it.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#14 posted 01-21-2013 09:12 PM

After doing more research I did reconsider the 3/4” blade. I found some similar information about 14” bandsaw wheels not being able to tension 3/4”+ blades well even if they have the capacity. I cancelled the timberwolf 3/4” and picked up an Olson Allpro 5/8” resaw blade on my lunch break at woodcraft today. I’m not sure how good it is, but for 15$ It’s worth a shot.

I knew I was losing height by not going with the Rikon deluxe. I don’t have a pickup truck or a wagon, so I am transportation-limited to what I can squeeze between the front seats. 8 1/2” is a pretty hard limit unless I am only getting one board (which never happens). Usually after jointing and cutting away defects on the edges, I have barely 8”.

I also question the ability of a smaller 115v motor to saw through 12” wide hardwood stock consistently for many years. Had I really needed the extra height, I would have went with something like the LT14SUV.

I’m sure there will be times I wished I had that extra few inches, but they will be few and far between. Also my lumber mill has a horizontal resaw and he only charges .15 per LF. It would take many board feet of resawing to equal the $550.00 price difference between my saw and the 10-325

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#15 posted 01-21-2013 09:20 PM

Congrats Joe. Having a bandsaw is way better than not having one :) I need to pick one up soon myself.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#16 posted 01-21-2013 09:26 PM

I think you’ll like the Olson blade, Joe. I’ve had great luck with mine so far : )

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#17 posted 01-21-2013 09:35 PM

Thanks Dusty. I’ve found some mixed reviews on it. The people that don’t like it tend to be using it on wet logs. I don’t have any logs to resaw so that is not a concern at this point. It’s WAY to cold this week to put it to use in my unheated shop, so I will have to see what mother nature has in store next week

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#18 posted 01-21-2013 09:38 PM

The only thing I really like about my basement shop is that it is heated and cooled year round : )
I haven’t tried to rip any wet logs either yet. Might be a test for the Olson in the Springtime with some Apple wood.

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#19 posted 01-21-2013 09:40 PM

Nice!

Wait to spend money on a fence. You may not ever do it.

For many years, my bandsaw fence was a straight board clamped to the table. I put it in place using a mark on my work, then fine adjusted it with mallet taps. I marked each edge of my table with a Sharpie for drift angle for future use. Resetting the angle simply meant approximating the angle create by an imaginary line through the marks and blade.

I now have a Kreg fence, with all the accessories, that was purchased for me as a thank you. While it’s a very nice fence, and I’m glad to have it, in my personal methods of work, I still don’t see much with it that makes my old board a huge downgrade.

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#20 posted 01-21-2013 10:14 PM

Good looking saw.
Good luck with it Joe.
This morning I put a 1 1/2HP 220Volts motor ( from my powermatic 8” jointer) in my HF band saw.

-- Bert

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#21 posted 01-21-2013 10:17 PM

That looks like a nice saw Joe. I hope that you enjoy it.

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#22 posted 01-21-2013 10:36 PM

Hi, Joe, I’m in the market for a bandsaw myself and I too am looking at the Craftsman. I think I know what i’m going to buy.

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#23 posted 01-21-2013 11:09 PM

Joe,
I just got a 325. There’s alot to be done with it. Especially for woodturning, there’s no substitute.
(I’m a noob here!)

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#24 posted 02-01-2013 09:18 PM

I’m glad I got it when I did. It's discontinued now. It’s a great saw so far, I guess I’m glad I won’t have to bother writing a review :)

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#25 posted 02-01-2013 10:20 PM

I noticed that as well. Too bad. I hate my Ridgid BS and was toying with the idea of selling it, and putting the proceeds toward the Craftsman. They occasionally marked it down to $350ish, and with the right coupon, could be had for $290. Hard to find a better (new) saw at anywhere close to that price.

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#26 posted 02-02-2013 01:24 AM

so shiney and new!
i picked mine up for $50. it says ‘american band saw’ but i think it’s a clone made in taiwan :) not so shiney and new.

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#27 posted 02-14-2013 12:15 PM

Joe, I am shopping a band saw also and this looks like a saw I would get. It is listed on Sears website as in stock.

I have a question on the blade. You say the 99 1/2” blade is not a standard length. You also stated that you walked in to the local Woodcraft (I assume the one that is down the street from you in W. Springfield? The same one I shop) and picked one up. Did they make one for you or did they happen to have one that size on hand?

-- Mike

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#28 posted 02-14-2013 12:41 PM

Whenever there’s mention of “drift” I see folks talking about how they adjust their fence for the drift. I was taught by an older gentleman who used a bandsaw every day for many years, that the SAW doesn’t have “drift”. He showed me how to adjust the tracking to get the blade running square to the fence.

For really accurate cuts he’s tune the blade tension by backing all of the guide blocks/bearings well away from the blade, open the throat all the way exposing as much blade as possible, tension it close to where he thought it should be and get the tracking set, then turn the saw on and watch the blade “dance”. He was watching the blade vibration. As he tightened it up the vibration would stop. It would hit a sweet spot where the blade was perfectly running with no vibration. Stop the saw, and bring the guide blocks and bearings back in. “You don’t have to do this all the time”, he said, “because you’ll learn your saw’s ways. But it’s a good way to check against the indicator on the tension spring to see if it’s right and if the spring is starting to fatigue.”

Walter didn’t have a table saw. He had a beautiful bandsaw though. He sized everything close and then used hand planes to finish sizing it. It’s the only power tool I ever saw him use. He didn’t have a jointer, planer, drill press, router. Wait… he did have a drill press in the corner. I just never saw him use it. He’d use a brace and bit or an egg beater. :) He had a GORGEOUS selection of planes that would make some guys on here need a towel. All users. No display queens. I miss Walter. RIP buddy.

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#29 posted 02-14-2013 01:03 PM

The blade length is actually 99 3/4, not 99 1/2. Woodcraft does stock a 5/8” resaw blade and a 1/4” blade in that length (the west Springfield store)

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#30 posted 02-14-2013 05:13 PM

seems like a great value. congrats on the purchase.

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#31 posted 02-14-2013 06:26 PM

Joe, found one at the Holyoke Mall, pick it up tomorrow. Really appreciate your input on this. I was prepared to purchase a much more expensive one, but this saves me some bucks to buy a nice fence and blades. Kudos!

-- Mike

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#32 posted 02-14-2013 06:31 PM

Nice! Keep checking the website. I planned on purchasing it on a Friday at 399.99. I didn’t get there until Sunday. The online price was 369.99. When I went online Monday to look up the model number, the price was 339.99!. I went back and got a refund. The entire time the in-store price was 449.99.

Also if you are at woodcraft, I think they still have a rikon fence behind all the scroll saws tossed on the bottom shelf in a plain cardboard box (near the BS blades). It was like 60 something bucks and I really like it. It bolts right up. You will need to sneak a couple fender washers between the fence and the table to shim it, but it’s pretty simple.

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#33 posted 02-15-2013 10:08 PM

Picked up the Craftsman band saw today. Purchased a fence, a mobile cart, and a couple of blades for it. All told, I spent about $720 for all of it. Took it all home and got it set up in pretty good time. I guess with moving it to the basement (with help from the wife) and setting everything up, it took about 4 hours. That includes a lunch break. Setup was pretty easy. Didn’t have any issues with the manual and instructions. Got the table set up level and straight (also pretty easy to do). Put the new 5/8” blade on and tuned the guides. That was straightforward with no issues. Once I got all of it done, I put a couple of coats of paste wax on the table. Then I fired it up and cut a couple pieces of wood. Wow, how nice it is to have a real band saw! I previously had a bench top model that worked great, but just couldn’t do everything I want. I ripped a board, crosscut a board, and resawed a three inch thick piece of maple. Worked very nicely.

Joe, thanks again for this thread. It saved me about $500 from what I was ready to spend. This is a nice saw and hopefully it will serve me for a long time.

-- Mike

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#34 posted 02-15-2013 11:36 PM

Nice! Remember to keep checking the website. I saved $70 in the course of 3 days. Did you get the Ultramag fence? I noticed the 16” one was missing when I went into woodcraft tonight. I like the Rikon fence, but it’s kind of a PITA to take the front rail off for every blade change.

The 1/4” blade that came with it wasn’t total crap. The Olson 1/4” is much nicer though. I am still really happy with this saw even though my wife uses it more than I do. I am going to pick up the 5 bearing Carter upper/lower guides and the carter small blade stablizer.

I’m glad I decided to go with this also. It’s priced really well, but I think I would probably pay $600 for it if that was the case. The next contender was the 10-325 at more than double what I paid – even when it goes on sale. I really don’t need 12” of resaw and I wouldn’t consider a saw I had to put riser blocks on.

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#35 posted 02-15-2013 11:52 PM

Joe, I will keep checking the website, especially with everyone having President’s Day sales this weekend. I did get the 16” Ultramag fence, it is pretty nice (amazing that you know their inventory so well!). I also got the HTC 2000 mobile base which was on sale for $59.99 ($14 off).

Since the 99 3/4” blade length is a non-standard size, does Woodcraft typically have that size in stock or was that an anomaly?

Can I ask why you are getting the new guides? It seems that the ones that came with this saw are pretty good. However, this is my first real band saw and I have almost no experience with others so I have no frame of reference.

-- Mike

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#36 posted 02-16-2013 01:34 AM

They actually are pretty good, but the Carter guides would be an upgrade on any saw. I REALLY want the blade stablizer for smaller blades. It’s an amazing product for cutting shapes. It’s so much easier to install/take off if you already have the carter guides on the saw.

I am in that woodcraft at least 3 times a week. There is always something I need and if I was feeling ambitious I could walk there. They always carry those 99 3/4” Olson blades. I think the 5/8” blade does an amazing job resawing. Longevity has yet to be determined though

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#37 posted 02-16-2013 06:53 AM

Is this the same fence as the link below?

http://www.amazon.com/RIKON-13-900-14-Inch-Band-Fence/dp/B002FB74V0

I’m looking for a similar one right now for my old 14” delta bandsaw. I could pick up the kreg, but it seems way overpriced and some folks say it flexes easily. Is the rikon fence sturdy, easy to move, and locks down tightly? I might buy one myself and try it out.

-- Allen, Colorado

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#38 posted 02-16-2013 09:11 AM

I saw the Carter blade stabilizer in action on a buddy’s Laguna 16” BS, using an 1/8” blade. He was cutting tight shapes from a board, and it looked like a laser made the cuts. Incredible.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#39 posted 02-17-2013 02:12 PM

That’s the one! It is sturdy, easy to move and secure – however it is not a universal fence like the Kreg. Make sure it fits your saw before getting it.

John, I saw the demo of the blade stabilizer at the woodworking show and was sold. I would not believe the cuts that were being made with a 1/4” blade. The upper/lower guides and the stabilizer are going to cost me almost as much as I paid for the bandsaw though.

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#40 posted 06-12-2014 06:26 AM

I realize this is a revival of an old thread but I’m curious what your long term opinion is. How did the 3/4” resaw blade workout?

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#41 posted 06-12-2014 12:28 PM

3/4 resaw blade didn’t work out. This saw doesn’t like to tension a 3/4” blade. I’ve switch to 1/2” woodslicers from highland woodworking. That is an amazing blade. Not your typical 1/2” blade. It performs better than my 5/8” blades.

I would buy this saw again if I was in the market for an inexpensive 14” bandsaw. It’s got some quirks, but all tools to really. It’s very easy to adjust anything on this saw.

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#42 posted 06-12-2014 03:31 PM

Excellent, thats what I was looking for. Thanks for the reply!

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#43 posted 06-12-2014 04:52 PM

Thanks for the follow up.

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#44 posted 06-13-2014 02:18 AM

What type of tension (in pounds) can one expect out of a 14” saw such as this? Did the 3/4” blade fail the “flutter test”?

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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#45 posted 06-13-2014 02:27 AM

I’m not sure, but I needed mechanical advantage on the tension knob to get the flutter out. It flexed the neck. My guide bearings needed to be adjusted with height changes.

A low tension blade like the timberwolf may be better.

Honestly the 1/2 woodslicer is so effective I wouldn’t even want a wider blade. I cut veneers is 7” wide exotics with no problems

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#46 posted 06-16-2014 11:22 PM

Another question Joe. How many degrees of table tilt do you get to the left? I ask because Rikon’s 10-321 spec sheet says 10 and Craftsman’s BAS350 says 5.

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#47 posted 06-17-2014 01:02 AM

You will have fun with that thing. 1/2 blade should work fine for resaw work in nearly any case.

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#48 posted 06-17-2014 01:02 AM

uglyduck, I have the Craftsman BAS350 and it only tilts 0 deg to 45 deg in one direction. I don’t know why the specs says 5 deg for the other direction. I think the Rikon 10-321 only tilts 0 to 45 deg in one direction. I believe the spec are wrong. If you look at the owner manual you’ll see the degree gauge only goes 0 to 45 in one direction.

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#49 posted 06-17-2014 04:19 AM

Thanks whyme. I peeked at the manual earlier and that was another reason why I asked, each source was a bit different so I figured it best to ask some end users.

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