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#1 posted 01-06-2013 10:35 PM

I am a firm believer that blacks are better athletes than whites and for that matter any other race.

Apart from swimming.

Black people suck at swimming.

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#2 posted 01-06-2013 10:40 PM

Renners, reread my post. If they focus on it they dominate it. Swimming and soccer are for white kids.

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#3 posted 01-06-2013 10:41 PM

DKV, I think pushing buttons is generally a good thing, and I enjoy your button pushing for the most part. But, this particular pushed button is one that can lead to no good, has no intellectual value whatsoever, and draws on a level of ignorance that is decidedly harmful.

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#4 posted 01-06-2013 10:47 PM

Toidiem, since when is the truth wrong? No intellectual value? This subject has been approached by people smarter than us a number of times. Approached from the viewpoint of “why is this”. Approached by the likes of the NY Times and Tom Brokaw. What level of ignorance are you speaking of? The level that refuses to see the truth that is right in front of us and for what ever reason cannot be spoken about? What is it exactly that you are afraid to discuss? What part of this discussion will come to no good?

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#5 posted 01-06-2013 11:04 PM

Truth is based upon demonstrable evidence and there is none underlying your query – zero, nada, zilch. This subject is old, tired, worn out and discredited. It masquerades as genuine inquiry but always exposes its racist origins. There’s no fear of discussion when the premises are genuine. These type of “discussions” hide behind their disingenuous claims of seeking truth when, in fact, truth is the farthest thing from the initiators intentions. That is the essence of ignorance.

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#6 posted 01-06-2013 11:05 PM

Look at Kenyan long distance runners. Totally dominate the sport. One theory being that Kenyans from the Great Rift Valley at an altitude of 7,000 ft have an advantage when it comes to breathing.
I share Toldiem’s concerns that this subject might be too much for some people. But you can’t escape the facts. Black athletes seem to have an advantage. It makes sense that the advantage comes from their genes. To say so is not a racial slur.

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#7 posted 01-06-2013 11:06 PM

DKV has an opinion,... what a concept. Not exactly something to worry about @toidiem, that IS IMO.

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#8 posted 01-06-2013 11:15 PM

Toidiem, I truly believe I do not have a racial bone in my body. How does the truth escape you? I am white and the fact that blacks dominate sports does not bother me. However, I do wonder why they dominate. What makes them different? Why do they run faster? Why do they score the majority of the touchdowns and baskets? Why is everyone so afraid to discuss this?

Mike, I repeat, please stop following me. Unless of course you get joy from it. To each their own…

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#9 posted 01-06-2013 11:20 PM

Guns: Whites are much better with guns than anybody else. They can shoot just one or 26 at any one time. The other races are just good a random drive by shootings.

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#10 posted 01-06-2013 11:25 PM

DKV, let’s turn the questions around to see just how stupid they are. Why are CEOs predominately white? Is there a CEO gene? Are whites more genetically predisposed to be successful in business? Why is the vast majority of wealth around the globe concentrated in the hands of whites and white-males in particular? Perhaps there’s a wealth gene that predisposes whites males to seek wealth?

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#11 posted 01-06-2013 11:30 PM

Toidiem, let’s assume for a minute that all your fears concerning my motives are wrong. I think we all know black athletes are better than white athletes when it comes to football and basketball. Let’s discuss strictly from that viewpoint. Have you never been curious as to why they are better? I say it’s genetics. They are built differently than whites and I think they have an advantage when it comes to football and basketball. Please tell me you’ve wondered about this? Natural curiosity would cause most people to wonder? Agree?

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#12 posted 01-06-2013 11:37 PM

Toidiem, remembering I am not a racist person I also have my thoughts concerning your CEO question. No, I do not believe there is a CEO gene as such. What I do believe is that some of the smartest people in the world come from a Jewish background. Most of the media and banking systems in the world are controlled by Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews. I believe they are smarter (higher IQs) and have an advantage when it comes to business.

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#13 posted 01-06-2013 11:38 PM

3 contractors die on the same day and go to heaven. One is Irish, the next is italian, the last is Jewish. When they arrive at St. Peters gate, St Peter looks at them and asks them to give a price on renovating the gate.

He asks the first contractor how much and after 3 hours the Irish contractor replies “ 2 towsand dollaah” and St Pete asks why so much and the contractor says, “Well, it gonna cos 1 towsand in matewial and 1 towsand fo labo

St Pete asks the Italian and he returns and hour later with “A fo towsan dollaa” and St Pete asks “Why so much? “ and the Italian says “Well a 2 towsand dolla fo me, and a 2 towasnd dolla fo mateleials”

He then asks the Jew and the Jew looks him straight in the eye and says “ 6 Grand “ and St Pete says “You didnt even look at it, how come so much and the Jew says “Easy, 2K for you, 2K for me, and we get the first guy to do it”

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#14 posted 01-06-2013 11:39 PM

Steve Nash………

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#15 posted 01-06-2013 11:41 PM

DKV, I love ya dude, but you’re masquerading. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it, But you’ll continue trying to convince everyone that your “curiosity” is genuine while we all know you’re full of shit. That’s your charm, and it’s actually fun to play along with you… most of the time.

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#16 posted 01-06-2013 11:44 PM

I have a question about cutting half-blind dovetails. Can someone recommend a biology or genetics internet forum where I might post this question?

Thanks.

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#17 posted 01-06-2013 11:48 PM

Moron, Larry Bird…Steve and Larry are examples of exceptions. Nature is full of them.
Toidiem, I’m truly sorry that because I care to speak from the heart on occasion I am not believed because I sometimes like to fuck with people. I truly, from the bottom of my heart know that blacks are superior athletes and Jews with the Ashkenazi gene are generally speaking smarter than the rest of the population. Look around…

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#18 posted 01-06-2013 11:52 PM

Toidiem, one more thing. Except when conversing with HMike I seldom get mushy like this and speak from the heart. You’re lucky, and yes I like your opinions also. They just don’t have to be mine. HMike can’t seem to understand that concept.

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#19 posted 01-07-2013 12:00 AM

Believing from the bottom of your heart doesn’t really cut it. History is full of very smart people who truly believed in something but were truly wrong.

OK, so I’ll grant you for the sake of argument a genuine curiosity in this regard. Why does your curiosity focus on Blacks and other ethnic groups? Why not focus on behaviour and the biological basis for it more generally? Why are you so convinced that biology is the deciding factor? Why isn’t your focus on socioeconomic or cultural conditions as a more plausible basis for such purported differences?

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#20 posted 01-07-2013 12:01 AM

What about gardening ?……….is it a sport ?

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#21 posted 01-07-2013 12:19 AM

ChuckV, I am sure that any forum you visit (no matter the subject matter) if they have a nonshop section then you can post whatever you like. I’m pretty certain the biology or genetics forum would be interested in your half blind dovetails. Whether or not you get feedback is another matter.

Toidiem, my curiosity, as stated in the op, started because I love sports and happened to be sitting there watching on my big screen tv. I would like to focus on the biological basis. That still doesn’t remove the fact that the best players are black. There’s nothing I can do about the color. And, I’ve already stated (as has renners) that I think the reason is genetic. There is something different about black players (speaking only about football and basketball) that allows them to be so good. I don’t know what that is. That is what I would like to discuss. I do not believe that any amount of socio-economic condition answers the question. You would have to explain your thoughts further.

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#22 posted 01-07-2013 12:20 AM

Moron, has the Olympics sanctioned gardening?

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#23 posted 01-07-2013 12:42 AM

right after they sanctioned golf and whirly bird twisty string things and lawn bowling.

what about figure skating ?………

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#24 posted 01-07-2013 12:44 AM

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#25 posted 01-07-2013 12:45 AM

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#26 posted 01-07-2013 12:46 AM

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#27 posted 01-07-2013 01:18 AM

“because I sometimes like to fuck with people”

Sometimes??? LOL! That’s some funny shit right there…I don’t care who ya are!

Hmmm…so I guess this explains why Canadians dominate the NHL! It’s GENETIC! After all…You play Hockey on Ice…and for the last ten thousand years we’ve lived in ice caves and igloo’s. Been clubbing baby seals for just as long as well….can’t think of a better way to perfect the slap shot!
Yep…that ‘splains it.

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#28 posted 01-07-2013 01:29 AM

Tonys, I was focusing on football and basketball. The only explanation I have for the white sport of hockey is that blacks haven’t been interested or focused on it. Should that ever happen you Canucks will be out of work.

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#29 posted 01-07-2013 01:33 AM

Racism. Unless you have scientific evidence…it’s racism. Makes you no better than Hitler…the only difference is that he killed people while you just like to “eff” with them.

Your bit is getting tiresome.

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#30 posted 01-07-2013 01:50 AM

Dragons, point me to what he said so I know what you’re talking about. It’s been awhile…1980’s maybe?

Cosmicsniper, what is it exactly that makes anything I wrote racist? Because I used the word black? Because I said they were superior athletes? I’m not following your nonsensical accusation that I’m racist. I don’t need scientific evidence to show that blacks are superior to whites when it comes to football and basketball. Just watch tv. If you’re referring to my belief that Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs and have advantages in science and business that has already been documented and proven. Can you not follow what I am trying to say? Where am I being racist? Point out the sentences I wrote that prove that. Help me with your thought process.

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#31 posted 01-07-2013 02:03 AM

Cosmicsniper, still waiting on your answer. While you’re getting your thoughts together I thought I’d add this…

Over the last few years, athletes of Afro- Caribbean and Afro-American descent have dominated athletics finals,” Johnson told Sally Beck of the Daily Mail in London. “It’s a fact that hasn’t been discussed openly before. It’s a taboo subject in the States but it is what it is. Why shouldn’t we discuss it?”

This is a quote from Michael Johnson who won five Olympic gold medals. He also believes in the “athletic gene”. Is he racist? Please Cosmicsniper answer the question posed you. Why am I racist and is Johnson racist for saying the same thing. Why is it taboo in the US? Do I have to be black, as is Johnson, to discuss the topic? What exactly is it that you are trying to say?

I’m going to put this in a separate paragraph to make sure you read it Cosmicsniper. Does your lack of response mean you don’t know what you’re talking about? If you don’t know what you’re talking about I guess you could start calling me vulgar names.

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#32 posted 01-07-2013 02:07 AM

Race has very little to do with the apparent black superiority in sports! If you go back 50 years and you will find few blacks in any of the professional sports. It has more to do with education!

It took education of mainstream Americans to accept blacks as athletes and/or managers of teams and now the black athlete is taking advantage of that fact from the high school through college and to the professional level.

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#33 posted 01-07-2013 02:13 AM

watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HNHUJgiaBNs

I think he makes a valid point

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whats the difference between jelly and jam

seriously

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or maybe I am fond of Pandas

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#34 posted 01-07-2013 02:15 AM

”...DKV, I love ya dude, but you’re masquerading. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it, But you’ll continue trying to convince everyone that your “curiosity” is genuine while we all know you’re full of shit….”

Now THAT was spoken from the heart!

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#35 posted 01-07-2013 02:18 AM

shooting is a sport … right?

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#36 posted 01-07-2013 02:23 AM

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#37 posted 01-07-2013 02:32 AM

You are racist because you are making a judgment regarding race based upon your perception of things. Nothing else. Your eyes alone are not qualified enough to be an authority on racial differences. It’s your opinion…and as long as it’s an opinion arising from your worldview, then that makes you a racist. And even if your opinion is reinforced by the opinions of others, even an extraordinary athlete like my fellow Texan Michael Johnson, then it still makes you a racist.

And the word “athlete” is the key here…that’s the offensive word because it’s so all-encompassing. Had you said “blacks are faster,” that would have more credibility in my eyes, but even so it’s still your opinion and therefore a racist statement. People who make racist statements are, by definition, a racist.

Jimmy the Greek has already been mentioned, but how about Al Campanis getting fired in the late 80s for saying what he said regarding blacks’ qualifications for management in MLB? How about Ben Wright getting fired from CBS golf coverage by saying that women aren’t as good at golf because their boobs interfere with their swing?

I don’t care how justified you think you are, it remains your opinion, in a subject which is highly offensive. I find it amusing how you feel free to offend anybody you choose, but the moment somebody offends YOU, you act like a big sissy and start lashing out.

And for every great black athlete you name I can name an athlete of another race who is just is great…from Jim Thorpe to Larry Bird to Dirk Nowitski to Steve Nash to John Stockton to Jim Brady to the Manning brothers to Steve Prefontaine to Josh Hamilton. Your “eyes” do not produce facts…and facts, through actual science, are the only way you can leave your status as RACIST.

I bet you sucked at science growing up.

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#38 posted 01-07-2013 02:37 AM

I shall render a guess to my answer whether people agree or not.

Like soccer, more commonly called football, which is much like basketball and volleyball where the cost of owning, ( or the re-vented and blatant theft of word “football” ) , renting, stealing, borrowing,the equipment, government born privileges needed to play and the land to which it is played upon, costs near zero and thusly due to extenuating socio/economic factors remains within reach of the poorest and the majority of earths populous and therefor gives rise to to the opportunity to excel at ones own genetics that otherwise would less likely exist thus the constant perpetuity of history repeating itself.

I am inclined to think that the only thing that separates thinking, is experience and that in itself is manifested into egos that are blinded by eco social economic circumstances.

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#39 posted 01-07-2013 02:52 AM

Cosmicsniper, let me say and prove my point very simply for you.

1. Black athletes in basketball are superior to white athletes in basketball. Count the numbers of each in the NBA.

2. Black athletes in football are superior to white athletes in football. Count the numbers of each in the NFL.

3. The top scorers in the NBA and NFL are black, unless you include field goals and extra points.

4. That is all I stated.

5. Then I asked why is that?

6. If the above makes me a racist in the eyes of some then I guess I’m racist.

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#40 posted 01-07-2013 03:09 AM

you asked such a simple question that provoked accolades of self professed ignorance that despite this you raised a sense of self awareness that it once again brought out the cruelty in poor judgement calls decorated in candy coated rebuttals of uniforms long since dead………….

At best, life is hard yet very entertaining.


choices vs experience

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#41 posted 01-07-2013 03:16 AM

BTW, a few more things…

- If Michael Johnson said that, he too is racist. That doesn’t surprise me. Anybody can make racist statements.

- Two of the hardest things to do in sports, arguably, is to play quarterback in the NFL and to hit a baseball in MLB. Now, the latter could be explained by “opportunity,” but certainly not the former. So if your “eyes” are enough authority to say that “blacks are better athletes” then I’d be right in responding with my opinion that whites dominate in the most “alhletic” of tasks. But I would NEVER attempt to say that, because I know, that there are a million factors to explain it all, most of which you’d rather ignore just because you’ve watched a bunch of guys on TV and you think that’s good enough.

- The definition of racist is “a person with prejudiced beliefs that one race is better than another.” You are judging, in advance of any situation or context, that people with black skin will be genetically given to athletic superiority. Hitler judged, in advance of any situation or context, that his own race was genetically given to human superiority. I see little difference between the two fundamentally, except that you lack the position of power and certain amount of evil to carry out an agenda.

- I have listened to my father, to this day, talk about how much better white offensive linemen are in football than black men because, as he says, “whites are just smarter.” My father coached varsity high school football for 30 years. He knows the game. His opinion comes from a better background than yours, speaking out of more experience and authority than you. That changes nothing. My father too is a racist.

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#42 posted 01-07-2013 03:22 AM

I consider myself an observer of life who in some instances considers the races and makes observations based on what is seen. Racist is so harsh.

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#43 posted 01-07-2013 03:22 AM

stick to the facts

opinions and baseless finger pointing is conjecture

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#44 posted 01-07-2013 03:24 AM

DKV said…

“1. Black athletes in basketball are superior to white athletes in basketball. Count the numbers of each in the NBA.

2. Black athletes in football are superior to white athletes in football. Count the numbers of each in the NFL.

3. The top scorers in the NBA and NFL are black, unless you include field goals and extra points.

4. That is all I stated.”
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That is most certainly NOT all you stated. Had you ONLY stated those items (which are arguable in themselves), then we wouldn’t have a problem. But in your very first post, you said this…

“I am a firm believer that blacks are better athletes than whites and for that matter any other race.”

This makes you racist. You took a few data points and then used them to produce the conclusion that blacks are superior athletes.

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#45 posted 01-07-2013 03:30 AM

“Racist” is a definition. Its harshness is determined by whether or not it produces conviction.

If you can conclude based upon facts that black people are superior athletes, given some scientifically accepted standards for athleticism (which is futile in itself), then I will retract my “harsh” statement. Until then, being an “observer of life,” as you call it, is hardly enough authority to justify anything.

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#46 posted 01-07-2013 03:32 AM

Here’s a good joke…

white guy 1: Hey you know that one black guy who works with us?
white guy 2: Uuuuuuh, black. Sir, that’s rude. Plus, I don’t see color.
white guy 1: It’s okay, really, I’m black.
white guy 2: You’re not black.
white guy 1: ........

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#47 posted 01-07-2013 03:34 AM

Science is based on observation.

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#48 posted 01-07-2013 03:56 AM

Science is based on the “retention” of information gained “observation” through 5 proven senses, touch, smell, hear, listen and watch, by statistical analysis of factual information which indeed escapes the educated mind who cant read a tape measure at best, who drew the picture and cant find the wall they drew ?

DKV.

It has ZERO to do with race.

Everything to do with genetics and opportunity. Skin colour doesnt come into play….EVER

Period

In the event it does, it is mitigated by experience

Thats a “fact” Jack

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#49 posted 01-07-2013 03:58 AM

BTW, since you obviously like to engage in such things, your above 3 points regarding the NBA and the NFL could be partially explained by sample size. Since it could be shown that low socio-economic groups are heavily comprised of minority people groups, a correlation might also be established regarding the types of sporting activities that most such communities are engaged in.

Football can be played with an old shoe (until Pop Warner league)...and everybody can play hoops in these communities. In fact, as a baseball fan, one of the laments of many is that sports like baseball (among others) are not played by people in these areas due to the prohibitive costs. This could explain why black athletes are the minority in MLB. Golf? Of course; same reason.

So when you have a large sampling of the best athletes of a given race growing up to play mostly football and basketball…I think that has a lot to do with what you perceive in your observations. It becomes a matter of sheer numbers. It’s interesting that guys like RGIII and Cam Newton are breaking through at the quarterback position (though it remains to be seen if they are better than Cunningham, McNair, and McNabb who preceded them).

Even so, again, why would the quarterback position be so overwhelmingly dominated by white athletes traditionally in a sport where blacks have, according to many (yourself included), taken over dominant roles at the other positions? Again, I’m not one to suggest that it makes whites better athletes overall than blacks…but I am one to say that it’s a major data point that should probably be answered BEFORE you make the statement that blacks are better at football than whites.

Don’t you think?

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#50 posted 01-07-2013 04:00 AM

Science is observation that is repeatable, verifiable, and predictable, the conditions of which are carefully controlled to assure no bias. Your observations, as well as mine, have bias.

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