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Which of these would be better for end grain?

by Purrmaster
posted 601 days ago


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Handtooler

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#1 posted 601 days ago

I’m glad you ask. I want to add one to my wish list. I’ve tried my two Cratsman standard block planes similar to the Stanley 60 1/2 and 18, one with and one without an adjustable mouth. Although they both work edge and flat grain well end grain presents somewhat of a problen particularly with Pecan and Cypress.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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Purrmaster

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#2 posted 601 days ago

I know what you mean. No matter how sharp I get the blade on the Stanley it just doesn’t doesn’t do end grain. The Stanley block plane isn’t bad but it’s been kind of a disappointment.

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NiteWalker

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#3 posted 601 days ago

Go for the veritas, it’s a dream to use.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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sikrap

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#4 posted 601 days ago

If I was going to buy one of those, I would opt for the Lee Valley. A low angle plane is always going to work better on end grain.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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ksSlim

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#5 posted 601 days ago

Low angle, super sharp and very light cut.
Result should be almost shiny end grain.

-- Sawdust and shavings are therapeutic

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Kreegan

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#6 posted 601 days ago

I have the Lie-Nielsen low angle adjustable mouth block plane. It works great on end grain. It is a bit pricey though. If I had it to do over again, I’d prolly go with the Veritas, largely because you can buy those optional grips for it and use it like a low angle #3.

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Purrmaster

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#7 posted 601 days ago

You mean use it like a smoothing plane?

The Lie Nielsen I was looking at is also low angle. But it doesn’t have the adjustable mouth. Which may or may not matter. I don’t have enough plane experience to know.

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waho6o9

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#8 posted 601 days ago

I appreciate the fine machinery of my Veritas low angle block plane,

shaves as good as anything on the market me thinks.

Yeah buddy

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Francisco Luna

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#9 posted 600 days ago

Block planes were not designed for end grain work BUT detailing work. There is a misconception. IF for some reason I’m in the field and the only tool I have at hand is a block pane, well, I’ll try it for endgrain work. But that is not the task the tool was designed for.

Much more mass is required and the help of devices like the “shooting Board”. The Mitre plane is the right tool for that task, history can’t be wrong!

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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Tim Dahn

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#10 posted 600 days ago

I own the Veritas low angle block, also just added the knob and tote and yes it works like a #3 smoothing plane. I would purchase this again.

-- Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement.

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Purrmaster

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#11 posted 600 days ago

A miter plane is what you want to use for end grain then? I had always been under the impression that’s what block planes were for.

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TechRedneck

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#12 posted 600 days ago

I have the Veritas LA block. It works fine on end grain when used with a shooting board.

A shooting board will keep the edge from blowing out. Keep the blade sharp.

The optional tote and knob are on my list.

-- Mike.... West Virginia. "Man is a tool using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.". T Carlyle

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Tim Dahn

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#13 posted 600 days ago

If you will be using shooting boards then a low angle jack plane is an good choice for larger/wider boards or hard woods.

I have also seen the low angle block plane used although I haven’t tried this. It would probably work well on thinner stock. I found this at http://www.galoototron.com/tag/shooting-board/

-- Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement.

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Loren

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#14 posted 600 days ago

Try working end grain with a standard bench plane with a finely
set, very sharp iron and a fine mouth. The mass of a
heavy plane body helps avoid chatter while also helping
the finely protruding iron to stay in he cut. Success
with planing end grain is not only a matter of bed angles.

With a shooting board as shown above, the low angle
jack plane has a friendlier design when holding it by
the sides because the high frog of a standard plane
is not in the way… and also the balance is nicer
that way with the weight of the iron and lever
cap concentrated so close to the sole.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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DKV

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#15 posted 600 days ago

Tim and Loren have the right idea. Weight, sharpness and shooting board. No better way to do end grain.

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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langski93

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#16 posted 592 days ago

Today, I did final smoothing on the 4 ends of two pieces of 3 1/2” x 2 1/2” cherry end grain, using the L-N Bevel Up Smoother, which is a large format block plane. It worked awesome making the end grain pop. It was too big for a shooting board. The cherry will be exposed on each end of a kitchen island. I usually work on much smaller pieces with a L-N low angle block plane with adjustable mouth. It also works great on end grain. For my shooting board, I use a 5 1/2 bevel down because of its heavy mass makes for easier push. I have to try the bevel up when I get a chance.

-- Langski, New Hampshire

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jusfine

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#17 posted 592 days ago

Fine Woodworking did a review on block planes recently and Veritas was rated higher than the LN, but maybe that was only the skew block.

I have them both, and end up using the Veritas more often. Can’t go wrong.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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DKV

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#18 posted 592 days ago

Langski, I use my Veritas bevel up smoother, comparable in size to your LN, all the time on my shooting board. I like having some weight. I also use small block planes but prefer the bigger plane…Just sayin’

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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langski93

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#19 posted 591 days ago

DKV, as soon as I get the kitchen island moved out of my shop I am going to start a new project and try out the bevel up on the shooting board. I would have used it on my cherry above, but I think the pieces were too big for the shooting board. It is the type that slope, so I put the cherry in my face vise.

-- Langski, New Hampshire

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Purrmaster

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#20 posted 591 days ago

I’ve got the Vertias low angle jack. I tried that on the end grain and the results weren’t very good. It sounds like I may be using it wrong though. Thank you for the suggestions. I may not have to buy another block plane after all.

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Francisco Luna

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#21 posted 591 days ago

Purrmaster, thats the right plane!.....I suggest to watch videaos about that particular task, with the shoting board there is no way to go wrong!

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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DKV

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#22 posted 591 days ago

Shooting boards and end grain (at least from my limited experience) are all about sharp blades. If you can’t easily shave the hair off your arm you aren’t ready for end grain. Just sayin’...

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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