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Finishing Cherry

by RussellAP
posted 12-22-2012 03:41 AM


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BentheViking

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#1 posted 12-22-2012 04:02 AM

what percentage is off colored? can you use it on the backside or bottom of the chest? I’d recommend doing what you can do to utilize what you’ve got. If there is no way then I’d stain it, but then the questions is how dark

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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#2 posted 12-22-2012 04:05 AM

I think I need to get it in some good light and wipe some denatured alcohol on it and see if I need to do anything first. I don’t like staining, this wood is beautiful the way it is and after some poly and 1200grit I think it will look outstanding.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#3 posted 12-22-2012 04:21 AM

No stain, the color will even out over time.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#4 posted 12-22-2012 04:30 AM

Russ
You can either use only the wood that matches or use some dye stain on it to blend it together after a couple coats of Charles Blotch control. I’ve never heard of anyone using 1200 grit on wood other than to buff out the clear top coat for a high gloss clear.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#5 posted 12-22-2012 12:54 PM

Use the contrast in the design. I love the contrasting woods in a project. It adds character and focal points of the design.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#6 posted 12-22-2012 12:59 PM

I would probably leave it as well.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#7 posted 12-22-2012 02:29 PM

my .02 is what I do on all cherry, I do not like the mismatched colors unless i intend it to be so. To me it just looks what it is, mismatched, and I have tried to let it age, and sorry to disagree, if its lighter now it will always be lighter. However often it can be a simple case of one piece being planed a little more than the other. Cherry darkens as it ages, even if unplaned, and depending on how deep you go when planing, or how long the material has been sawn, can also make a difference. Meaning a piece of cherry that has been sawn for 2 years , VS one sawn 1 year , you can get a varience in color. The other issue is where it came from, meaning, trees like anything else can vary depending on the soil it grew in. The thing that determins the color is the amount of tannins . All of this said, I just cant afford to risk it, so dye all my cherry , and most of my cherry is ” Natural” cherry, so I select the closest color match i can get, , then I dye it to a color that matches approx 3 year old cherry, and let mother nature take it from there. Has been my MO for many many years.

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tyskkvinna

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#8 posted 12-22-2012 03:26 PM

I would also leave it… and if you are giving it to somebody, explain that over time the whole piece will darken rather significantly. IMO that’s the best part of cherry.

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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RussellAP

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#9 posted 12-22-2012 03:55 PM

Charles, this had been sitting for over three years. I got it from a guy that does flooring from scratch, mostly white oak. He had bought the cherry for a special order that never happened. The boards had green and blue ends which means it’s already planed and jointed on all sides. I did sand if from 40g to 240g to remove some of that patina and some scratches and gouges. It didn’t need to be planed.
I’ll grab a couple boards and see if I can match them with some dye.
How many coats of conditioner should I use, I was thinking two?

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#10 posted 12-22-2012 05:06 PM

Someone came into my store last week with stained cherry cabinet samples. The raw material was really far off in color and when they added stain to it it almost looked like ipe with the hard contrast of the light and dark. terrible and distracting. That being said I to enjoy color variation when it is done right and done intentionally.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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#11 posted 12-22-2012 05:18 PM

Russell , do 2 prestain , I use 1 part General Finishes cinnamon dye , to 1 part light brown (GF) and 1 part water , season to taste, meaning add more cinnamon for more red, and brown, for brown,
I have a nice 3 board cherry table I made about 5 years ago,(no dye) I added a 1/2 part more of the cinnamon, and it matches perfectly, and the color is even. As the cherry ages it will mellow and take over past the dye, that said, the natural look is not lost, its just evened out. My clients dont seem to like mismatched pieces. Additionally if they buy other pieces, using this formula, they match, I like that and so do they. the above formula is for a natural cherry color *

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#12 posted 12-22-2012 05:47 PM

Wow Russ where else can you go to get finishing advise from a expert at no charge.Charles has a new finishing book coming out,I know it will be a great investment for all woodworkers and even more so for those who are devolping a woodworking business.

Thanks Charles I was looking for that formula this morning .

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#13 posted 12-22-2012 08:22 PM

thanks Charles. I have it saved for when I get to that point. I have more time than I figured because my son won’t be making it over for Christmas and it’s his present.
This means I can relax and take my time.

I just wish there was a place to get General Finishes around here close by.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#14 posted 12-22-2012 08:30 PM

I think it would be best to leave it alone.

A lot of great friendly advice to absorb as well.

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#15 posted 12-22-2012 09:09 PM

Whatever floats your boat folks, whatever floats your boat!

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#16 posted 12-22-2012 09:13 PM

Charles. I’m going to order those from Woodcraft, the dye’s. I’m also looking for a cool blue dye for some turning projects I want to practice with. It will give me an excuse to buy something. lol.

I’ll post some pictures of the chest later and you might be better able to see the difference. It’s not all that much, but I’m anxious to try and even it out.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#17 posted 12-23-2012 01:59 AM

Three sides below. I am thinking it may not need anything now that I pay attention to it. I may have been thinking of it before sanding when the color difference was bigger.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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tyskkvinna

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#18 posted 12-23-2012 02:41 AM

I think the colours look wonderful as they are… After you put any kind of finish on it, I bet it will pop really nicely. :)

-- Lis - Michigan - http://www.missmooseart.com - https://www.etsy.com/people/lisbokt

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#19 posted 12-23-2012 03:28 AM

Maybe practice on some scraps and show the class.

This way you can use they different dyes, wood conditioner,
poly, or natural Danish oil and find out which one
you like.

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#20 posted 12-23-2012 03:41 AM

Waho6o9, I’ve already been that route and have come to the conclusion that I like the natural look of wood better than a stain for pieces like this. I’d only consider using it here if the wood didn’t match. I think I’ll poly this with some Arm R Seal and sand it out to 1200 and coat it again. I may oil it first to bring out the depth in the wood.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#21 posted 12-23-2012 04:07 AM

I built a entertainment center out of cherry and I had the same issue – some of the cherry was lighter than the others and they weren’t sapwood. I had always read that cherry will darken over time so I just oiled it up with boiled linseed oil and finished it. That was 2 years ago. Today, you can’t tell the difference. Over time, all the wood eventually reached the same color. I would be afraid that if you colored or stained the lighter areas, those would eventually be darker than the others. So either stain the whole piece or don’t is my advice.

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#22 posted 12-23-2012 04:20 AM

I’d oil it as well.

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#23 posted 12-23-2012 04:45 AM

I recently finished a project using cherry. Mine matched pretty well, but I did not want to use my usual lacquer on this one, I dont remember why. Anyhoo, I sprayed it with amber shellac….WOW, it turned out soo nice. Get a piece of your scrap and try a little amber shellac and see what I mean.

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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#24 posted 12-23-2012 04:45 AM

I recently finished a project using cherry. Mine matched pretty well, but I did not want to use my usual lacquer on this one, I dont remember why. Anyhoo, I sprayed it with amber shellac….WOW, it turned out soo nice. Get a piece of your scrap and try a little amber shellac and see what I mean.

-- Made in America, with American made tools....Shopsmith

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