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Anybody added a laser engraver?

by Mark Smith
posted 11-03-2012 04:48 PM


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#1 posted 11-03-2012 04:57 PM

Do to an unfortunate thing that has happened I have been forced to retire at 62. However, I will still need to supplement my retirement income and hopefully do it with my woodworking. I’m fairly certain that I’m going to get both a laser engraver and a 3×4 ft CNC router.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#2 posted 11-03-2012 05:25 PM

You sound like me Charles. I think if you really want to sell customized items like plaques and signs and things of that nature I think you really need to have both. Just for info, I don’t know how difficult the smaller CNC’s are to use, but my legacy has a pretty steep learning curve, mostly in the computer department. I have lots of computer experience dating back to the original personal computers that became available for pubic use, but I have struggled with the computer programs involved. The salesman will tell you it’s all easy and you don’t need any computer skills and they can teach you everything, but I wouldn’t agree. There are just so many little quirks and things you have to know.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#3 posted 11-03-2012 07:14 PM

I’ve had a ULS 25 Watt (Universal Laser Systems) laser engraver for 8 years or so and it’s the best thing I ever bought. Granted, it’ll only cut material up to about one quarter inch, but it works like a champ. Hooking it up to the computer is exactly like installing a printer. Controlling the depth of cut and/or engraving couldn’t be simpler. I did find, however, that without a lot of marketing and self promotion, there wasn’t much call for the machine. Everybody wants what it produces but nobody wants to pay anything for it. Typical, huh? After you invest $15,000 to $20,000 you end up with a great toy but not a money-maker. With Universal Laser Systems (the only one I’ve had experience with admittedly) the customer service and “training” was outstanding. Have a problem? Call ‘em up and they’ll fix it over the phone, toll free and no charge. What could be simpler? Just think twice before investing all that money in something that may not pay off in the end. Twenty grand IS a lotta money!

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#4 posted 11-03-2012 07:39 PM

Mike, the one I was looking at is about four grand, I wasn’t even considering the twenty grand machines. I want the focus of my business to be the woodworking and just have the ability to do the laser work too. You can go on Amazon and find some off brand machine for $1500. Everything I’ve read about that machine is it basically doesn’t work like most people want it to.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#5 posted 11-03-2012 08:11 PM

I have both a CNC and a laser. I have created products by cutting them out with the CNC and adding embellishments and personalization with the laser. It has helped me with the field of woodworking that I am in by being able to offer more products for my customers which has resulted in more sales.

-- Jim Beachler, Chief Puzzler, http://www.hollowwoodworks.com

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#6 posted 11-15-2012 04:12 PM

I went and looked at both the Epilog and the Hurricane lasers. There is an Epilog dealer close to me and I just had to go to Vegas to see the Hurricane. Yeah, it was a rough weekend in Vegas, but somebody had to do it. I wonder if I can write off my gambling losses as a business expense since I was there to look at business equipment? :)

Anyway, the Epilog appears to be the Cadillac of the smaller laser market. The problem being their prices are about three times higher than then the Hurricane lasers. The Epilog is made in Utah while the Hurricane is made in China. I’d love to buy American, but it’s $15,000 versus $5,000 for similar machines. If I was going into the Laser engraving only business I’d probably shell out the extra money and go with the Epilog. But since this is just an add on to my woodworking business I’m thinking I need to go with the Hurricane.

The problem with China made lasers appears to be with service and support. The Hurricane company in Vegas is importing the lasers to their Vegas location, making some modifications to them and then shipping them out. Other companies selling China made lasers are simply having them shipped directly from China to the end user and are never even seeing the machines. Hurricane appears to be getting good ratings for their customer support. You can actually import the same laser from China yourself and save a little money, but then you have no customer support at all. If your laser shows up damaged in shipping then you’re stuck trying to work with somebody in China to send it back and get a replacement. The people at Hurricane have actually gone to China and they work directly with people at the manufacturer. I can’t even imagine me trying to deal with somebody in China to get some problem worked out. I’m willing to pay Hurricane some extra money to provide that service.

I have a few more I’d like to look at, but if I do end up getting one so far the Hurricane is the one I’m going with.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#7 posted 11-16-2012 12:03 AM

Mark, Just read your latest post and you’re right, there’s a REALLY big difference between $5,000 and $15,000, that said, what’s the price difference if the “Hurricane” goes down (and believe me, they all will sooner or later) and there little or no support. I’m sorry, but I just don’t trust the Chinese building/electronic skills when it comes to something that precise. A hammer at Harbor Freight I’ll but any day, but . . . .

Have you tried Universal Laser in Arizona? That’s what I had and every single time it got a little hic-up, I’d call and they’d fix it over the phone. I see now they have a 25Watt “VersaLaser” that I’d buy in a minute if I had an extra $12,000 laying around. Don’t worry, I don’t work for them or even have one of their products currently, but if I were to go back into lasering, I’d call them first.

Also, there’s a company (in Wisconsin I think) that sells used lasers, with warranties and support from Universal that I hear is really trustworthy and fair. Maybe call them or ask Universal about a used one. Could save you a heck of a lotta money and you’d get an American product with plenty of backup. Just say’n . . . . . .

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#8 posted 11-16-2012 12:13 AM

Mike, I do understand what you are saying. And if it was $13,000 versus $15,000 then I’d go with the American product. But it’s a $10,000 price difference! And like I said, Hurricane is actually an American company, they are simply importing the Chinese laser. Just like Chev imports their trucks from Mexico. Hurricane is going to provide the support and deal with China. And if it goes down and can’t be fixed then I’ll throw it in the trash and buy another one and still be $5,000 ahead. And if that goes down I’ll throw it in the trash and buy a third one and be even. Only if that third one gets thrown in the trash, before the American made one would have, will I be in the hole.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#9 posted 11-16-2012 12:26 AM

Mike I just did some price checking on the Universal and for similar systems it’s even more expensive than the Epilog. So if the Epilog is the Cadillac then Universal must be the Rolls Royce.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#10 posted 11-16-2012 02:29 AM

Hi Mark,
Try this address:

access@usedlasers.com.

and talk to them. A friend of mine used them and had nothing but good things to say about the sales, service, etc . . . . Remember, this is the kind of thing you only wanna buy once.

Also, what wattage are you looking for? I had a 25 Watt which did very well for me, although we always wish we could have a 100 Watter!!

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#11 posted 11-16-2012 02:53 AM

How many plaques and engravings do you have to sell to make $5 G? I also own a cnc and thru networking at our local woodworkers guild I have been able to outsource the small stuff to guy who has a epilog and he is thrilled to see it not collecting dust. Also I cannot believe that you can’t get a good cut on anything less than 1/2 inch letters. Ever try a insert bits for engraving NOT typical V bits I think I get pretty good results down to 1/8 inch depending on the font.

-- nelson woodcrafters

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#12 posted 11-16-2012 03:39 AM

With enough time and research, you could probably build one yourself… I’ve considered doing this someday. Or you might just be able to mount a laser head in your CNC if you determined the right focal length.

-- Allen, Colorado

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#13 posted 11-16-2012 03:48 AM

Dannelson, no I haven’t tried a insert bit. Actually never heard of it. Where do you get them?

Bob, I don’t think you can attach a Laser to a CNC. Well actually I think you can attach it, but I don’t think it would work. I’ve seen a laser engraver in action and the speed the laser needs to move is way faster than what the CNC is capable of. The entire head of the CNC machine, that probably weighs 100 pounds, moves along the axis of the machine.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#14 posted 11-16-2012 11:39 PM

Mark look at Amana they have a set of inserts that work well with my set up you’ll like them you just can’t cut real aggressive with them

-- nelson woodcrafters

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#15 posted 11-16-2012 11:56 PM

Okay I’m looking at those. Specifically what type of bit are you ralking about? I have both a 60 degree and 45 degree V-cut bit. The 45 works great on larger letters and I switch to 60 degree for smaller letters. I’m happy with the larger letters, but the smaller letters just don’t seem to come out as nice as I’d like. They are no where near as sharp as what a laser can do.

What I’m trying to do is be able to make a variety of things. I just retired from a long law enforcement career and I have lots of contacts in the law enforcement world. Cops just love various things with law enforcement related logos and badges and those types of things. I just can’t make those kinds of things with only a CNC. In looking around I don’t see too many businesses out there using both a CNC and a Laser together. If all you have is a laser then you are generally limited to making signs and plaques and things on pre-built items you buy from a supplier. So all the plaques or signs you make are generally going to be square or round or some other standard shape. With a CNC you can make whatever shape you want, but then you’re limited as to the detail, especially fine detail that makes things really stand out. But combine the two and you make any shape of a sign or a plaque you want with the CNC and then use the laser to carve all the fine detail you want. That’s why I’m looking at both.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#16 posted 11-17-2012 03:57 PM

Mark ,Ingrove 30 deg engraving bit by amana. we engrave wood, plastic, alum they say you cant engrave brass but we have. did I mention etching glass? nothing aginst a lazer but I really dont like the look of burnt wood on my signs.you can get pretty good detail with a 30 deg bit just be sure to use single line vectors. depth of cut and font choice are also very important. One cool way is to use your own handwriting, scan it and import for cutting.I use this method to sign my work. what do you think about the outsource idea ?

-- nelson woodcrafters

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#17 posted 11-17-2012 06:54 PM

I’ll try a 30 degree bit. On outsourcing, I like the idea, but I’m the kind of guy that wants to do my own stuff and not have to rely on anybody else. If somebody says they want something in two days, I want to be able to tell them if I can get it to them in two days without having to call around and ask my outsourcer. So it’s an option, but I’d rather do my own thing.

As for the burned wood look, I think maybe that depends on the laser and the user because some of the stuff I’ve seen is really nice. My local Woodcraft store has a couple of different signs hanging in the shop and the lettering on their signs was done with a laser (which they don’t sell) versus a CNC (which they do sell.)

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#18 posted 12-15-2012 07:15 PM

Okay, I did it, I went ahead and ordered the laser and it will be here near the end of next month. Hopefully I can make stuff people want to buy because I’ve spent a lot of money now on tools! But it sure is fun.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#19 posted 12-15-2012 07:23 PM

You should maybe consider a pantograph either cnc ot manual they are easy to use and not nearly so expensive I had one which I paid under a thousand well under a thousand pounds for actually nearer half of that it would take care of your smaller items fine. Alistair p.s there are loads on ebay

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#20 posted 12-15-2012 08:35 PM

You might want to take a look at this guy.

Not sure if it will be as big as you need, but it will save you a lot of money. They originally placed the laser cutter as a KickStarter project but it didn’t meet the minimum investment to produce it. His CNC machinces are pretty nice, and you get the satisfaction of building it yourself. I’ve been drooling over the 2×4 one for a while now.

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#21 posted 12-15-2012 11:57 PM

Too late to save money now, I’ve already bought the Laser and I bought the CNC months ago. The CNC is already in the shop and working.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#22 posted 12-16-2012 05:13 PM

Check with “Degoose” http://lumberjocks.com/degoose

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#23 posted 12-26-2013 12:43 AM

Based on your experience I was doing my own Hurricane Laser review on the 16×12 Agnes. Due to local support they offer – I was interested. However, I found a few mentions on CNC Zone that Hurricane got hammered by a $2M+ lawsuit this Dec. I checked the Clark county clerk in Vegas to confirm. So, now to me their ability to deliver a machine let alone a 2 year warranty is pretty questionable.

Im not a mud slinger but thought others might want to be in the know…

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vendor_discussion/199700-hurricane_lasers_-_buyer_beware_horrible_experience-9.html

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#24 posted 12-26-2013 02:10 AM

My brother in law actually works for epilog in their manufacturing plant in Colorado. Free tech support for life of the machine. They’re amazing in person. Took me on a tour of the facility, quite amazing.

-- Never confuse mistakes with failure. Kevin

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#25 posted 12-26-2013 04:31 PM

I read through some of that thread, but not all of it. I didn’t see any mention of a $2 million dollar lawsuit in it. How do you get to $2 million from a $13k laser?

Here’s my two cents after reading the thread. The guy ordered his laser and says John promised him a delivery just ahead of the grand opening event he was having. I can tell you when I ordered my laser I was given a delivery date but was not promised it would be there that date. They were upfront about telling me their machines come from China and are built at the time of order. The delivery date they told me also coincided with a conference in Las Vegas I wanted to attend so I arranged to be in Vegas that week, attend the conference, and then pick up my machine. But I knew all along if there were delays in customs or shipping the machine wouldn’t get there on time. In the end there were no delays, my Laser arrived right on time, they did all their work and had it set up and ready to go by the time I was done at the conference. Picked it up in the morning the day they promised and brought it to my shop myself. I was happy with what they did and they always answer the phone when I call. In fact about three weeks ago I had an issue with my laser and I called customer support and it took a few calls back and forth and we finally got it worked out. The issue was all my fault because I cleaned the laser and put the lens in backwards.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#26 posted 12-26-2013 04:35 PM

And on the Epilog laser, they make a very nice product and I looked at what they had. It is the Cadillac of the Laser market, but the same size Epilog as the Hurricane Laser I bought was three times the price. being a one man woodshop who does mostly wood working with the ability to add laser engraving, there is just no way I could have paid $30,000 for a laser. If your shop is going to be full time laser engraving and you have enough business to run the machine 8 to 10 hours a day, then the Epilog is probably the laser for you. My laser sits for a week or two at a time without even being turned on, so the cheaper version was the right one for me.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#27 posted 12-27-2013 04:37 AM

I would agree with you Mark with that assessment. Lately I’m seeing imported machines sold by US companies who are adding considerable value added components and really sharp support. I think the gap may be narrowing between Epilog and import. Epilog’s financing option looks reasonable on the surface – but in the end what you pay is …adding insult to injury. Yes, Epilog and Trotec are probably the Cadillacs still but I’ve talked to a few US companies who import plus add value i.e. a F-150 for a lot less. Lots of value in terms of power, space, warranty and post sale support.

I’m looking at Boss and Rabbit now. Boss is newer but smart. At the same time there’s some other importers that are having recurring quality & support issues. FS and Hurricane seem to come up more as of recent. And then there’s others who basically drop ship the machine from China direct to the customer. Hurricanes suit was posted here…

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vendor_discussion/203174-careful_hurricane_laser.html

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#28 posted 12-27-2013 07:24 AM

I was able to find the lawsuit. I don’t know what it means for Hurricane Laser. Based on some other info on the web looks like they are in financial troubles. I can tell you I called them not more than two weeks ago and got the info I needed email to me in about 10 minutes. So as of two weeks ago they were answering the phone and working with customers. In the event they go under all I’ll be out is one year of my two year warranty. Although nothing has broken yet, these lasers are really not that complex. Most of it would just be a matter of removing and replacing parts, versus actually trying to fix anything. Hopefully nothing breaks on it.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#29 posted 12-27-2013 09:45 AM

Hi Mark,
YES.. I added a Laser several years ago and LOVE it. I looked at the CNC’s first but was not really impressed with the units.
My table size is 36×24 and originally it was a 60 Watt Laser. 60 Watts was ok for most things but kind of limited to cutting 1/4” material or less on one pass. So I recently bit the bullet and upgraded my laser tube to an 80 watt Reci (10,000 hr lifespan) with a USB controller card and wow.. what a difference.

I can actually cut 3/4” material in 1 pass but I work with mostly half inch stock so it cuts those with ease.

This picture is when I first bought the laser.

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#30 posted 12-27-2013 04:36 PM

Laser engraving from the Portland woodworking show. My initial excitement was dampened by the surface finish which I didn’t care for. This was an Epilog 60 laser.

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#31 posted 12-27-2013 06:16 PM

I’ve seen the Lasers used for those 3d carvings like that, but I’ve never actually seen the laser do one. Maybe I’ll go look on Youtube and see if there is a video because I’m not sure how they get the finish look like it does. Yes the surface finish is rough, but how is it not blackened burned wood? I’m not sure why the carvings in the photo you posted are not black or how they got the black out of it. I’m guessing they sand blasted it or something.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#32 posted 12-27-2013 09:02 PM

I can assure you the above photo posted by “darthford” was not done on a Laser Engraver.
It would have been a burnt background for sure.

That had to be done on a CNC and that is what I did not like about CNC’s.
If it’s soft woods it splinters (and even some hardwoods) and the constant bit changing and dulling turned
me away from them, even though CNC’s are way cheaper to buy than Lasers.
JMO…

If your into Scroll Sawing check out: BigFoot Products Canada

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#33 posted 12-28-2013 04:08 AM

No those carvings are done on a laser. You can even see the Epilog Laser name engraved at the bottom. Some of the higher end lasers are very capable of these types of carvings.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#34 posted 12-28-2013 10:03 AM

”I was able to find the lawsuit. I don’t know what it means for Hurricane Laser. Based on some other info on the web looks like they are in financial troubles… In the event Hurricane goes under all I’ll be out is one year of my two year warranty.”

Based on this “Gene Sherman” incident and now the lost 2M lawsuit I imagine attorneys are working to collect at this point. If there’s even anything to collect at all.

Good thing is that most if not all the parts are non-proprietary so replacement shouldn’t be a problem.

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#35 posted 01-03-2014 06:50 PM

Well Al, I did a lot of research on Lasers before I bought the Hurricane. I even researched importing my own from China. I read a lot of stories about people who imported their own and some were good stories and some were bad stories. When you import your own you are dealing directly with the company in China. You will pay your money up front before they will ship. You pick up your Laser at the port and you’re on your own from there. If anything is broken you get to call China and try and work it out with somebody at the factory. Some of the stories have said the factory people were very good about shipping new parts.

I chose to buy from Hurricane knowing that on my Laser I could have probably saved about $3,000 if I ordered it directly from the factory. So what did I get for my $3,000? Hurricane did all the dealing with China. Hurricane got the laser when it arrived in the US and then took it out of the crate and made sure it worked, was aligned, and all the parts were there. If anything had been broken in shipping Hurricane would have dealt with all that. Hurricane gave me a full 8 hour day of one on one training showing me exactly how to use the laser and how to maintain and clean it. And they even gave me some more advanced follow up training in how to clean it when I visited them over the summer. Hurricane has been there to answer my phone calls and offer phone support for both the laser and the software. And Hurricane has given me a two year warranty that I have not had to use yet. The only question now is will they still he around for the last year of that warranty.

So was all that worth the extra $3000? To me it was. If I ever get another laser I’ll probably look into directly importing it myself, but that’s only because now I know how to use it and a lot more about the system. But for somebody just starting out, I’d recommend buying from Hurricane for the same reasons I did.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#36 posted 01-08-2014 05:07 AM

USA support is important to me as well and why I wont buy direct from China. I found out that there’s suppliers overseas that dont have any or an updated FDA approval number to get their laser machine to clear customs. So the extra money for USA support, warranty, speed, etc is why I’d buy an import in the US.

”In the event Hurricane goes under all I’ll be out is one year of my two year warranty.”

I think Hurricane worked out for you at the time you purchased. But if you research the current landscape of reviews, law suits, (and your own point above)... I would not recommend Hurricane at least till the smoke all clears.

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#37 posted 01-08-2014 06:17 AM

I have not had any problems getting CNC engraved lettering down to ~1/8” in Paperstone counter top material or Corian or even some plastics as there is in grain to split out prematurely and/or when least desired.

I have a Shopbot BT48 alpha with a 2.2HP spindle and I am still learning how to utilize it fully.

I have been considering a Donek Drag knife to cut vinyl and leather and whatever else thin material.

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#38 posted 01-10-2014 07:38 PM

Mark, if you want to engrave highly detailed items into metal then perhaps this is what you need and it is much lower in cost than a laser

You can see this tool in action at the Penland School of Crafts along with a number of their other videos using this engraving “bit” in their CNC.

Here is another example using this tool:

More information about vibrating engravers can be found on the talkshopbot.com site and is also were I got the image above!

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#39 posted 02-23-2014 04:11 AM

Just to comment on Al and Mark’s comment. I tried importing a laser engraver and it was much more time
consuming and expensive and the support is no where up to US standards. The language and time issues are
always a challenge. And getting parts is a long wait. I’ll buy US next time.

I really like http://BOSSlaser.com engravers and what theyre offering in terms of software – Engravelab – which is used in Epilog machines. Way better than Lasercut. Their Support seems sharp as well. Good post.

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#40 posted 02-23-2014 07:09 AM

Where are you located that makes it so hard to import?

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#41 posted 02-25-2014 05:11 PM

I was in Vegas over the weekend and stopped in to visit Hurricane Lasers. They are still in business and appear to be doing just fine and expanding. John (the owner) sent an email out last week to all of their customers saying they are still in business and will even start maintaining an inventory of lasers in Vegas so they will be able to ship instantly for orders. Apparently as part of the lawsuit settlement they lost their web domain name, so if you go to their old domain you get forwarded to Full Spectrum Laser’s website. Their new website can be found at www.world-lasers.com.

While I was visiting I started asking some software questions and once again one of the employees (I keep forgetting his name) got his computer out and sat down with me for about half an hour showing me some things on the computer. This ongoing support is very helpful because now that I know more about the Laser, I can retain a lot more information when I get it like this. Can’t easily fly to China to get help like this.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#42 posted 02-25-2014 06:41 PM

Degoose has just recently posted some of his laser work

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#43 posted 04-10-2014 08:03 PM

I know Mark and others have had good reviews and experience with hurricane/world laser which is great. But, I ‘d still be cautious here. World Laser, Hurricane, and the owners are now defending another law suit by Full Spectrum. The court records indicate owners are filing bankruptcy. Their site is offering machines at a steep discount if you are willing to wait 3 or 4 months. So, some real red flags there.

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#44 posted 04-10-2014 08:15 PM

I believe the owners are filing for personal bankruptcy (not even positive on that). Their company is an LLC so it shouldn’t be affected by their bankruptcy. My understanding is the lawsuit that they lost was awarded against them personally, which is probably the reason for the bankruptcy.

I don’t see anything in Google on a new lawsuit. Where did that information come from?

And on the steep discount, I think you’ll see that’s probably just a marketing ploy that most every retailer does. When do you ever buy something that isn’t on sale or deeply discounted?

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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#45 posted 04-11-2014 07:38 PM

I was looking at the lower powered STORM laser and wanted to double check the status of the case. The Clarke County Clerk of Court public records in Nevada. Right, last I checked Hurricanes LLC / World Lasers didnt file bankruptcy leaving the companies on the hook for the $2.7M judgment.

”And on the steep discount, I think you’ll see that’s probably just a marketing ploy that most every retailer does. When do you ever buy something that isn’t on sale or deeply discounted?”

Normal circumstances I would agree, but in this case World Lasers probably needs money asap.

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Tykma Lasers

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#46 posted 10-20-2014 02:12 PM

Mark,

Lasers can be expensive, but like Mike pointed out early in the thread there are always used options.

As an American laser company, we are trying to spread the word about our laser offerings. Of course you want to weigh the costs vs. benefits of any investment for your business, but you may find that a used desktop laser engraver is within your budget, especially when you factor in the new scope of capabilities it adds to your shop.

We also offer rent or lease programs if you’d just like a trial run! Last but not least, customer support is definitely better than having to call China for tech support, as someone mentioned above. We offer 24/7 365 support, and training online so you can get the software down.

If it sounds like something that could help, visit our site http://www.permanentmarking.com/ and get in touch with a salesperson who can help you weigh your options. We’re big supporters of small American businesses, since we started small ourselves.

Thanks, and hope this helps!

-- John, for TYKMA Lasers.

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Mark Smith

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#47 posted 10-23-2014 02:43 AM

Thanks for the info John, but this is an old thread and I bought a laser a long time ago. Don’t need another one.

-- Mark Smith, Tracy, CA., http://www.markscustomwoodcrafts.com

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