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Shaper?

by Mikeleg
posted 629 days ago


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helluvawreck

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#1 posted 629 days ago

Before we got our first molder we had seven Powermatic shapers. We used them for all sorts of things and quite often. They are a valuable machine and can take a much heavier cut than a router can. They are a dangerous machine if not used with care. However, in some ways they can be safer than a router. I don’t think that a shaper should be one of the first machines a small shop should have, however, but once you get your basic machines then a shaper can be a nice addition. An automatic feeder can also make a very nice addition to a shaper.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Gshepherd

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#2 posted 629 days ago

How much did they want for the shaper with some cutters?

Agree with Charles, but if the shaper is at a smokin deal though it might save money now. Power feeder is a great asset to a shaper, safety wise and also in controling the feed rate.

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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GrandpaLen

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#3 posted 629 days ago

Most of what a Shaper can do, can be done with a good Router of the 2 1/4 to 3 1/2 hp. range, using the large router bits often, would be better served by the larger hp. router, although a 2 1/4 hp. will spin the larger bits.

Shaper cutters are more costly than router bits but most profile bits/cutters are available for both machines.

Finally, Shapers are generally prefered by production shops that run their machines for hours on end and are designed for this type of continuous use.

Work Safely and have Fun. – Grandpa Len

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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Loren

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#4 posted 629 days ago

Gooseneck mouldings.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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Don W

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#5 posted 629 days ago

It really is nothing more than a good router, but if you’re a power tool guy, can you have to many routers.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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helluvawreck

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#6 posted 629 days ago

I’m not belittling the router. They are wonderful tools and usually anyone who has been in woodworking for any length of time will have a number of them. In my home shop I have 5 or 6 routers and no shaper right now. My home shop is so small right now that I wouldn’t have room for it even if I could get my hands on one. The router is exactly why the shaper should be one of the last major stationary tools the small shop owner should get. Nevertheless, I believe the shaper is a mighty good machine to have.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Moron

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#7 posted 629 days ago

Pending the shaper, or at least mine, I can put a 13” diameter raise panel cutter on it. ….try that with a router ?

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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Mikeleg

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#8 posted 629 days ago

I think he would let it go for $400. I think it is a Delta 43-355. No feeders.

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Gshepherd

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#9 posted 629 days ago

400 bucks, I bet 350 you can take it home… Good deal if you ask me… switch from 1/4 to 1/2 router bits, or 3/4 bore shaper cutters…. Even larger if you have the t-bushings. I think 10,000 rpm is max so you just feed a little slower on the smaller bits. I paid 1500 for my Delta the guy threw in a Power feeder. You can pick up good shaper cutters at your local saw sharpening store I bet… Good dual purpose machine, a 3 1/4 PC router alone will cost you 400 bucks…....

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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MrRon

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#10 posted 629 days ago

I would go with a router unless you intend to do a lot of molding work.

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Gshepherd

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#11 posted 629 days ago

I looked at the Delta 43-355 and it is not what I would call a Shaper but more like a Router set-up. 1 1/2 hp… When I think shaper I am thinking cabinet style 3hp and above. If your doing a shaper 3 hp and above is where you want to be. Otherwise stick with the router option. I do not have a router table anymore cause I either use the Delta 3hp one or when I feel real spunky I break out the 7hp Powermatic one. Stick a 1 13/16 head on that thing with a set of cutters it will make the hair on your neck stand up…

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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Don W

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#12 posted 629 days ago

A 13” cutter. Now we’re talking about some chips flying. That must sound like a jet taking off.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Gshepherd

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#13 posted 629 days ago

I did some 9 in wide crown several months back, the stock was 6/4 and had a 1 1/4 scoop out of the middle like a cove crown just a little fancier….. When I started up the moulder the guys next door rushed over to see what was going on and it did sound like a darn 747 starting up the engines. Taking a 1 1/4 cut at one time does give ya goosebumps…........

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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helluvawreck

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#14 posted 629 days ago

Our biggest molder was a 12 inch wide Weinig Unimat. We might go a little over 1-1/4 but when we did we would glue up the wood on the clamp carriers in a way that a lot of the stock was already gone where areas like a cove were. This way avoided a lot of stress on the knives. We’ve had some knives break on us with a 1-1/4 deep cut. That can hurt or kill someone and damage the head and/or the molder. We most always stayed within the limits of what Weinig told us. We’ve had builders and architechs always trying to push our limits but we just didn’t push the limits. It’s not safe and molders are too expensive. 1-1/4 was almost always ok depending on the width of the molding. However, 12 inch is a big molding so we tried to be cautio

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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mloy365

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#15 posted 629 days ago

I have two of these and use them mainly for cutting cope and stick. They work just fine. I just purchased the second one this past spring for $400. It had the router spindle and was in almost perfect shape (router spindle had never been taken out of the box). I think they are a good alternative to a router table.

-- Mike - Northern Upper Michigan

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Mikeleg

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#16 posted 629 days ago

Hmmm. I already have a good router and my next project will be building a decent router table. I think I will pass on the shaper. Thanks for the great advice.

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