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I Want this Saw - (This Grizzly has all if not more features) than the Laguna, I'm converted

by steve6678
posted 11-01-2012 04:15 AM


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a1Jim

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#1 posted 11-01-2012 04:19 AM

HMMM Laguna ?

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#2 posted 11-01-2012 08:20 AM

Go for it, I do like the fence set up. Buy it and do a review on your whole process…. You seen it up close and personal and you like it. Have you looked at the Delta?

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#3 posted 11-01-2012 12:39 PM

That’s pretty nice, but for that price I would opt for a sawstop PCS. If I were to go “all out” on a table saw, it would be the Hammer K3 Winner

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toolie

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#4 posted 11-01-2012 01:14 PM

but your 113.###### table saw looks so good. think the laguna would really provide any material increase in functionality?

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#5 posted 11-01-2012 01:20 PM

It’s a nice saw but look very closely. They’re pretty darn similar from what I see in the manuals from both websites. Unless something has changed recently, it’s my understanding that the saws come from the same plant and are made from the same parts. Laguna has a dealer network for support, and Grizzly is a direct importer that offers lower pricing. The Griz is only available in 3hp with this model though….$1545 shipped vs $2195



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#6 posted 11-01-2012 01:29 PM

damn! all i can say is….damn! what do suppose the function of part 201 in the 691 is as it appears to be missing from the laguna.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#7 posted 11-01-2012 01:34 PM

It’s a good machine .

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#8 posted 11-01-2012 01:34 PM

I’m wondering if Laguna has an update that’s not captured in their manual, because neither of those look like dovetail with vertical rise to me….they both have swing arms, part 201 is part of the riving knife mount. The G1023RL series has vertical rise.

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#9 posted 11-01-2012 01:36 PM

All I know is that my G0690 makes me smile every time I watch it start up. I have to pay close attention here because it is so quiet and smooth that it is easy to miss… ;-)

Oh, and for the ~$600 difference, I got an iron router table extension and a 3 1/4hp router too! With change back!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#10 posted 11-01-2012 02:03 PM

For the same money you can get a 12” blade ,side and rear extensions and 5hp plus good customer service

http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/12-Extreme-Series-Table-Saw-Single-Phase/G0605X

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#11 posted 11-01-2012 03:58 PM

Well why pussy foot around and get one with a slider….. for 500 more….

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#12 posted 11-01-2012 04:37 PM

Thanks guys. Now my Dewalt table top saw looks so… inferior.

-- Bryan

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#13 posted 11-01-2012 04:52 PM

Bsmith, if it makes you feel better my first saw was a Ryobi bench top which I used on the kitchen island…..Wife was not that thrilled…...

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#14 posted 11-01-2012 05:36 PM

The old INCA 2100 and 2200 cabinet saws have a dovetailed
trunnion. I had two 2200s. The design kept a very consistent
blade centerline at all depths. Also, it simplifies adding a
riving knife to the design.

That said, there are some other features I’d rather have
than a dovetailed trunnion if buying a new saw… not that
I’d say “no” to the dovetail. It worked well on the INCA,
though it did require regular cleaning and waxing.

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#15 posted 11-02-2012 12:53 AM

yeah, my first thought was that looks exactly like the grizzly. same fence design, same cabinet design, shape, motor cover screw and all!

-- Crashn - the only thing I make more of than sawdust is mistakes

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steve6678

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#16 posted 11-02-2012 01:20 AM

Holy shit!
It does…look…just LIKE a freaking Grizzly, wt——-
Did I see that, why is it almost EXACTLY the same looking saw!
Wow, do ya think they get it from the same Tiawaneezeee island?
That is truly messed up.

-- Steve - Dust sucks!

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steve6678

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#17 posted 11-02-2012 01:45 AM

I am calling Grizz 2moro to talk about this saw, ask some questions (why it resembles, to a “T” the Laguna Platinum), and ask how good THEIR customer service is. That’s all I got to say, and I’m sticking to it.

-- Steve - Dust sucks!

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#18 posted 11-02-2012 01:48 AM

Yeeeee Haw…!

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#19 posted 11-02-2012 01:51 AM

I think we should pass some consumer laws in America that places like grizzly and jet and even HF must disclose the originating mfgr. All we get is fooled into paying more for the same stuff just because it has a decal on it.
I mean, how many places actually diecast this stuff in the world anyway?

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#20 posted 11-02-2012 01:51 AM

But if you spend $600 more, you get that legendary Laguna customer support I’ve been hearing so much about.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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steve6678

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#21 posted 11-02-2012 02:40 AM

I still have no comment on Laguna’s support, I know I find their machines have an appealing fit & finish.
I, myself have never owned one, but I have spoken to their support dept. since this diatribe.
I found them very eager to please, and that goes with them WANTING me to buy equipt.
But, whether or not they suck…I dunno. I do know I can get a decent saw from Grizzly, and I just may drive down there to see everything they have for myself. Be kinda fun…I spent my X-honeymoon in the Pocono Mountains, PA, long drive but scenic.
Thank’s all

-- Steve - Dust sucks!

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knotscott

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#22 posted 11-02-2012 10:48 AM

Keep in mind that neither Laguna nor Grizzly has their own plants where these saws are made AFAIK, at least not for all their tools…few companies own their own plants anymore, which is one of the reasons I urge folks not to group tools together based on brand name….there’s often little correlation between models.

The comment about the original Laguna Platinum and the G0690 being from the same plant and made from the same materials came from the owner of Grizzly, Shiraz Balolia….he’s a very credible guy IMO. As mentioned earlier, it look like that the original Platinum design has changed, and the manual has been updated on their website just since yesterday (it’s tough to keep up!). The G0690 and Laguna Platinum no longer look the same to me.

Below is the new manual diagram with vertical elevation with dovetail ways:

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The G1023RL is a newer design and definitely has a vertical elevation mechanism, and looks to me like it has dovetail ways as part of that mechanism (part #60).

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HorizontalMike

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#23 posted 11-02-2012 12:05 PM

Hey Knotscott, have you heard anything about dust collection issues with the G1023RL associated with the vertical elevation design?

I recall seeing something on LJs recently but can’t recall where.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#24 posted 11-02-2012 12:13 PM

Haven’t heard much about DC. There are a lot of variables involved….it’s hard to know actual root cause. The blade shroud should help ”in theory”, but….

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#25 posted 11-02-2012 12:22 PM

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#26 posted 11-02-2012 12:29 PM

The DC on my Shop Fox is old style with a ramped bottom. My biggest gripe with DC is that dust settles on the flat bottom of the door, then falls out when the door opens. I’ve added some hardboard ramps to help. The chute can still clog if a large piece blocks it, but it’s happened like once in 4+ years, and is easy to access….ZCI is there answer for that as well.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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HorizontalMike

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#27 posted 11-02-2012 01:20 PM

Yeah, same here. I have had thin slices >12” long land in the bottom of the cabinet and dust collects at the bottom of the ramp up to 3” deep and then against the DC door. While inconvenient, this still sounds less inconvenient than the above situation, IMO. ZCI is the answer and I have that on my TS sled, but when ripping, I still use the stock metal insert. I just have to keep reminding myself to suck the dust out of my machines regularly (TS, BS, jointer).

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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steve6678

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#28 posted 11-02-2012 07:01 PM

That PART # 60 sure does look dove-tailed to me!

I have a DVD from Laguna showing a tear-down of the platinum, it did look impressive, and was dove-tailed, he showed it working.

-- Steve - Dust sucks!

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#29 posted 11-02-2012 07:46 PM

The Grizz customer service is great, the “tech” service is EXCELLENT”.
My lathe, BS, TS are Grizz, and I can’t fault any of these machines. Price/value relationship is my mantra, and Grizz fits the definition quite well.
Any doubt where I look for good stuff at a value? :)
Bill

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