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Laguna Bandsaw, Opionions Needed

by Rex B
posted 09-17-2012 02:00 PM


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Bill White

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#1 posted 09-17-2012 02:10 PM

Not a bad price, but if it IS a 3 hp. motor, you’ll have to add 220 circuit(s).
Bill

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#2 posted 09-17-2012 02:15 PM

Good point Bill. I do have 220V service ready to go, so no problem there.

-- Rex

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#3 posted 09-17-2012 02:33 PM

Like what Bill said, it’s not a bad price. Now, it all depend on your wife if she’d let you buy it.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#4 posted 09-17-2012 03:48 PM

In 2007 I got a used 16HD and paid 1700.00 less than 2 years old. Had the upgraded glides, several extra throat plates, and mobility kit…..High rise resaw fence. It had the 3hp but I upgraded it to the 6hp Baldor motor. Made in Italy and built like a tank. So 600 bucks i would say offer 525 and work it from there either way it is a good price. It will last forever if you take care of it. If the wife lets you splurge a bit then make her a nice bandsawn box!!!!!!!!!!! If you get it, take some pics….. Good Luck….

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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#5 posted 09-17-2012 05:08 PM

If I got that deal I’d offer it immediately.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#6 posted 09-17-2012 05:15 PM

I’d like to run across that deal too! Laguna makes outstanding equipment. Show your wife these posts.

-- Don, Culleoka, Tn.

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#7 posted 09-17-2012 06:27 PM

WAIT!!!...is this in your house or at a commercial business. 99.99% of all houses have single phase power. You need to have 3 different legs and your house only has 2. If this is for your home, plan on changing out the motor which is far cheaper than buying a 3ph converter.

-- Isaac- Decatur, GA - "Your woodworking....NOT machining parts for NASA!!!"

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Tennessee

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#8 posted 09-17-2012 07:17 PM

I doubt that it is a 220V, 3 phase motor. Most likely just single phase 220VAC.
And as far as your wifey, easier to beg for forgiveness than to ask permission, I always say…

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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#9 posted 09-17-2012 07:23 PM

I guess Rex said above that he has a 220V service ready to go.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#10 posted 09-17-2012 07:49 PM

Yep I had 2 220V outlets (single phase) installed – one for my tablesaw and one for a jointer in the future. That one could be re-purposed for the bandsaw if need be. If I decide to call the seller, I will make sure that I have sufficient power before I make any decisions.

-- Rex

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#11 posted 09-17-2012 08:34 PM

What’s your plan now, Rex?

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#12 posted 09-17-2012 08:41 PM

I would say at this point it’s still mostly wishful thinking. I might bring it up to the wife tonight. It’s not that I’m afraid of her, I don’t really think I can afford it right now either. I’m just trying to decide if it’s a deal I can’t afford to pass up.

The guy was asking $1200 for it a week ago, and has already come down to $650. Apparently he needs it gone quick (he claims he quit the hobby due to wood allergies) so I think I could get him to go lower. I’ll sleep on it.

-- Rex

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#13 posted 09-17-2012 08:48 PM

As I can see it, you can really bring down the price lower. What’s bad is if somebody else finds the deal and would go for it hastily. Try to work it out with your wife before it’s too late.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#14 posted 09-17-2012 09:05 PM

What’s the saying? “It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.” LOL!

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#15 posted 09-17-2012 09:08 PM

Can’t you relate to that, Jay?

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#16 posted 09-17-2012 11:35 PM

If it is 3 phase then Tennessee is correct. A 3phase motor will either be 208v or 440v.

The equation is the voltage of a single leg (120v) times the TAN of 120 or 1.732 (the phases are 120 degrees out of step) which gives 207.9 Volts.

For single phase you just add the voltage of the legs together. 120v+120v=240v.

Now somebody stop me before I get SUPER NERDY up in here!!!

-- Isaac- Decatur, GA - "Your woodworking....NOT machining parts for NASA!!!"

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#17 posted 09-17-2012 11:41 PM

If it is single phase, I would jump on it. I like my Laguna 16HD. Check the motor over really well. I had to replace my Baldor after only about 5 hours of use.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#18 posted 09-17-2012 11:59 PM

Before you buy it do a search on LJs on Laguna tools. nuff said

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#19 posted 09-17-2012 11:59 PM

Ok, since no else will say it…..........
Dude, I hate to be the fun police, but if the saw isn’t within your means at the moment, don’t buy it. There’s always another great deal to be had.
Signed,
The voice of reason

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#20 posted 09-18-2012 01:44 PM

Without a doubt, what Tedstor says is good advice. A good portable jig saw served me well for years before i bought a band saw.
BTW, the model T16 is not going to be a 3 phase 220v. Those saws start at about a T27- a large, industrial type band saw.

-- Don, Culleoka, Tn.

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#21 posted 09-18-2012 02:00 PM

Yeah, you definitely don’t want to put your family in a situation where purchasing the saw causes a lot of strife. But it’s fun to talk like “big boys” who know we don’t wear the pants in our families. :)

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#22 posted 09-18-2012 02:20 PM

I can’t seem to disagree with what the “fun police” said. Don’t overdo it.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#23 posted 09-18-2012 03:05 PM

It looks like this thread has arrived at the same conclusion I came to last night. A $600 saw isn’t in the cards for me right now, never even brought it up to the wife. I can still keep watching the saw and hope he comes down to $300! ;)

It was fun to dream for a few hours though!

-- Rex

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#24 posted 09-18-2012 03:09 PM

It’s ok, Rex. There are still more to come. This might be a common saying we heard a couple of times, but never neglect the old timer. Remember, patience is always a virtue.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#25 posted 09-18-2012 03:11 PM

If it’s not trashed, I’d buy it on the spot. Do you have any children you could sell? ;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#26 posted 09-18-2012 04:18 PM

Funny, Bertha!

My wife would certainly be upset if I bought it, especially given all the tools I bought last month, but it’s nice to get to a point in your marriage when she sees enough of your capabilities as a woodworker to know that you wouldn’t be wasting money on such a purchase…and in fact, would be saving money over buying a new machine.

Illustration:

I started building a guitar last month despite still needing to finish the kitchen cabinets. Of course, I just have to have parallel projects to keep from going crazy…but I didn’t tell my wife that I started the guitar. About 10 days ago, I was shaping my mold for the guitar as I thought the coast was clear. Alas, she caught me, as the distinctive shape of a guitar is pretty much an obvious thing, even to my wife. I jumped when she saw me. Her gaze seared right through me for a second. As if in exasperation, she said, “Finish my kitchen!” But she didn’t stomp away depressed, like she used to do.

Three hours later, I hear her talking to my son, “Do you know what your Dad is going to do? He’s going to build a guitar!”

So, it’s cool when your wife can take pride in your work as well. It will just make getting that big Sawstop saw all the more easier when the time is right. :)

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#27 posted 09-18-2012 04:23 PM

It sucks you can not get it, but being fairly new to being married you should get used to having your dreams crushed right before your very eyes…... Hey maybe work out a payment plan with the guy? Half down rest in 2 payments….. Of course last time I did that for someone they did stiff me, not saying you would but maybe he has had a bad experience as well….....

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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#28 posted 09-18-2012 04:30 PM

“My wife would certainly be upset if I bought it, especially given all the tools I bought last month, but it’s nice to get to a point in your marriage when she sees enough of your capabilities as a woodworker to know that you wouldn’t be wasting money on such a purchase…and in fact, would be saving money over buying a new machine.”

LOL. Its not about the amount of money spent. Instead, its all about the money saved. Kind of like when my wife spends $200 on a purse, but beams with pride because it was marked down from $250. Any way you slice it, my wallet just got $200 lighter. But I’m supposed to be happy about it because she supposedly saved $50.LOL

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#29 posted 09-18-2012 04:33 PM

LOL, Ted. The two are slightly different. My wife doesn’t need yet another new purse. But I DO need a band saw. ;)

Or, said a different way, if my wife’s fifth pair of black pumps could cut a curve out of wood or grill a steak, then I’d be just fine with it! :)

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#30 posted 09-18-2012 04:38 PM

Hey. I can relate. I’ve used that logic before too…...with mixed results.
A purse or a pedicure is 110% frivilous.
But the 6in jointer I’m going to buy in the near future will be crtical to the happiness, if not survival, of our family. LOL.

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#31 posted 09-18-2012 04:48 PM

Come on, Ted. Our survival also depends on redundancy. If the jointer goes down, you better have a No.7 at the ready!

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#32 posted 09-18-2012 05:06 PM

Don’t you hate it when Logic overrules toy purchases !!

Is there no other bandsaw that will fill your woodworking needs for less money ?
I don’t need a Lexus to arrive at the same destination that a Corolla will bring me to. : )
Old age and tight budget talking here . LOL

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#33 posted 09-18-2012 05:43 PM

Dusty,

There are other bandsaws that can fill my needs for now, including this one and this one I plan to build. This question was just about whether I had come across a once-in-a-lifetime deal or not. As I said above, I have decided this isn’t how I need to spend my money at the moment, but a fella can dream, right? :)

-- Rex

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#34 posted 09-18-2012 07:14 PM

It just shows who the real boss is! lol

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#35 posted 09-18-2012 07:27 PM

you should get used to having your dreams crushed right before your very eyes.
.
I laughed out loud at that:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#36 posted 09-18-2012 08:02 PM

Thought of something when you read that line? Please be honest. lol

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#37 posted 09-18-2012 11:49 PM

Sadly, I see a man many years down the road looking into the distance, hearing his heart monitor slowly beeping and his only regret in life was letting that Laguna bandsaw slip through his fingers….,,So sad…...

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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#38 posted 09-19-2012 04:29 AM

We never really know if something is a once in a lifetime deal until we die…. : )
I’ve passed on several items due to circumstances at the time , and in the end , either something better came along or I ended up not needing it or them anyway.
When you’re a single parent , sacrifice is the name of the game.
Been dreaming about an 8” jointer for years and finally got one this past Spring for $80.00 after I talked the guy out of his “firm” price of $100.00. He thought he was selling a six inch jointer because there was a number 6 on the front of it. In reality , it is an 8” Powermatic model 60 !!
I am restoring it in between other projects and should have it up and running shortly.
So , maybe there is some truth to that saying that good things come to those that wait : )

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#39 posted 09-19-2012 01:49 PM

That’s a really sad story, Gshepherd!

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#40 posted 09-19-2012 02:12 PM

Is that the Italian made 16”? Any chance that $600 saw could fetch $700-$800 just cleaning it up a little and reselling it with just a little patience and effort? It’d be worthwhile to check various resale prices on that saw….it could leave you with an extra $100-$200 towards another BS or another tool. Or….are there any other tools/toys you could sell to afford to keep the Laguna? I’ve bought and sold many tools (and other toys) over the years to fund the ones I really wanted.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#41 posted 09-27-2012 06:20 PM

Do a search on “Laguna Tools Customer service” and you will find a sea of incredibly unhappy customers. Haviing said that, I would jump on an LT16 at $600, especially if the saw is Italian as it almost has to be given its age. Just don’t count of dealing with Laguna unless you have an extremely high tolerance for pain.

-- Dwight - "Free legal advice available - contact Dewey, Cheetam & Howe""

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#42 posted 09-27-2012 06:31 PM

Yep, several here have informed me of their poor customer service. I sure would have loved to have this saw, and probably wouldn’t expect customer service on something 13 years old anyway. Alas, this saw has disappeared from Craigslist, and I didn’t try for it. Definitely not in the budget right now. It was nice to daydream a bit. Now back to the shop to get some work done with the tools I have!

-- Rex

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#43 posted 09-27-2012 07:22 PM

Let me welcome you to the new world, Rex.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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#44 posted 09-27-2012 07:36 PM

The next voice of reason – the Laguna is a great saw; however, sight-unseen and somewhat out of your current budget … let it go. The Delta 14”, and its many comparables, will get you 80% toward what the Laguna will do – not as stylishly, nor with the same life expectancy; however, its a known quantity, with a warranty. I don’t particularly like the Delta 14”, but I can’t reason spending $2,000 to replace it.
MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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#45 posted 10-01-2012 03:41 AM

I know you’ve made your decision already but i’ll give you my input.

I purchased a used LT16 last December. I believe it was a ‘99 model. The seller listed it as the LT16HD and I didn’t think to lookup the model when I bought it. I paid $900 for it thinking it was the HD model and since it wasn’t, I paid too much. The saw was in like-new condition. Even though I overpaid for it, I think it’s still a great saw. I like it better than my newer 18” Rikon saw and my 14” Delta. And I think $600 for the saw you’re looking at is a very good price. I never see LT16 that cheap in my neck of the woods.

I view buying used tools the same as putting my money in the bank since interest rates are basically zero. Almost all my tools were purchased used and I believe I can get nearly what I paid for them after many years of use. To me, the only issue to overcome is whether the money is available to spend on the tools.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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