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Router advice sought

by Purrmaster
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BiggKountry

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#1 posted 716 days ago

I have the Dewalt 618 kit w fixed base and plunge base. It is a great router. It will handle both the 1/4 and 1/2 in bits. The plunge action is smooth and it handles like a dream. I also own the Bosch 1617 combo with the fixed and plunge base. I liked how the Bosch felt and purchased it. I plan on mounting the fixed base Bosch into my router table.

I don’t think you can go wrong with either set. I don’t know too much about the other Bosch you mention other than it gets great reviews on other forums.

I also own a Porter Cable H100 router that I use for routing signs. It is a quality router too.

Find one that feels good to you and get it. Each brand has their quirks. The Dewalt 611 is a great router too!

Again, whether you choose Dewalt, Porter Cable, or Bosch…it comes down to what feels good in your hands.

Good Luck,

Keith

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pintodeluxe

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#2 posted 715 days ago

Plunge action on the Dewalt 618 is a dream. Also P.C. style bushings fit the Dewalt. Go for the 618 over the 616 because of increased power and the variable speed.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Purrmaster

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#3 posted 715 days ago

The Bosch models I was referring to can be found here:

http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/ItemResults.aspx?catid=1527

For some reason the price of the one with 2.3HP is much higher than the 2.25HP. It seems like an awfully expensive 0.05 of a horse.

Home Depot doesn’t seem to carry the combo pack for the DeWalt 618. I shall have to look elsewhere.

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Fred Hargis

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#4 posted 715 days ago

I would suggest you consider one more model in your search, the Milwaukee 5616-24. It will have the same features as the MRC23EVSK, but at a lower cost. The routers available these days sure are a lot nicer than those of 20 years ago…good luck with your decision.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, we sent 'em to Washington.

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NiteWalker

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#5 posted 715 days ago

Avoid the dewalt dw618 kit; the plunge base is the best in the business, but the motors are very unreliable. The speed control broke on both of mine and one stopped working all together.

The bosch 1617 kit is excellent and would be a strong contender for a new router kit if I needed one. I used to have one and it was the smoothest router I’ve used. I’d also give the milwaukee a shot. The newer bosch kit looks nice, but too expensive for what you get IMHO; the same goes for the porter cable 890 kits.

The bosch 1617 kit can commonly be found for under $200, usually around $179.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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HorizontalMike

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#6 posted 715 days ago

A couple of months ago I found this Ridgid 2hp 11amp Dual base router on sale at Home Depot for $179. It was almost like getting TWO routers for the price of one. I put the “fixed” base into my horizontal mortising machine and that left me with the “plunge” base for additional hand work. The motor pops in/out very quickly, PLUS with a “Lifetime Service Service” Guarantee you just can’t beat it.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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abie

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#7 posted 715 days ago

Take a serious look at the Trend T-4 from England.
great price and great reviews lately from a current mag.
see review here at LJ…

-- Bruce. a mind is like a book it is only useful when open.

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Tennessee

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#8 posted 715 days ago

All I can say is I own Rigid, (The twin pack that Horizontal Mike owns), Boschs, Porter Cable 690 combo, one Harbor Freight, and a Dewalt, and my go-to routers on a daily basis are Bosch, Bosch, and Bosch in both my table and hand-held plunge.
Feel, smoothness, sight, balance, for me it’s all there, and I am 63 with some arthritis in my hands, so a good feel is paramount.
I don’t think anyone can beat the grip handles that are on the Bosch.

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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lumberjoe

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#9 posted 715 days ago

In my opinion, this is one of the best sub 3hp routers on the market:

Craftsman 27680 Professional 2.5 hp router

You can read my review here: http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/2821 . Note, I would not recommend any other craftsman router. This one is completely different than anything else they currently make.

-- www.etsy.com/shop/KandJWoodCrafts

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Doss

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#10 posted 715 days ago

Personally, I don’t think you can do any better than the Bosch 1617 without spending a lot of money. I have it and a few Porter Cables and still find myself grabbing the Bosch every single time.

Yes, you do end up having to get adapters for guides and things like that, but it feels well-built and has enough power to do anything I ask of it.

You can find it under $200 (sometimes as low as $180) from places like Amazon.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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Cosmicsniper

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#11 posted 715 days ago

Mike: And I wondered what I was going to do with the Bosch 1617 fixed base that’s been taking up peg-board space for so many years. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that…thanks for the tip!

Purrmaster: I love my Bosch 1617 combo. Always have. It’s just that, as I mentioned above, I’ve never seen reason to remove it from its plunge base. BTW, the Hitachi M12v is highly regarded and might be a good choice on the used market. I have no experience with it myself, but it might be something to keep on the radar.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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surfin2

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#12 posted 715 days ago

I don’t think anyone can beat the grip handles that are on the Bosch.

Bosch 1618EVS 2.25 HP Fixed Base Electronic D-Handle Router…

-- Rick

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pintodeluxe

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#13 posted 715 days ago

The Bosch MRC23EVSK is actually a big 15 amp router. Most other manufacturers would call that a 3 hp router. I think Bosch is just being realistic, and not posting the absolute peak hp number. It is heavy though.

That’s why I like the Dewalt – great ergonomics. I got mine at Lowes, and for $30 extra purchased a 5 yr extended warranty. Works for me.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Purrmaster

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#14 posted 715 days ago

What kind of adapters will I need for the Bosch? Are they readily available or do I have to order them from the Bosch? And does the use of an adapter to attach stuff ever screw up the fit of attachments? I figure I’ll be using dovetail jigs and mortising jigs and the like.

Thank you.

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Doss

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#15 posted 715 days ago

The adapter is so you can use the guides (bushings) of the popular Porter Cable sizes. Either that, or you just end up buying the ones that are Bosch specific.

You can purchase the adapter through most places that sell the Bosch router, but I think Bosch was supplying it at one point with the 1617 (I have not confirmed that). I think I remember it being 10 or 15 bucks though.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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knotscott

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#16 posted 715 days ago

Another plug for the Milwaukee 5616….extremely robust routers, excellent plunger, the BodyGrip feature is terrific on the fixed base, soft start/EVS, and they accept the standard bushing guides. The Bosch 1617 would be a close 2nd choice for me, but they require an adapter to accept standard bushings…otherwise you have to buy theirs….dunno about the new one. Plus, as much as I like the look of the Bosch’ hardwood handles, to me they feel slippery compared to the BodyGrip design of the MW.

Be sure it feels good in your hands, and buy the one you like.

Here’s the Bosch adapter:

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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sixstring

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#17 posted 715 days ago

I’ve got the Bosch 1617 combo. Havent used the plunge yet but I’m currently designing/building an extension table on my table saw. I’ll likely buy another one (motor only) so I can have a permanent fixed/table router, and use the other exclusively with the plunge. Havent tried many other routers but I can say I absolutely love my 1617.

The newer model you mentioned has the slight bump in power but more importantly, it has the power switch on the handle. LIke you mentioned, I dont think it’s worth the price. Having the trigger on the handle is nice but since the 1617 has soft start, you dont really need the trigger. Soft start is awesome by the way… helps keep things nice and steady as you position for the cut when going freehand. It also wont jump at your face unexpectedly.

-- JC Garcia, Concord, CA : "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission..."

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Purrmaster

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#18 posted 715 days ago

For the Bosch, would I require multiple adapters for each kind of Porter Cable style accessory?

I looked at the Porter Cables and they seemed kind of spendy for their specs. Compared to the others I mean. And I read some reviews on here that weren’t completely in love with Porter Cable.

The main reason I’m looking at them is the same reason I stuffed a Soundblaster sound card into my computer. Soundblaster is the defacto standard for sound cards (or at least it used to be) and everything else emulates Soundblaster to one degree or another. Basically, you can be assured of compatibility.

How would you guys rate the online documentation and support for Porter Cable, Bosch, DeWalt, and Milwaukee? I like being able to access data online. Some tool makers are better about it than others.

And how about reliability? Anyone got a read on the reliability of these brands? Or is it more model specific?

I’m going to take a hard look at the Milwaukees. I may end up buying whatever model I settle on online (probably Amazon). The big box stores have a pretty terrible router selection and the woodworking stores typically have prices I can’t stomach.

I think soft start is going to be a must. LED lighting is probably out though.

Once again, thanks for your input and please keep it coming.

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fussy

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#19 posted 714 days ago

Look carefully at this deal. It says factory re-manufactured. What you get is essentially a brand new tool with a full new warranty at a significant saving. I bought this set several years ago and have been very happy. This combo has been consistantly rated #1 or #2 for years. Smooth, powerful, easy to use. The company is top-notch too. http://www.reconditionedtools.com/factory-reconditioned-bosch-1617evspk-rt-2-25-hp-combination-plunge-and-fixed-base-router-pack/bshr1617evspk-rt,default,pd.html?start=2&cgid=bosch

Steve

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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Purrmaster

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#20 posted 714 days ago

Wow, you weren’t kidding. That is a fantastic price. Thank you! I’ve never had a problem with refurbished goods. The refurbs have to pass the same quality control tests as their new off the assembly line brethren. And typically the way a device is repaired is by swapping in new parts.

It carries the full warranty? I looked at the warranty and am disappointed Bosch only warrants it for a year. But that would be the same as for a new unit?

I think I’ve found my router. With the money saved on that I could get a router table and some bits.

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Purrmaster

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#21 posted 714 days ago

Update: I ordered it. Should arrive in a week or so. I’ll have to get some bits in the meantime. Anyone have a suggestion for a good starter pack of router bits that won’t break the bank?

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Handtooler

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#22 posted 714 days ago

I have a 6 pc set of 1/2” shaft Whiteside that are super, ans a 30 pc set of Skil 1/4” shaft that were a gift that were less than $90.00 that are perefect for a hobbist and getting acquainted with the profiles and use of the machine. Also as you begin to use the router be aware of which way you feed the machine and bit into your work, Left to right on outside cuts and right to left on inside cuts. Then a back cut is sometimes helpful if graines raise. But, I’m sure the more accomplished Lj’s will correct and add to this advise; as I’m only an advanced novice who learns every day.

As to router bit sources Eagle America has two price rangesl Price Cutter and Their premium line of Eagle America. Then MLCS has a wide range of bits. Both of these companies source top quality professional grade carbide bits. I started with hss bits from Craftsman in the 60’s and they burned up after only a few used especially since they didn’t have bearing guides back then on their store available bits only a fixed guide pin. Things have certainly changed.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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knotscott

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#23 posted 714 days ago

Router bits spinning @ 20K rpms can shed carbide at high speed waist high…don’t take the chance on off names, and the cheapest bits you can find. Get 1/2” shank bits whenever possible.

Whiteside, Infinity, Eagle America, Freud, CMT, Amana all are top shelf….Whiteside and Infinity offer small basic sets of the most common profiles for < $100. The Katana line from MLCS, and the Price Cutter line from Eagle America are very good mid-level bits. MLCS and Woodline are very good value bits….Rockler, Woodriver, and Grizzly are fine too, but tend to be overpriced at regular prices after s/h. The MLCS 15 pc set is $40 shipped and is a step above most other value level brands…with sets like that available, there’s no reason to take a risk and settle for less.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Cosmicsniper

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#24 posted 714 days ago

Hey, Scott…where would you rate Bosch bits in that list?

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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lumberjoe

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#25 posted 714 days ago

FWW rated the bosch bits pretty highly in the “bargain bit” market segment. From what I have seen at my local Lowes, they are no bargain! They are only a few dollars cheaper than a Freud (not diablo) or Whitside bit. If they are substantially cheaper online, that could be a good option.

After reading a lot of posts here (mainly Knotscott’s) I have given up using cheap router bits at all. I am a fairly cheap woodworker, but after replacing bits I thought worked ok with some Infinity and Whiteside bits, I am never going back. Yes, I still cringe when opening my wallet, but my router has moved from one of my least favorite tools to the one I can’t wait to fire up.

Also, everyone (including me) thinks they need a huge router bit set when they start off. I’ve come to find there are relatively few bits I use all the time, and quite a few I would never use other than to see what it looks like (what the heck is an inside ogee for anyway??). Most people don’t really need a set of 100 or even 25 router bits.

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Doss

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#26 posted 714 days ago

I agree with Joe. You don’t necessarily need 25 or 50 or 100 router bits to start. I had a basic set and I’m usually buying bits as I need them. Sure, I miss out on some of the packaged savings, but I find that I would never use half of those profiles in the things I do.

As for quality bits, +1 on that. Like other tools, you get what you pay for. I think even more so when it comes to things that cut. Holding an edge and cutting performance are key for this tool.

Also, get 1/2” shank as much as possible as Scott said. Although, I still have never found a flush 2” tall top bearing profile bit in 1/2”. My guess is that bearing would probably end up being huge (relative to other bits).

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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Dwain

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#27 posted 714 days ago

I concur with what was said above:

1) Get a small starter kit of no more than 10 bits.
2) Always get 1/2” shanks. ALWAYS! (unless you get a “trimmer router” then 1/4” is what you have to have.)
3) Get a quality manufacturer. I commonly get the wood river brand at my local Woodcraft store. That’s about as cheap a bit as I will buy
4) By as you need, and by the best ($30.00 to $50.00 for a bit). Remember, you can have these things resharpened. There are so many different types of bit out there that you can get confused, and possibly buy what you don’t need and probably won’t use. Let you project determine the bit you need. It will make that big cabinet of bits seem less intimidating, and help you focus.
5) I am sure you will hear this. but the flush trim, round over, chamfer and ogee bits get a lot of use in my shop. They should be part of that first kit you buy if at all possible.

Of all of this advice, the most important is to buy a good small starter set, and buy for need.

Good luck. Good choice on the Bosch. I have had mine for 8 years now and it still runs great!

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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a1Jim

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#28 posted 714 days ago

I’m a Porter Cable guy even though I own 40+ routers I always end up using my “D” handle PC routers even though I own almost one of every router mentioned . Since I teach woodworking my students are always bringing in the new routers that have new features like soft start,led lighting and I like those bells and whistles a lot but having been woodworking for some time I don’t like many of the other brands out there because their parts and accessories are not readily available ,but PC accessories are . I know many folks like to buy router sets with two bases but I would suggest you buy a fixed base router and a plunge router . I have a very powerful 3 1/2 hp router in my router table but for years I use a 1 1/2 hp PC , so don’t get caught up in the “must have more power” scene . As to router bits I’m afraid I would disagree about buying cheep sets, I have bought some large cheep sets of router bits and so have my students and after 5 years of use I’ve never had them blow up or throw their carbide tips at me. I recommend buy one of these sets to see what router bits you use the most and upgrading to a high router bit for the bits you fine you use the most . A set like this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/80pc-1-2-Shank-Tungsten-Carbide-Router-Bit-Set-3-Blade-Power-Tools-Accesories-/310434985119?pt=Routers_Bits&hash=item48475df49f#ht_1000wt_1111

or this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35-ROUTER-BIT-SET-1-4-inch-CARBIDE-BITS-KIT-Shank-ALUMINUM-CASE-SAE-New-/310437310026?pt=Routers_Bits&hash=item4847816e4a

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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Handtooler

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#29 posted 714 days ago

One more point and I’m done. You need one of the PLYWOOD bits in the diameter to fit the sheet goods you use, 1/2”, 34”, etc;i if you expect dados and rabets to fit snugly.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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Purrmaster

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#30 posted 714 days ago

I was looking at this bit set as you guys recommended: http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/set15piece.html

There are a couple of bits I didn’t see in there that I think I will need: Dovetail bits, and rabbeting bits. The reason I say this is because one of the things I want to do be able to do with the router is cut grooves such as rabbets, dados, tongue and groove, etc. I don’t have a table saw so the router will be doing most of my joinery cuts.

I don’t think I’m going to be able to afford a bit that costs 50 bucks per bit.

My local big box store has some Skil bits that don’t cost too much. And I’ve read that the Harbor Freight router bits are a decent starter set (yes, laugh).

If the 15 piece set above can do the kind of joinery cuts I need I’ll order that.

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Rex B

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#31 posted 714 days ago

You can cut rabbits with a straight bit and some sort of straight-edge guide. It would be just like cutting a dado, only on the edge of the board.

Everything I’ve heard says to avoid Skil and HF bits. I’m no tool snob in any way, but you need to look at something a bit higher quality than that. I have been very happy with Rockler’s bits.

Also, I don’t know if you’ve made your decision yet, but I love my Bosch 1617EVSPK. I use it handheld and in a table very often.

-- Rex

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lumberjoe

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#32 posted 714 days ago

I agree with Rex. Also, not every “premium” router bit is 50$+. I picked up a whiteside 1/2” fluted pattern bit for around 12$. Avoid Skil, HF, and Ryobi bits. MLCS, rockler, and woodline bits are practically the same price anyway.

-- www.etsy.com/shop/KandJWoodCrafts

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knotscott

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#33 posted 714 days ago

? Look again…

”The MLCS carbide tipped 15 piece multi-purpose set is a tremendous deal!

SPECIAL EDITION SET- Our 15 piece router bit set includes:

• 4 Straight (3/8”, 1/4”, 1/2”, 3/4”)
• 1 Round Over (3/8”), 1 Cove (1/2”)
• 1 Roman Ogee (5/32”), 1 45° Chamfer
• 1 Flush Trim (1/2”), 1 Rabbeting (3/8”)
1 Dovetail (1/2” x 14°), 1 V-Groove (3/8”)
• 1 Hinge Mortising (1/2”), 1 Panel Pilot (3/8”)
• 1 Round Nose (1/4”), 1 Allen Wrench and 1 bearing to convert Round Over bit into Beading bit. Wood storage box included.”



You still may want to grab a dovetail set at some point. These small starter sets give you a good taste without shelling out big bucks….well the Whiteside set costs more, but is still a great value for that caliber of bit, though you don’t necessarily need that quality to begin with….just don’t buy something that’s more likely to harm you or be a waste of $. You can still pick up specialty bits or specialty sets as needed.

I wouldn’t suggest the HF bits, and I’d be cautious about Skil bits, plus I see no advantage with either.

Cosmic Sniper said: ”Hey, Scott…where would you rate Bosch bits in that list?”
The Bosch bits always seem so expensive that I’ve never given them a try. It’s hard for me to imagine them outperforming Whiteside, Infinity, Eagle America. If there’s a correlation, the Bosch saw blades I’ve tried have only been ok, and I’ve been unmotivated to buy more at regular prices. Just MHO.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Purrmaster

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#34 posted 714 days ago

You know, if my head wasn’t so firmly wedged up my….

Thank you for pointing that out. I’m going to order that 15 bit set immediately.

Any other sets (or individual) bits, accessories, templates, jigs, etc to recommend?

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knotscott

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#35 posted 714 days ago

Everyone’s preferences are different, but I use a thumbnail bit edge frequently.

You’ll want a panel raising set if you plan to make any cabinet doors….they can be a tad pricey, but are handy to have.

You might want to grab another roundover in a 1/8” or 3/16” size…that’s another very commonly used size. The skies the limit….buy special profiles as the need arises.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Purrmaster

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#36 posted 714 days ago

Someone said that to use jigs designed for Porter Cable routers I would need an adapter of some kind for the Bosch. Does anyone know what the part/model number for said adapter(s) is/are? And where to find them?

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Doss

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#37 posted 714 days ago

This one will work (the whole kit including the RA1100 adapter):

http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RA1125-7-Piece-Router-Template/dp/B000063XTX/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

or

Just get the adapter RA1100:
http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RA1100-Threaded-Template-Adapter/dp/B0009H5INI/ref=pd_cp_hi_0

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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Purrmaster

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#38 posted 713 days ago

I ordered the pack. Thank you!

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Handtooler

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#39 posted 713 days ago

You can’t go wrong with the MLCS products.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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nwbusa

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#40 posted 713 days ago

For a starter set, I picked up a 40 bit set from Canadian Tire, when it went on sale for $79: http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/PowerToolAccessories/RouterTablesAccessories/PRD~0546818P/Mastercraft+Maximum+Router+Bit+Set%2C+40-pc.jsp?locale=en

For about $2 a bit, I couldn’t go wrong here. They are not premium bits but they are titanium carbide edged and have a good variety to learn with.

-- John, BC, Canada

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Handtooler

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#41 posted 713 days ago

Purrmaster, be aware that Lowes is closing out all their CMT products, (most importantly the router bits and saw blades.) They will come down to a ridiculous low price, if an offer is made to the dept manager for anything you may decide to also add to your shop. some $90- 100.00 purchases as low as $13-20.00. Chattanooga was cleared out. before I got the word.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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47phord

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#42 posted 713 days ago

+1 for the Craftsman 27680. DO NOT buy your router at Harbor Freight, if you do you will go from praying to self-flagellation (trust me, I know).

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Cosmicsniper

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#43 posted 713 days ago

Thanks for the feedback, Scott. I have a few of the Bosch bits because I had a coupon at the blue store. I like them a lot, though I’m far from the expert on router bits. I like my Rocklers (I have a set for my Incra setup which I think are actually Whiteside bits) and my Freuds. I also have some HF beaters that are pure crap.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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Purrmaster

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#44 posted 712 days ago

Wow, that’s quite a sale. I’ll have to check that out tomorrow. Are those bits pretty good? Are they individual bits or sets?

And does anyone have experience with HSS bits? I’m not so interested in just saving money as I am in whether they can be made absurdly sharp.

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Handtooler

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#45 posted 712 days ago

CMT bits are considered high quality carbide bits sold seperately and I think in small sets. The Woodcraft store in Chattanooga use to sell them along with Freud and Whiteside. I had a very POOR experience with yhe Craftsman HSS bits being dull, causing burns on the work because of lack of guide bearing, using only a guide pin. They didn’t hold in the collet firmly. Please stick to the quality products. I don’t recall the Amana bits being mentioned in any of these Blog entries, but I understand they are very high quality professional production bits sold seperately

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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Purrmaster

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#46 posted 712 days ago

I intend to get to primarily carbide bits. I just wondered if I could pick up some ultra sharp HSS bits to see what they can do. I read an article on sharpening router bits and it sounds difficult. I’m used to using scary sharp in some form or another.

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#47 posted 712 days ago

HSS bits will dull quickly. Someone more knowledgeable than me my chime in, but I can only think of 2 reasons to use them:

1 – If you have the skill, you can sharpen them. Sharpening carbide is a whole nother animal
2 – HSS is technically stronger than carbide, but it dulls quicker. Carbide is much harder, thus holds an edge a lot longer – but that makes it brittle compared to HSS. While not a router bit, a forstner bit can be some what comparable here. I prefer HSS forstner bits to carbide because I have heard stories of carbide forstner bits grenading where an HSS probably would not. Also I can sharpen forstner bits, but cannot sharpen anything carbide.

There really isn’t a case I can think of where I would completely bury a router bit and need the additional strength of HSS though. Multiple light passes does the trick.

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#48 posted 712 days ago

I too own the bosch 1617 set and love it. I also have the porter cable, milwaukee, ridgid 2 hp routers but the bosch is my favorite.. I have looked at the MRC23EVSK and the only advantage I see is the light if you need it. The 1617 model has held up very well for me and always seems to be the one I reach for.

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#49 posted 711 days ago

How hard is it to sharpen router bits? I did a little reading and it sounds… pretty iffy. On the other hand, any cutting tool does need to be sharpened from time to time.

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#50 posted 711 days ago

Well, if you’ve ever sharpened a knife, a handplane, or a chainsaw chain freehand, you’ll know exactly how iffy it is. :-)

It can be done of course. It just would take a steady hand and some know-how as to what the angle of the profile needs to be at.

Straight-bits are easy, but on any expensive or custom profiles, I wouldn’t mind sending it someplace for a few bucks each time if you are unsure.

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