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IS IT OLD AGE,DYSLEXIA, CARELESSNESS OR WHAT ?

by a1Jim
posted 08-24-2012 08:15 PM


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#1 posted 08-24-2012 08:26 PM

Diagnosis is OLD.DD LOL! Not dyslexia. The other thing I’ve added to this is Charles’ statement “Measure three times, then sneek up on it!” :-)

Old developmental disorder, just thought it up, but accurate, for me ‘cause I’m always forgetting the recent stuff.

Oh maybe you were referring to dementia. :-)

Oh yeah, be patient with you?

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#2 posted 08-24-2012 08:35 PM

Welcome to the Old Age Club!

Nowadays one cannot rely on memory… you have to write everything down… and remember where you wrote it… in the shop one must dry fit, check, & dry fit again… just to be sure… Every move… every cut… must be rehearsed making sure nothing gets in the way of the cut… etc. etc.

Take your TIME!

DO NOT RUSH the job… no matter how SIMPLE you think it is…

Again, welcome to the club! LOL

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#3 posted 08-24-2012 08:36 PM

A picture helps me keep things striahgt.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#4 posted 08-24-2012 08:37 PM

This kind of stuff happens to me. It is why I have four Starrett rulers lying around the shop, since I always misplace tools in a shop a little bigger than a one car garage. I bought a cheap HVLP spray gun today in Lowes, then got home and remembered that I had one in storage I’d never used. Duh…
We all have bad days, and as we get older, it is good to remember that our minds will not be as sharp, it becomes harder to take the cap off a new bottle of mountain dew, (no, they didn’t screw them on harder…), and sometimes, you just have to walk away and rest a while, let your mind catch up.

Today I was working on a really hard guitar, and had it hanging in my shop as the wipe on grain enhancer dried prior to shooting on the lacquer. Even though I know this position in my shop, all the guitars hang there sooner or later, sure as God made little green apples I managed to knock it off its hanger, and only pure luck let me catch it as it nicked one of my bench vices on the way down. Little sanding, another coat of grain enhancer, off we go again. But I left the shop, as I knew I was getting tired and more mistakes would certainly happen if I pushed forward.
Man’s just got to know his limitations…

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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#5 posted 08-24-2012 08:37 PM

I do stuff like that on every project!
But I’m old so I can get away with it!

-- Tony C , My high school shop teacher said "You can do it"... Now I can't stop!

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#6 posted 08-24-2012 08:53 PM

Thanks for your input guys very helpful,now I know I’m not the only guy pulling these kind of stunts.

Good save on the guitar Paul

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#7 posted 08-24-2012 09:03 PM

That is when it is time to grab a beer and suspend work for that day and attack it tomorrow. I do it a lot. It must be a wood worker’s thing, but that makes you very good at recovery!!

Jim, you’re one of US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......................Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#8 posted 08-24-2012 09:07 PM

Yeah, not only am I getting older, I am lysdexic too. Too easily I’ll see a dimension like 32” and measure out 23”. Not only that, the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases. Another name for entropy is disorder, and in my shop, disorder is always greater toward the end of a project. This makes it more likely that I’ll pick up the wrong part to cut or use a tool thinking it’s set for one cut, but it was actually set for another. I always buy enough stock to make 5 legs for a 4 leg table, and have more than one table top that was cut the wrong size just waiting for me to make another set of legs with shorter aprons.

Remember that for old woodworkers, there’s only a plane shaving or two between “dimension” and “dementia”!

-- SteveL

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#9 posted 08-24-2012 09:12 PM

Jim, I too am getting a bit long in the tooth.

I’ve learned that between your #4 and #5 rules I have to add #4a: lay everything together as well as possible and MARK the sides to be cut so if you see the marks it means you can safely cut!

I have a nice shop cabinet I made that is just beautiful, made from AC plywood.. too bad all the “A” sides are on the inside and all the “C” sides are visible!

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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#10 posted 08-24-2012 09:26 PM

When I do something like that I do not blame it on old age ( even if I am old ) but on little too much wine.
Jim do like me: blame the wine.

-- Bert

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#11 posted 08-24-2012 09:36 PM

or do like me and not mention it to anybody…

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#12 posted 08-24-2012 09:49 PM

You don’t have to be dyslexic to make those kind of mistakes Jim. We all do wrong stuff like you described. I think we are sometimes just not paying enough attention to the task at hand. It happens to everyone (especially me).

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#13 posted 08-24-2012 09:52 PM

I have found that when I am working from a plan or sketch I have to leave notes to myself as if I was writing for a dimwitted stranger. Even then I find myself challenging my own thought process, because I cannot remember how I arrived at that conclusion.

Don’t feel bad about it Jim, I think we have all had days when everything we touch seems to go sideways.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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#14 posted 08-24-2012 10:05 PM

That happens to me quite frequently since my brain bypass surgery.

-- If retiring is having the time to be able to do what you enjoy then I have always been retired.

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#15 posted 08-24-2012 10:08 PM

“That happens to me quite frequently since my brain bypass surgery.”

I love it.

-- Bert

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#16 posted 08-24-2012 10:59 PM

Good to here from you Steve.Wow that all sounds very familiar been there done that. I glad you cleared up some of those definitions for me.:))
I agree whole heartily Dallas with your addions to my list, I usally do those things but forgot to include them to my list.
To late Lee Jk :))
Yea Mike I think you right it sure showed up in this project.
Richard I’ve done the same thing too not remembering how I came up with the process I’m using.
Greg I think I had the same by pass,but I forget???
The beer and wine thing won’t work since I don’t drink. but I get both of your ideas.

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#17 posted 08-24-2012 11:01 PM

Jim; I myself make mistakes, due to being to comfortable with making the 100th similar project. But I have found that by playing music in the shop helps my mind concentrate more on the project. The type of music I play all depends on how I am feeling that day. I have a large selection of country, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, classical, blues, etc…
Hope this helps.
Don

-- Flaws are only in the eye of the artisan!

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#18 posted 08-24-2012 11:04 PM

Thanks Don It’s worth a try.

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#19 posted 08-24-2012 11:07 PM

“The beer and wine thing won’t work since I don’t drink. but I get both of your ideas.”

Jim, you probably should start to drink, you would have an excuse.

-- Bert

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#20 posted 08-24-2012 11:47 PM

Sure you weren’t overdosed on Topamax by and idiot calling himself a Dr.? We all make occasional mistakes or have an occasional day, but I’m finally coming out of it ;-)

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#21 posted 08-24-2012 11:58 PM

It happens to me too. Makes for some confusing times. I can still put in a good days work, but it takes me a week to do it.

-- I still have all my fingers

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#22 posted 08-24-2012 11:59 PM

Jim …..Shhhhh!!!!.....somebody might hear you!

-- Joe - - - something witty should go here - - -

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#23 posted 08-25-2012 12:05 AM

I have trouble, a great deal of trouble, reading plans. I have great diffeculty seperating the parts of a drawing. It all moves around as one enity. It does not happen every time but I never kinow when it will occur.

Do you know what a fellow that is an agnostic, dyslexic and an insomniac does?

He sits up all night wondering if there really is a doG.

-- Jerry

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#24 posted 08-25-2012 01:37 AM

most days i can make my measurements and cut good.like saturday i mis cut a board and i still swear the measurement was 24 1/2 not 28 1/2.then after 2 more mistakes on the same piece i was trying to fit i called it a day and went inside.

-- Marty.Athens,AL

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#25 posted 08-25-2012 01:52 AM

LOL, Jim. It takes me 4 hours jus to figure out what I’m tryin ta figure out to start with. hahahaa

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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#26 posted 08-25-2012 01:55 AM

Maybe you are just looking upfield before the ball is in your hands. Your mind gets ahead of the task at hand because you’ve done it a million times. Don’t you hear the coach in your head? Dammit! Fundamentals Jim! Look the ball into your hands, then turn upfield!

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#27 posted 08-25-2012 02:38 AM

Yep, happens to all of us. Ever notice how the underside of some of my box tops look better than the top? Well, that certainly wasn’t by design!

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#28 posted 08-25-2012 02:49 AM

#4 (don’t get in a hurry) is always my downfall and it seems to occur more frequently on projects that I presume to be simple, shop projects because I tend to get rushed, take things for granted, and don’t double check.

On the other hand, if I am heavily invested into an expensive piece of lumber or a long complex project, then I am more likely to double and triple check before I make an incorrect cut.

You would think after too many years of making this same mistake over and over again, I would finally remember the words my Dad tried to teach me oh so many years ago: “If you don’t have time to do it right the first time, how in the h… are you going to find the time to fix it later?”

-- Greg, Severn MD

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#29 posted 08-25-2012 02:56 AM

Thanks to everyone—you’ve made my day by sharing that I’m not the Lone Ranger in the memory bypass department.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#30 posted 08-25-2012 03:14 AM

Jim, I think you were doomed from the beginning when you thought it would be a 20 minute job. And because of that, you broke all those rules. Take a break and know that the next day will be better my friend.

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#31 posted 08-25-2012 03:19 AM

I can relate to what you call a disorder.
Just as I am typing this I made a mistake by thinking too much ahead ,I typed the letter after the one that I should have typed ,too much in a hurry.
The same happens on a project a times .
In my shop I have started to put things back in their place after each use to keep things organized and visible but the SQUIRREL in my shop my right hand man has a tendency to put things away for me and can’t remember where he put them ,to be honest he does not exist and it is my right hand and brain farts that should be blamed for this .
I have also noticed that when I drive to work and someone asks what I saw on the way I have no idea ,
what is that all about, ADD?
On the other hand I can design a project laying in bed half asleep and go in the shop and it will be a complete success.
You are not alone as stated above many times and you will figure out how to overcome this condition on your own ,I have had much success with slowing down,organizing and trying to stay focused on my project .
Just walk away and relax can be a good thing !!!!

-- Kiefer 松

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#32 posted 08-25-2012 03:58 AM

At some point I started to think my small tools should be in a different drawer or a different tool box to be better organized. I moved things all around and the tools were hidden very well. After several months I was able to regroup to the original. I posted a note near the bench not to try that again, I do sometimes get the urge to move things again so I leave the note in place. Chalk is my firend, I write big notes on projects parts like inside and outside face etc.

-- Jim, Missouri

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#33 posted 08-25-2012 04:12 AM

Thanks guys I’m sorry some of you have encountered the same mistakes that I had made on this project .
It looks like we need a club ,during our meetings we start by saying” I’m a woodworker and I messed up, but I can do better ” LOL

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#34 posted 08-25-2012 05:27 AM

Jim – awhile back I was putting the finishing toe-kick/legs on a cabinet. I was mitering the corners and it took me, I swear FIVE times (and five pieces of wood) before I FINALLY cut both ends of the front toe-kick the right direction and thus the right lenght. For four cuts I cut the two end parallel, and thus too short to recut the right way. And I’m only 45.

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#35 posted 08-25-2012 06:47 AM

This post has made my day! I can relate to this so much, and I am 37 LOL. Can I join your club?

“I have found that when I am working from a plan or sketch I have to leave notes to myself as if I was writing for a dimwitted stranger. Even then I find myself challenging my own thought process, because I cannot remember how I arrived at that conclusion”

Richard, I do this exact thing all the time. Glad I’m not the only one.

Thanks for this post Jim

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#36 posted 08-25-2012 07:09 AM

Jim I find that this happenes to me all the time sometimes real bad. Due to my (Epilepsy) my short time memory has been really effected. You would not believe how notes that I have stuck everywhere in my shop and my office. Funny thing sometimes I forget what section i placed the note… LOL

-- Tim, Missouri ....Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the heck happened

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#37 posted 08-25-2012 07:19 AM

Eagle1, It might be your Epilepsy meds? When I was on 400 mg of Topamax, I couldn’t remember things long enough to get them written down! ;-(

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#38 posted 08-25-2012 10:25 AM

Yep I can relate, it was just on one of my bandsaw projects, in the middle of cutting out the drawers and I had my lines drawn on the wood wrong thus the cut went amiss, it was a glue up of Alder that’s added to my scrap pile of mistakes. I get lucky most of the time and am able to make repairs but not on this one.

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#39 posted 08-25-2012 11:40 AM

I am dyslexic, ambidextrous (except to write) and I have Asperger syndrome.
I mix left and right, top and bottom all the time.
Even If I mark my pieces, when to comes time to cut them , I think that I marked them wrong because of the way my brain process what it sees, ( when in fact they are marked correctly) so I want t correct a non-existent mistake and I end up cutting them wrong.
In my case my brain has a hard time processing abstract things, images and symmetries.

-- Bert

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#40 posted 08-25-2012 11:56 AM

Gee whiz, Jim.
Things like you describe never happen to me. But then, I’m an epxert and I stayed at a Comfort Inn, once.
Putting up trim yesterday, 3 times I measured the trim either 1” short or 1” long. Cut the 45 on the wrong side at least twice. Friday was NOT a good day.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#41 posted 08-25-2012 12:11 PM

Now, what was the question?

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#42 posted 08-25-2012 12:39 PM

Sorry Jim, but I think it’s probably Ol’ Timers’ disease. I know it well. This past week I wanted to cut a board 22 ½ – and even measured twice, which I rarely do. It got cut at 21 ½.

I saw it and simply turned off the lights and walked out of the shop disgusted with myself.

-- John from Horse Shoe

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#43 posted 08-25-2012 12:58 PM

Jim

It is CRAFT syndrome

Cant Remember A Flipping Thing

Welcome to the club. :)

jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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#44 posted 08-25-2012 12:59 PM

Ya did what, the thread is too long to remember what the question/issue was :)

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#45 posted 08-25-2012 01:39 PM

Jim, I have been an admirer of yours for some time. I have seen some of the truly stunning work you have put out. I know you think you are not on the bubble on some of these “easy” projects but I disagree. I believe the challenge is gone and your mind is on other things. No grain direction, no laminates, no miters, no golden rule. Hell buddy, you kicked your mind into neutral and just coasted a little. No biggie, I bet if the piece was for sale that those “mistakes” would not have happened.
Later,
Doug in AZ.

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#46 posted 08-25-2012 02:23 PM

I can’t remember why I’m reading this post…...................:)
Bill

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#47 posted 08-25-2012 02:31 PM

Dyankee
I feel your pain but I know you have this woodworking thing handled when your the winner of two stumpy Nubs awards:))
Albachippi
Only 37 and your fighting the “how I arrived at that conclusion” syndrome ? I hope things inprove rather than go down hill when you get older.
Bert boy do I feel your pain I fight that stuff all the time.
Gene say it isn’t so :))
Roger I forget?
John sometimes you just have to surrender
Jamie flipping things suck :))
Charles What are do here this thread is about making mistakes ,I don’t think you ever made one of those :))
Doug thanks for the kind words, WOW “neutral ” you say ,I never thought of it that way, I just hope I have a couple years left before I have a totally blown transmission LOL
Bill what Post
? :))

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#48 posted 08-25-2012 04:29 PM

I was going to blame alzheimer’s for my problems, but I found that my insurance does not cover that, so I have
to settle for oldtimers, but I think I am too young for that so I guess I will just wander out to the workshop
and play until I remember what I was supposed to be doing.

-- As ever, Gus-the 75 yr young apprentice carpenter

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#49 posted 08-25-2012 05:23 PM

My vocabulary is getting worse every day. Good thing my shop is away from other’s ears. I’m 77 and I make mistakes all the time. It’s just a matter of taking your time and keeping stress at bay. If you feel any bit of stress, that’s the time to quit for the day. Age and patience don’t go well together. If I’m interupted in the middle of what I’m doing, like a phone call, it stresses me to the point that I can’t continue working. I fumble a lot these days. I drop screws on the floor and have to crawl around to locate them, accompanied with a lot of high volume %#&$.

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#50 posted 08-25-2012 05:40 PM

It’s called coffin dodger syndrome…..perfectly normal and nothing to worry about.

-- chris, north wales http://salemchapelfurniture.co.uk/

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