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Lifting heavy stuff in the shop

by b2rtch
posted 741 days ago


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a1Jim

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#1 posted 741 days ago

Hi Bert
I don’t have a set up like this but I would be careful what can of load I put on your rafters or joist if you have a upstairs. I agree having something to help lift heavy objects would be great but a 660-1300 load could be a problem.

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Dan Krager

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#2 posted 741 days ago

Hi Bert.
I haven’t done such a thing in my shop but I’ve worked in shops where such lifts exist. The slickest and strongest ones ( you want one rated for at least 1 ton and some older machines are much heavier) have a hoist mounted on a trolley running on an I-beam sitting on iron posts bolted to the floor. Usually the beam is clear span from wall to wall. The most versatile ones that cover most of the shop floor have two additional trollies. The lift beam is mounted to a trolley at each end which run on another set of I-beams running the full length of the shop, giving an X-Y movement, and the hoist gives the Z axis movement.

http://www.hoistsdirect.com/
This page seems to have every conceivable lift option. For a quick overview, mouse over the logo patch and each logo brings up a different kind of lift.

I’ve been reading about how muscles change with age. There can be plenty of muscle mass, but your nervous system gets wacked out so that 10 lbs feels like 20 or more. It takes a LOT more focus to lift the heavies. And the used up muscle takes longer to restore. Ibuprofen is my friend.

Good luck and be safe.
Dan

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GMman

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#3 posted 741 days ago

Hey Bert 63 you’re just a kid lol
HF have them at a very good price.

Better be safe than sorry go for it Bert.

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Moron

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#4 posted 741 days ago

I built something similar and like A1Jim says…….be careful you dont put to much load of the trusses/rafters. I put a steel I Beam from one side to the other supported on posts (with a footing) and could slide the hoist back and forth.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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Fred Hargis

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#5 posted 741 days ago

Such a hoist would be good on a steel frame and track, or similar. But I would not fasten that to anything on the structure of a wood frame building. I use an engine hoist for lifting that stuff….to be sure it’s not nearly as handy as an overhead wench, but it still works fairly well (and it only cost $130).

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, we sent 'em to Washington.

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AandCstyle

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#6 posted 741 days ago

Bert, I have and use a shop crane from HF. They also have one rated for 2 tons. I am not certain if it would meet your needs or not, but it is cost effective, somewhat portable and will not strain your rafters/joists. I especially appreciate the portability factor, in that, I can use it to unload an item from my truck, set it on a dolly, then move the crane and item to my shop then lift the item off the dolly and set it in place. HTH

-- Art

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Bluepine38

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#7 posted 741 days ago

Art’s idea is the same one I had, except you would have to check the width on the cranes feet to make sure
it could straddle your shop machinery. I am also having a bit of problem with items getting heavier as I get
older, and the doctors keep getting younger.

-- As ever, Gus-the 75 yr young apprentice carpenter

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Loren

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#8 posted 741 days ago

I don’t recommend using one of those electric hoists for this.

I have a similar (smaller) electiric hoist and it lifts and lowers
much faster than I want when lifting cast iron machines…
it’s very tricky to control and moving something up or down
a half inch is not really possible. The hoist runs with a 1700 rpm
motor with a clutch to slow it down on one end and a gearbox
on the other. The gearbox is really not geared down a lot
though so the hoist reel turns quickly.

I bought a manual chain fall hoist and I get a lot more control
with it. Plus it can lift a lot more than the electric one I have
and was much less money to buy it.

If you intend to move machines a lot, I recommend you get an
engine hoist. Such a hoist can help you load and unload
machines to and from vehicles as well as be brought into
the shop.

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mtenterprises

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#9 posted 741 days ago

I use an engine crane, cherry picker, for the things I can’t lift by hand. And when it’s not in use you can extend the boom fully and hang a hammock from it.
MIKE

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Jeremy Greiner

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#10 posted 741 days ago

I have the same shop crane as Art (AandCStyle) and have used it to lift every tool in my shop at least once. It even handled lifting my Hammer A3-31 off the pallet and held it in the air for me to add the mobile base to the bottom.

I don’t use the shop crane very often because most of my stuff is on wheels, but when I do need it I’m very glad I have it. It has a pretty small foot print, and you could keep it outside in a shed if you wanted it totally out of the way while not in use (if you don’t use it often).

Also as a safety precaution, whenever I lift anything major like that I just make sure someone else is in the garage with me, I just have this fear that something bad will happen and the machine will fall on me and pin me to the ground unable to call for help. A little fear is a good thing sometimes I think, prevents us from doing stupid things.

-jeremy

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b2rtch

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#11 posted 741 days ago

I am not a fan of cherry pickers, I use one at work from time to time and IMO they suck.
I would rather use an electric hoist , if it is too fast for good control it is easy to rig it with four parts of line (I worked on cranes 15 years of my life). The problem is that I still have nothing to hang it.
I realize this morning that not only I have ceiling lights in the way but I also have the garage door in the way.
The other solution would be to have A frame or a gantry.
Where would I out it when I do not use it?

-- Bert

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zzzzdoc

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#12 posted 741 days ago

I may have the exact same unit. It’s been invaluable lifting my jointer/planer, bandsaw, and table saw onto their bases.

Highly recommended.

-- Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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b2rtch

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#13 posted 741 days ago

The main issue with cherry pickers is that they lift on and lower on an arc, not straight up and down. A hoist goes straight and down , this is why I prefer a hoist.

-- Bert

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juniorjock

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#14 posted 741 days ago

If you double the cable on a hoist, it will slow the lifting to a more manageable speed. If you use a single cable, it is way too fast to be comfortable with. The double cable just about doubles the lifting weight too.

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Jerry

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#15 posted 741 days ago

We use the engine lift others refer to. But the chain hoist is a great option, we used those all the time in the Navy.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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b2rtch

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#16 posted 740 days ago

I have a chain hoist but I have nothing to hang it.
For now I believe that my only solution it the cherry picker, I would prefer an electric hoist but I have nothing to hang it from.
Another issue the cherry picker: this is one more thing to find room to store.

-- Bert

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Sylvain

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#17 posted 740 days ago

chain hoist in combination with cherry picker = no arc lifting problem

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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Jerry

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#18 posted 740 days ago

The problem I see with cherry pickers as in our case, the lift can only go so high and if the machine is taller it is difficult to lift something heavy into our tail gate or off of the tail gate. Otherwise I have made it work for our situations.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Jerry

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#19 posted 740 days ago

There is one from harbor freight that folds up, I think. We use the 2 ton version from harbor freight.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Fred Hargis

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#20 posted 740 days ago

All your points are valid and with my engine hoist, even folded up it has a fair size footprint. But after considering everything, it was far cheaper than any of the other alternatives.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, we sent 'em to Washington.

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Mainiac Matt

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#21 posted 740 days ago

I’ve borrowed a fold up Harbor Freight engine hoist in the past and it works well, but requires a fair amount of space.

J-bars and furniture dollies come in handy…

A tough Ukranian wife comes in handy as well :^)

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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Jamie Speirs

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#22 posted 740 days ago

Art I use the same

I moved all my machinery with that

and a 500kg trolley It also meant that

I could pick machines out of the back of

the van or trailer.

Jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Tedstor

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#23 posted 740 days ago

Just to be a jerk, I’ll add a couple possible options since the electric hoist might not work out??
Hydraulic Lift Table:
-Would make loading/unloading from trucks and vans a lot easier.
-100% mobile.
- A task such as removing/installing a variety of machines from thier stands would be doable since the table height is variable.
- The table could also be used as, well, a table when not commisioned for its primary duty.

Pallet Jack:
If you forsee yourself doing a lot machine restoration, you could always put the machine on a pallet and score a used pallet jack off craigslist.

Motorcycle Dolly: Fasten a peice of 3/4” ply onto the dolly.

Gallows rack: I have one in my shop. Unfortunately, I placed it in a terrible location, so its value is limited. However, if placed and built appropriately, it might be used in tandem with the other options I mentioned to prevent a sore back. See my page for a pic.

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pierce85

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#24 posted 740 days ago

Bert,

If you have room for it, a portable gantry crane (as you mention) would seem to be ideal. Here’s one of several that Northern Industrial sells:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200356723_200356723

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b2rtch

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#25 posted 740 days ago

I already have the hydraulic lift table( I use it very often , I made a very handy adapter to bring my sheet-good to my TS) I have considered the gantry and really this is what I would like, I just do not have the room.
I believe that for right now the best solution is the cherry picker

Thank you all for your help.

-- Bert

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b2rtch

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#26 posted 739 days ago

What about bolting something like this to the floor?

-- Bert

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James Gallo

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#27 posted 737 days ago

I have a hoist that is similar to the one you posted. I bought it at Northern Tool for around $110. I am not sure of its rating, but I have it mounted to a pipe spanned thru two roof joists in the storage area above my garage. I use it to lift heavy and bulky items up into and down out of the attic storage area thru a trap door, because the only access that I have to that space is pull down attic stairs.
However, I wanted to use it to lift my Unisaw off of its mobile base so that I could place a 2 1/8” thick wood base into the mobile base to gain more heighth for my Uni.
It would not lift the saw out of the base, not even an inch of lift, it just bogged and stopped.
Make sure you get one rated above the heaviest item that you wish to lift. I wish I would have.

Jim

-- Jg, Pittsburgh

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b2rtch

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#28 posted 737 days ago

Jim, look at this, first I underloaded my Unisaw off my trailer all by myself and then I also lifted it from the ground all by myself,

I am now working on a 600 pounds jointer that I unloaded and I move all by myself

-- Bert

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James Gallo

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#29 posted 737 days ago

Bert,
I’m still trying to figure out how the heck you did that. I have to study the pics more, but that is truly amazing to me. You are incredibly smart to be able to come up with that idea.
Jim

-- Jg, Pittsburgh

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hhhopks

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#30 posted 736 days ago

The support system for your hoist is critical.

I would like to hang it from my 10’ ceiling on a circular mount or may be on an arm from the wall so that I can pick a load, put it on my work table and then when finished put it back on the base.

I understand you want to maximize the area coverage. The canter level effect will require requires substantial support. It appears you are hanging off your basement/garage ceiling. That will need to be evaluated as well. Unless you are familiar with loading requirement you should consider having a qualify person to look at it. Just want you to be safe.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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b2rtch

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#31 posted 736 days ago

Jim, thank you for the nice compliment.
I have been working by my-self on heavy equipment and off-shore drilling rigs for 45 years, I did rigging and crane operator; I learned a few thing.

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HHHOPKS, I have a shop I built a few years back , I am now looking at jib cranes.

-- Bert

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hhhopks

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#32 posted 730 days ago

Here’s one you might want to consider. It does take up a bit of space.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tls/3212974424.html

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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b2rtch

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#33 posted 730 days ago

it would not fit in my shop, thanks anyway

-- Bert

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Oldelm

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#34 posted 730 days ago

We did some work that required a straight lift so we used a 1 ton capacity chain fall on a cherry picker. It solved the arc problem and the lift speed (going down) of the picker and the whole rig was mobil and portable. Take care when lifting I did it for years and now I am paying for every pound.

Jim

-- Jim, Missouri

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BernieMay

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#35 posted 729 days ago

i have the same one. i use it to lift stuff into my attic. It moves quickly. I would recommend a come-along or chain hoist if you want precision lifting.

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fredrodriguez22

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#36 posted 604 days ago

I agree with the opinion that states the older you get, the lesser weight you should be lifting, regardless of the number of years of lifting experience you have had. We might think that we are able to do it but physically, our body might not be able to handle it, and serious injuries could surface. Lifting mechanisms are useful to assist in lifting heavy objects but ensure that they are stable and strong enough to lift the load that you have. Else, accidents can also arise. It is better to buy it from a hardware store rather than DIY which can be dangerous if not properly assembled.

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