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#1 posted 762 days ago

Bert, bert, bert calm down. None of it hurts you. Go with the flow my son…

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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#2 posted 762 days ago

” Go with the flow my son”
I never do.
By the way I am not your son and in fact I probably could be your father, not that I would want to.

-- Bert

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#3 posted 762 days ago

12 of 13 forums are dedicated to woodworking. Get over it and ignore the sections you have no interest in. A little self control goes a long way to a positive outlook on life. Do what feels good and stay away from that which doesn’t make you feel good. Be an adult…

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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#4 posted 762 days ago

@B2rtch: Presumably then, we’ll never see another comment from you in a non-woodworking thread again. Talk the talk, walk the walk. Deal?

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#5 posted 762 days ago

BLOCK’D YA
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/39922

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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#6 posted 762 days ago

Trool hunter, thank you for blocking me.
I am happy about that

-- Bert

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#7 posted 762 days ago

Bert, Bert, Bert -
Why in the world are you beating this poor horse again. It’s been settled that the management will permit such discussions and has even take steps to make them inconspicuous. Despite that, there are some who make the effort to find these discussions just so they can post their objections. It’s been said many more times than should have been needed, but If you don’t like it don’t look for it. If you just find it too intolerable to take, go start your own website and run it as you please.

In the future, please refrain from statements like “We, the woodworkers…...” Unless I say so, you don’t speak for me and I really dislike your presumption that you do.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#8 posted 762 days ago

I am one of those WOODworkers and I do enjoy the give and take of opinion. I have excellent self control, thank you very much, and don’t feel that I (we) disrupt the site as long as the discussions remain here. I said that these threads were inconspicuous, not conspicuous – and they are compared to other sites I frequent.

So yes, I get it. At least the part about some people believing that they have some inherent right to control others. Look in a mirror if you aren’t sure who I’m talking about.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#9 posted 762 days ago

Many very good people and woodworkers already left the site became of this junk. I miss them and this is our loss.
This site should be about wood working only.
“If you don’t like it don’t look for it”
I do not look for it , it is there, right in my face.

-- Bert

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#10 posted 762 days ago

The owner of the site though apparently thinks there’s a place for non shop discussions. No matter what type of board I belong to, from cars to technical engineering stuff, there’s a place for non shop talk. Even though most of us will never meet each other in person, sharing a hobby with folks, you grow a personal bond – at least I do. I find it enjoyable to talk about things other than the wood as well. If you don’t like it, don’t participate. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what kind of stunted maturity repetitively brings this up. It’s obnoxious and in the end – you have no say what so ever. It’s not your site. We’re all guests here.

-- IZZZZZI BoB IZZZZZI

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#11 posted 762 days ago

Bert, bert, bert define many. Name at least five that have left because of nonshop talk. Five isn’t too much for many…is it?

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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#12 posted 762 days ago

Bert -
The owner apparently doesn’t agree with your idea about the purpose of this site. Do you get the idea that it’s his decision to make and not yours? We’re all guests here. Would you go to some one’s home and bitch and moan about the way the run their household? Isn’t this site a similar thing?

“This site should only be about woodworking” is a lament that’s been going on for several months and Martin hasn’t made any changes – as is his right as the owner. He has at least taken steps to make non-shop threads somewhat inconspicuous (other sites don’t even do that much), but that doesn’t seem to satisfy those of you who want him to run it your way. I must confess to being completely mystified by people who take deliberate action to get to a place for the sole purpose of complaining about its existence.

Why can’t you use this site like the rest of us – participate in what interests us and ignore what doesn’t?

As I said earlier, if you find this site intolerable, start one of your own and run it however you want. Who knows, you may even attract some of the “many” who have left LJ’s.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#13 posted 762 days ago

Bert I completely agree with you. This once great website is being ruined.

-- Stuart

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#14 posted 762 days ago

Katdaddy -
Believe it or not, I agree with part of your last post – the part about it being a decision for the site owner. I suspect that Martin and his moderators are aware of these discussions and have chosen to ignore them. But, maybe I’m wrong.

So post your complaints and see if things change. If they do, you win. If they don’t, will you puh-leeze drop it?

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#15 posted 762 days ago

When I start paying to use this site….....

Then I can bitch about the content

MANY more positives than negatives

-- We must all walk our own green mile

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#16 posted 762 days ago

Kat-
Actually, I was a member for quite a while before I first posted in a non-shop thread. My participation in them runs hot and cold depending on my interest level in whatever’s being discussed. With the exception of the past week or so, I believe that the majority of my posts have been more on-topic than off.

That said, I wonder just who the hell you think you are to make any assumptions about my reasons for being here!! The one’s you gave are wrong and the right ones are none of your damned business!! I’m under no obligation to justify myself to you.

Glad to see that you cast your “vote”. I’m not going to cast any votes because I’ll accept and participate in this site with or without non-shop talk. Since you didn’t answer, I’ll ask again. If you have your “election” and nothing changes, will you drop the subject – or continue sniveling?

Totally outside this discussion, my oldest daughter is named Kathy and I call her Kat. I guess I’m a katdaddy, too. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#17 posted 762 days ago

Bert I think your a good guy and consider you a friend but in the past there use to be the coffee lounge now referred to as Non-shop talk and It almost became the down fall of LJs escalating to the point of having hard core Porn being posted over and over as a form of retaliation for issues brought up in the coffee lounge, At that point Martin closed the coffee lounge and then folks would post what ever they wanted in the main forums, For this reason I think it’s best to keep Non-shop talk and let the people who wish to post all of the non woodworking topics there ,all I would wish is that all of those topics stay in Non shop talk. I too come here to enjoy woodworking ,so for the most part, I would not miss non shop talk if it were gone even though there have been times I have participated in some of it’s topics.There are Members that enjoy those topics so lets just let them keep those topics were it belongs in Non shop talk. I would suggest you just turn off the non-woodworking post by going to the pulse page and clicking on “hide off title topics”

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#18 posted 762 days ago

I dont understand why people dont realize the more posts the more money the site owner makes from ads, of course they want to maximize the posts.

Want a website your way, register a domain name, pay for the server and design it. It’s really pretty simple.

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#19 posted 762 days ago

Everyone should take Jim’s reasonable and thoughtful advise.

He is absolutely correct….....IMHO

-- We must all walk our own green mile

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#20 posted 762 days ago

Non shop talk is clearly delinated – if you don’t like the non shop forums, then don’t go in them.

-- http://thecraftsmanstudio.com

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#21 posted 762 days ago

“hide off title topics”
Jim, I did not know about this option.
Thank you for telling me.

-- Bert

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#22 posted 762 days ago

It is too simplistic to say if you don’t like them don’t look at them, and I don’t see why I should be forced to have to modify my settings because of a small minority of contributors. I do not see what value these posts have – they are profoundly negative, they do not contribute to intelligent debate, but they are sullying this site. It is like going to your favorite bar only to find it is full of a bunch of loud, drunken yuppies. They think they are having a wonderful time, but in reality they are just boring and obnoxious and spoiling the experience for everyone else.

-- Stuart

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#23 posted 762 days ago

” It is like going to your favorite bar only to find it is full of a bunch of loud, drunken yuppies. ”

Making more money for the bar owner….

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#24 posted 762 days ago

I remember cr1 and sorta miss him, actually. Some of his posts were totally off the wall, but he was often entertaining. I even engaged him a few times and figure that I about broke even.

Yes, there are posters who are immediately recognizable and I generally pass them by. They’re annoying and strident, but they certainly don’t “control” the site. Influencing a website is a long way from controlling it. Personally, I find the StumpyNubs threads annoying because he seems to be promoting his website rather than really participating in any ongoing discussions. The “Handplanes of Your Dreams” thread seems pointless beyond words to me. If folks want to be part of those more power to them, but they aren’t for me. I just skip past and find something I’m interested in.

There are others, however, that I’ve debated and will continue to debate. Although I disagree with them, I find their posts rational, well reasoned, and – for the most part – well presented. Some of them have caused me to re-think my own positions when they’ve presented a point of view I hadn’t thought of. I like to think I’ve had the same effect once in a while.

The non-shop part of this site gives us an opportunity to “know” someone beyond the confines of a woodshop and I really enjoy that. We can’t breath sawdust all the time. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#25 posted 762 days ago

I enjoy a lot of these bull shit “Non shop talk” sessions. Takes my mind off my newly operated hand and also gives me new ideas of what make when my hand gets better. Keep up the good work fellow LJ’s

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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#26 posted 762 days ago

Two things.
One, when the coffee lounge was closed those people still posted all the random stuff, they just did it in the woodworking sections. That’s why, I believe, it was opened back up; keep it all contained.

Two, it seems really odd to me for someone to say. “I come here to this free site, ran and paid for by others. But I feel I should have the right to prevent others from speaking here because I don’t like what they say. Why should I have to look past there post, they should just be prevented from posting and then I won’t have to be bothered by it”

That is all

-- www.newageneanderthal.blogspot.com . @NANeanderthal on twitter

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#27 posted 762 days ago

There are enough places on the internet for the whack jobs to post their rants, just read the comments to any news article posted on Yahoo. It is very simple, if I want to read political debates I go to political websites, if I want to read about the latest conspiracy theory I go to the tin foil hat wearing brigades blog, if I want to read about religion….. guess what? When I go to a woodworking site….. again, guess what? By the way, by being a member here I am helping to pay for the site because of the advertising revenues.

To go back to my previous analogy about the drunken yuppies in a bar, when they throw up on my shoes I find a new bar.

-- Stuart

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#28 posted 762 days ago

and I don’t see why I should be forced to have to modify my settings because of a small minority of contributors. I do not see what value these posts have –

This is the part I was referring to. It is fine not to like the post, to be annoyed by the posts, etc. But you say you should not be bothered by them, why should you have to change your setting or even not click on them. Those others need to be banned. You don’t see value in them, great. I do, I enjoy reading them for trying to understand others better when there is intelligent discussion, and then just by being amused once they go haywire. If the site owner wants them gone, he’ll shut them down, otherwise like you said, if it bothers you enough you can go to another bar. Just personally I think its silly to get that worked up that you would stop coming to a great site over some stuff some idiots post. (which I agree by the way, I liked the site better before the political topics got going, but its not my call what gets posted and I try to take something positive from the ones i do read)

Try not to think its an attack on you fellow wood killer. I’m just blunt and don’t get where you’re coming from, but then again, I could be way off base where I coming from too.

-- www.newageneanderthal.blogspot.com . @NANeanderthal on twitter

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#29 posted 762 days ago

Same S$%^,different day.

-- Life is good.

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#30 posted 762 days ago

I got it. The perfect place for Off Topic Content. Facebook.

-- Steve - "Never Give Up"

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#31 posted 762 days ago

I simply believe that the “off topic contents” posts have increased, and let’s face it with the presidential election coming up I don’t see that trend improving. If that is the direction that the site wants to take that is fine but it is not why I joined and has no interest for me. If you want to be associated with a site that turns a blind eye to endless political rhetoric and one-upmanship, religious bigotry, or racist comments that is your choice. Perhaps we can invite the Westboro Baptist Church to post their woodworking projects….!

‘nough said.

-- Stuart

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#32 posted 762 days ago

Sandy -
Those of us who like the non-shop section make the same contribution that you do. Got another one? – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#33 posted 762 days ago

I fully agree with Sanity.
As I said a the beginning : write to your heart content about anything else than woodworking, but not here.

-- Bert

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#34 posted 761 days ago

Some of these analogies make NO SENSE whatsoever!!

Perhaps you should attend “Learning How To Use A Mouse 101”.

”’nough said” is a good start.

There are a number of Interesting Topics in “Non-Shop Talk”. I enjoy them. They are Not ALL about what most of the “Nay Sayers” on here are Bitching About. KnickKnack just put one Up about Posting Your “Favourite Quotes”. Something wrong with that one also? Dollars To Donuts it gets more Post than this one does.

Obviously, Judging by the Number of Topics and Comments in here, compared to other “Forums” so do a lot of others. It has the THIRD Largest Number of Topics on The Forums Page.

What I’m tired of are the Self Righteous, Self Centered, Hipocrites that “Think” because “THEY” don’t like something, or the way it works, it should be changed and the Rest Of US should feel the same way.

I’ll Post/Reply/Comment when and where I Please. That’s MY Right, and MY Decision To Make! NOT Yours!

This TOPIC has been Beaten To Death! It ain’t going away! Give up the ”This Isn’t Right And “I” Want It Changed” Attitude!

-- COMMON SENSE Is Like Deodorant. The People Who need It Most, Never Use It.

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#35 posted 761 days ago

Rick:You undoubtedly saw the irony here: The OP can post an off-topic thread, complaining about off-topic threads… D’oh!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#36 posted 761 days ago

I agree with you Bert, sometimes it seams there are more off topic postes than woodworking posts.

-- Ray

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#37 posted 761 days ago

I find it amusing that free speech advocates such as Rick believe that “self Self Righteous, Self Centered, Hipocrites” such as presumably Bert and myself should not keep bringing this topic up because it has been beaten to death. Well right back at ya buddy! You appear to have missed the irony and hypocrisy in your response. I believe that there should be some reasonable standards in the off topic posts, that’s all. Religion, sex, and politics are better served on dedicated sites would you not agree?

By the way I think you mean “Learning to use a KEYBOARD 101”. A mouse is a tool to position the cursor or to make a selection, etc., it is not used for typing. You’re welcome!

-- Stuart

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#38 posted 761 days ago

Off topic can be fun when you want your emotions stirred!

Some of it is stupid, some thought provoking, some not worth the bits to transmit, and some downright silly!

As long as it stays in the off topic forums, who can it hurt?

You can usually tell by the author of the topic whether it is worth your while to visit it.
—————————————————————-

THIS IS IN REGARDS TO OFF TOPC POST ONLY!

My single biggest complaint about off topic posts are those that take you to another “LJ LIKE” site to increase the traffic there instead of posting the source directly on LJ; its like supporting another website by the way of the LJ site!

——click LJ link——- end up on another site——with the same topic to click —- to get to the actual information a cheap way to increase the ”CLICKS on the secondary site

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#39 posted 761 days ago

To go back to my previous analogy about the drunken yuppies in a bar, when they throw up on my shoes I find a new bar.

Apparently not

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#40 posted 761 days ago

Yesterday, someone called for a campaign (election?) to settle this issue. I thought it was a silly idea but – after giving it more thought – think that it may have some merit. Perhaps not a real “election”, but just some input from the management.

Right now, the sides are drawn and the same basic messages are repeated over and over. Nobody gives an inch and the wheel just keeps spinning.

This is my call to Martin to weigh in on this argument. It’s your website and you makes the rules. If we all had a better understanding of where you’re coming from, this whole thing might get dialed back a few notches.

Hope to hear from you soon.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#41 posted 761 days ago

I am a beginning woodworker and am just starting to get into woodworking. I found this place and have been a silent observer. I read about tips and techniques. Admire what you guys create and get ideas and learn valuable things.

However I feel most on here who hate politics hate it for one reason. They don’t want to participate in the continual success of their country. They also do not understand how the system is supposed to work do to a lack of proper education. It’s like many a people who watch what I call the “stupid box” A.K.A. Television. They don’t read or try to learn anything. They just want to play and zone out on mindless television to see who gets kicked out of the house or who is the next idol.

Personally I have seen many forums based solely on politics and it is full of people who are more concerned about “gotcha” then productive thought. I would rather come here and discuss all issue with people who have the same common interests as I do. The more points of view the better. It is like going to a virtual shop where all my buddies come over to discuss woodworking, women and politics. I don’t understand your point of view. The way I see it is that what you are saying is the same thing as the politicians who do not talk to the common man and get their point of view. Everyone here on this forum is a common man. They are not professional politicians. They are are people who try to earn a living as woodworkers, hobbyists, oil field, doctors, and on and on. Why would I want to limit myself to only those who are professional political anylists? They don’t see the real world. We do.

Political talk should not be reserved to a political only environment. It becomes too much about repub. this and demo. that. I presume those with your common thought never even participated in political debate or probably never even vote. You may have that mindset of politics does not affect you. Just a guess but I bet I am not that far off.

Keep politics in all venues and just do as others have said and exercise your free will and do not participate. I think the underlining issue here may be the way this forum is set up. People are tired of being “tricked” into these talks. When they see “off topic posts” it makes them mad because they find out it’s about politics when they were clicking on it to see something else. Perhaps it would be better to have a politics category? Then people who think politics do not affect them can avoid that category all together.

Also this argument of more people talk in the off topic forum then posts projects is a bad argument. It’s free to talk. It is not free to create projects. It’s expensive, it takes time to design, and in my case I work for a living.

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.

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#42 posted 761 days ago

I think that a referendum would be good idea, but again at the end the owner of the site calls the shots. The problem is that the owner seems far distant, not really caring and very quite.

-- Bert

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#43 posted 761 days ago

Bert -
Then join me in my call for his input. (Damn, do we agree on at least one thing? – lol)

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#44 posted 761 days ago

Every one has a right to their own opinion! The non shop talk is a vehicle for those that wish to post or comment on the many topics that are part of all of our lives in the good times and the bad. What I believe is that whether you agree or disagree with the topic you should be respectful. Too many times people post topics that are based in half truths, gossip, and in some cases outright lies. Most people that deal in reality and have a sense of fairness can spot those that do not.

Unfortunately there are those that post here that want to just stir the pot and don’t contribute to the wood working side of this site in any meaningful way. Before anyone gets their dander up, I’m not suggesting there should be any minimum number of project or woodworking post to be a member here but I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to just hang out in the non-woodworking forum without contributing something in a positive way to the craft unless you are trying to stir the pot.

All I ask is if you post something have the facts and don’t base your opinion on hearsay, half truths or lies. The internet is not the end all be all for information, a lot of the info on the net is is just BS and only based on one’s opinion and not fact. Those that do in some cases have an agenda and are not interested in factual information.

I don’t want to see the non-shop talk forum taken away because in some cases it is informative and can be entertaining. If you read a post and your blood pressure begins to rise, resist the urge to reply until you’ve completely thought out your response. Make sure your response is respectful and is factual and is not a personnel attack. Some people are just looking for attention and will do anything to get it, so take that away from them and don’t respond and they will soon grow tired and move on.

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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#45 posted 761 days ago

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/39989

just trying to help out

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#46 posted 761 days ago

Sawkerf, we agree one more than one thing.

-- Bert

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#47 posted 761 days ago

Sawkerf Agree 100% Katdaddy,I think you have control issues,this form is something that you have NO control over.It is called OFF TOPIC for a reason,It doesn’t nessarily have to be “Woodworking” because it is “OFF TOPIC” if you don’t like it don’t click on the post.It’s that simple.Sure you are tired of reading “OFF TOPIC” post ,but that is where I see you posting most of the time.I am tired of people complaining about “OFF TOPIC ” posting by the same people all the time on most of the “OFF TOPIC ” subjects.Get a life and quit tring to control other people. Freedom of speach will prevail.

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#48 posted 761 days ago

One thing that I’m trying to figure out is the “views count” at the top of the threads. Why does it seem like that the Non-Shop threads seem to draw a higher than average view count per thread, especially when you really do have to go out of your way to click on them. I have 7428 posts in a little over two years. I may not have over 1% of posts in the Non-Shop Threads. I would really be surprised if it approached 5%. Even if it did there are all sorts of threads in Non Shop Threads, so a portion of my posts would be in threads that have to do with other subjects besides religion or politics. On the internet this is pretty much my hub. I have two days a week that I don’t have to work and 99% of those days I devote to my woodworking and that’s with my family’s blessings and they know that it is good for me. If the truth be told, I spend an awful lot of time thinking about woodworking on the other five days. I come to this site more often than I go to any other site on the internet. I guess you could say that woodworking is a passion and I can’t help myself. However, I do have other interests besides woodworking, one of which is the political state of our country and another is my religion. In addition to these I have other things that I’m interested in and sometimes they are also on the Non Shop Forum. Sometimes I feel a need to comment on these threads but I try to do it in a respectful manner. I hold myself back from commenting on these threads as hard as I can because the Non Shop Forum seems to drive many people crazy and they just want it gone.

I can take it or leave it – either way that the owners of the site wants it – and I sure won’t raise a ruckus over it one way or the other. However, I don’t see how you will ever get rid of these posts. They will continue here and there and they will just be scattered across the whole site at random. It would seem to me that it would be better for all if they were contained in one place so that the others could easily filter them out. I think there’s a way that has been provided for everyone so they can already do that.

I don’t like the way some folks try to get their views across and I would like for everybody to be civil when they are trying to do that. However, people are different and some folks just have to get a little louder than others. That is the nature of people. They are all very different. Sometimes people on the Non Shop Forum get a little heated or out of line.

Anyways, whatever you good folks and the management decides I will certainly try to abide by it.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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helluvawreck

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#49 posted 761 days ago

I went back to my shop to think on it and this was on my mind. I don’t understand why anyone would say things in the tone that this is getting to be less and less like a woodworking site. How could anyone in internet land come here and think that it is something other than a woodworking site. It may very well be the ultimate woodworking website on the internet – certainly maybe the ultimate community woodworking website on the internet. If I put Lumberjocks on one side of the line and all of the other woodworking websites on the other side of the line I know that I come here and participate at least 10 times more than I do on the others combined. There are some really great woodworking sites on the internet which have some great resources. Some of them you even have to pay for and I even belong to some of the ones you pay for. I find myself coming here more than the others. I love the informality and randomness of Lumberjocks. I love the way that you can get to know the person behind the avatar here. My avatar is my beloved dog, Dusty, our night watchman of 12 years and I spent a lot of time with him at my work and I loved him. But to you folks he’s just a dog. I like the way people interact here and the way that sometimes get off subject on a thread and the way the management don’t go ballistic about it. Here you can get a little glimpse of the people and get to know them better by little small things that they say. This is a fairly easy going place and there is a strong sense of community. I have actually gotten to know some people on here that I can at least call good aquaintances and maybe even friends. I pick these things up by reading the comments on and off of the Non Shop Threads. I really sort of think about this place as an internet community of woodworkers where you can go to visit anytime you want to and on any give day you might meet up with somebody that you may get to know. Some of the other woodworking sites are a little more clumsy when it get’s to those sort of things – at least in my opinion. I personally think that the management here is on the right track. Some of the other woodworking websites have a lot more financial resources to work with – some are publishing houses, etc. This is a place that was started with very few financial resources. Anyways, I guess I’ll be seeing you folks again on Lumberjocks – probably tomorrow I reckon.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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b2rtch

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#50 posted 761 days ago

Thank you Charles for your long and well thought answer.
I always enjoy reading you.

-- Bert

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