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Help...New shop set up...what tools should I get first?

by AngieO
posted 07-10-2012 04:49 PM

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#1 posted 07-10-2012 05:54 PM

You didn’t mention clamps. Almost every woodworker needs a big supply of clamps. There are many types, but you can start out with Pony bar clamps, which will allow you to change the pipe length and are very versatile.
You’ll also need some smaller clamps. Lot of the people here are OK with the Harbor Freight steel bar clamps. If you spend at lowe’s, you might think of getting some of the Bessy clamps, but they are expensive.

I’d stay away from the electric hand planer. You’ll just hog off a lot of wood for nothing. Maybe invest in a couple of good hand planes and learn how to sharpen and use them. A lunchbox planer is a great idea, but you should also have a way to make clean edges so you can glue up larger planks, so also think jointer.
Make sure you have all the nails out of the pallets. Nothing takes out a blade faster than a hidden nail.

Depending on the table and bandsaws, you might have enough to do more than you think. Also, you will go through a lot of sandpaper from 80 up to 220 grit to start, both for the sanding tools and hand paper.
Finishes will be needed, like varnish, lacquer, polyurethane, brushes, wiping cloths, etc. Stuff adds up.
Stain, your color preference. Stay away from gel stain.
A good vacuum cleaner to collect dust, from the tools and also to clean your area/shop/garage. Some vacuum cleaners have blowers on top so if you have a garage door it makes it easy to blow down the shop.

That just a few suggestions, lots more…welcome and good luck!!

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#2 posted 07-10-2012 06:02 PM

Wow, you appear to have been infected by the toolaholic virus. LOL Most of us can relate.

You said you have only a small space. How small ? 8’ x 12’, half of a 1 bay garage, half a 2 bay garage ?

A few good quality hand tools you didn’t mention, but are almost necessities. A block plane, a couple of good chisels ( a 1/4” and a 3/4” are good for starting out), squares, tape measure, a couple good accurate etched steel rules (12” and 24” or 36”), xacto knife (for marking), a bevel guage for marking angles, a good level and some hand saws. I have a Jorgensen Pony Pull Saw (Japanese style) and this is my most often used saw.

You will be needing clamps, the size and type depends on what you build, but I’d want at least about two each of 6”, 12”, 24”, 36” of the “F” style and a couple 3/4” pipe clamps with 4 ft pipes. You can swap out the pipes for different lengths. Some spring clamps are handy as well. It really doesn’t matter which clamps you start with, you will never have enough, or the right kind. That’s just the way it is.
- I like the Jorgensen clamps that are sold at HD and other places. They are mostly made in the USA, a plus for me. Many others here like the Bessey brand and they are good too. Even the Harbor Freight “F” style and pipe clamps are okay. Not as well finished but they work and are cheap. Keep an eye out for Craigs List clamp deals.

I would not spend money on an electric hand planer. Kind of a “one trick pony”. A better investment would be a good drill press and some good brad point and Forstner bits. I would strongly recommend a floor model. I never heard anyone with a floor model say they wish they had a benchtop model. The reverse is heard quite often. The larger benchtops (40”+ tall versions) are okay, but cost almost as much as a floor model anyway. Things to look for are: longest stroke possible, 3” minimum, able to be slowed down below 200 RPM for drilling large holes with Forstner bits, max height between chuck and table, at least 16”, and biggest swing possible, 12” minimum. I’ve had two small benchtop models and they are severly limiting. Another good opportunity to shop on Craigs List; but beware, 90% of drill presses on CL are the little benchtops that people are trying to get rid of after they got a floor model.

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#3 posted 07-10-2012 06:03 PM

As an excitable but easily frustrated beginner (me that is), I’d recommend that you start with projects small enough to either set aside or throw across the room. :-) My first “real” project was a 6 foot tall storage unit for my wife. I learned a lot, but by the end I was working just to get the thing out of my way.

Pacing is good, as is picking projects that add new skills one (or two) at a time, and keep building on that.

Since you have a lot of used tools, it would e good to find references (online or books, I like books) on tuning them up.

And keep it fun.

-- Really, the tree did the hard part.

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#4 posted 07-10-2012 08:22 PM

I learned a lot about basic woodworking skill and which tools to buy (and not buy) from the “I Can Do That” manual at Popular Woodworking:

Even if you graduate to larger and more pricey tools, you’ll still use many of the tools mentioned in the manual.

-- More tools, fewer machines.

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#5 posted 07-10-2012 08:29 PM

Ooo, nice reference Brett – that is a good write-up.

-- Kay - Just a girl who loves wood.

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#6 posted 07-10-2012 08:33 PM

What part of the country do you live? I am selling off my tools.

-- Randy, Allen Texas

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#7 posted 07-10-2012 09:03 PM

i would go with the drillpress but do your homework look at a lot of differnt ones, a good bench top model would be fine unless u want to cut 5” holes in hard wood every day. as for the other stuff keep an i out on craigslist but do your home work and know what u want. also look at pawn shops iv got a lot of used good tools from these places lot of nailers for cheap, if u know whitch model to get, oOo and your table saw ? u said it was a bench top table saw? in my opion u will use a table saw more than any tool in the shop so put a good blade on it (i like frued 24t Diablo) and u can do almost any thing this was my first have to have. get some bar clamps from hf and pipe from lowes cost 20.00 per clamp o and welcome to Lj have fun be safe

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#8 posted 07-10-2012 09:35 PM

What are you planning to build, it makes all the difference in what tools you need. At this point buy tools/machines as you need them, let the projects dictate your approach.

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#9 posted 07-10-2012 09:40 PM

I agree with AHuxley, buy the tools you need for your current project, then move on to your next project and buy the additional tools you need for it. That way you can really learn to use your tools as you get them. I try to stick to this method, but early on I did not and ended up with some tools I never use (even though I thought they were useful at the time). An added benefit is that it is easier on the budget than trying to outfit a shop in one go-round.

-- Rex

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#10 posted 07-10-2012 09:47 PM

Get some top quality measuring tools. Get some quality quaranteed squares, Woodcraft carrys the Pinnacle brand which is made by Woodpeckers and they are dead on. Just pick out a small projet and go from there. Check CL for some good deals. Read read all you can and most of all be safe.

-- What we do in life will Echo through Eternity........

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#11 posted 07-10-2012 09:57 PM

I bought a combination square once at a big box store. It was over 1 degree out of square (about 1/8” error over 8”). I took it back. I tested another one. It was out of square, too. I’m very wary now when I buy measuring tools from that store.

-- More tools, fewer machines.

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#12 posted 07-11-2012 03:21 AM

There is a lot of great advice here. Clamps – I have some C clamps. Have no idea what size they are. Some spring clamps as well. Every time I go to the store I sit and stare at them and have no idea which ones to get. I found a set that had three or four different kinds. I think I’ll get that.
I have a pretty good tape measure. I think I’d like to get anther that’s smaller. I also have a square, a decent level and an exactly knife. I’d like to get a steel rule though.
As far as space, my garage is a very small one car garage. I have to share it with my husband. Right now I’m pretty much pulling all my tools out of the garage and working outside. So having the ability to be able to move things in and out easily is a plus.
Right now I’m planning small projects. I made a picture frame today. Was pretty excited. I’d like to make some work benches for my tools. I found some plans for a miter saw table cart on that I really like. And after pricing a Bessey clamp to clamp my picture frame I thought about making my own…. Of course I need a drill press for that. I have a small table my son made iat school and I’d like to make another one for beside my bed. A couple of other small projects I’d like to try is a lazy usan, a cutting board, and a couple other things like the picture frame clamp.

Block plane? I was asking my husband about them and he made it sound like they were really hard to use.

One thing I did think about that Paul mentioned was the finishes and other consumables. I have some wood glue and I bought 3 different size sandpapered for my sander. 60-100-150. My husband has several for a sander that he has (I hate it) and I have a little sanding block.

Screws? Nails? Which finishes? Not sure which ones so I thought I’d get some 1 qt sizes of a couple to see which ones I like. I figured I’d practice with my router and miter saw making some frames as Christmas presents and try some different finishes on them.

Oh… And my brother wants me to make him a bread box. So I will need to get on that. Haven’t found a plan yet.

Thanks for all the replies and the welcomes. I look forward to all the things I’ll learn on here and sharing my projects.

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#13 posted 07-11-2012 02:33 PM

AngieO, I’m still a beginning woodworker (2 years of limit, part-time experience) and I work out of a garage. Here’s how I got started:

1) I read the “I Can Do That” manual described above to guide some of my tool purchases.

2) I then built a set of sawhorses (using a Workmate, circular saw, and drill) that fold up and can be stored out of the way (lots of plans online).

3) Next, I used the sawhorses to build a work table ( I reinforced the legs, but otherwise built it as described.

4) The work table goes against a wall; I put pegboard on the wall to store tools.

5) A Ryobi bench-top drill press was purchased that goes on the work table.

6) I bought a Ridgid r4510 table saw. I use it out on the driveway, and it folds up and stows out of the way when not needed.

7) I built a small workbench based on the “Get Started in Woodworking” series (

8) Around a year and a half ago, I started getting interested in hand tools, so I haven’t purchased a jointer, planer, or band saw.

Your interests may vary, but this is how I “bootstrapped” my work area into something that is usable. I’m currently (slowly) building an 8-ft long workbench. I may replace both the old workbench and the work table with the new workbench, build a rolling stand for the drill press, and build additional moveable storage (carts, with drawers). This will allow me to move everything into the rest of the garage or onto the driveway when I want to do some woodworking, but also allow me to move everything out of the way when they’re not needed.

-- More tools, fewer machines.

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#14 posted 07-11-2012 02:49 PM

Here’s a link to a cabinet shop that does everything by hand. His podcasts are good and detailed.

I did the same thing you are doing – getting the big stuff first. I forgot about the small stuff like:

forstner bits
brad point bits
sharpening (by hand or machine)
straight edges
hand saws for dovetails, etc.
dust collection (wood dust is a carcinogen)

This can go on and on, but I think you get the point. The machines are only 80% of what you need. A drill press is great, but without bits, it’s useless.

-- Only you know the mistakes were intentional...

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#15 posted 07-11-2012 03:16 PM

Welcome To LJs AngieO As a adult woodworking instructor for my local community collage I’m always concerned when I see folks brand new to woodworking buying a lot of tools for a couple of reasons, If you are brand new to woodworking the possibility of you being injured is greatly increased because you are not familiar with the proper use of power tools and their safe operation. The Second reason is that as I teach new comers to woodworking after a short time of use woodworking tools new students very frequently say “I wish I hadn’t bought (fill in the blank)”after learning how tools work and what tools are good and which tools are a bad investment. I would strongly suggest taking a beginners woodworking class for your safety and a better understanding of equipment and tools. I last thing, Enjoy!

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#16 posted 07-11-2012 04:00 PM

Angieo, howdy!!! I think Jim, makes a good point about buying lots of tools without researching them first. My first table saw was a portable and the thing slid all over the place…and tipped when I started out because it was to light duty for what I was doing. A cheap table saw can cut your fingers off just as well as an expensive one. I bought a cheap 60 bucks craftsman jig saw and never really used it because it threw dust over the cut line, and the blade deflected so badly that the cut would be angled instead of strait. Many cheap tools will work well, many will not.

There are many woodworking magazines and on line resources that give good advice regarding starting a wood shop and what tools you need to start with. Also they can help you learn the safe way to approach your tools. Take the advice to move a little slow. On lumber jocks there are a lot of tool reviews to help you find what tools have helped other wood workers. Read the reviews where people have owned the tools a few months and have actually used them.

There is a lot to learn, and even the masters of the craft never really stop learning. The wood Whisper is an excellent site to learn about tools and wood working techniques.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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#17 posted 07-11-2012 06:20 PM

Welcome Angie and all new posters. Maybe your friend and or husband is helping you learn this wonderful hobby, but Jim is right on the money. Be CAREFUL and learn safety tips on this and other sites. We don’t mean to scare you but knowledge is a partner in the shop. For instance, I’m happy a neighbor of mine stopped in one day as I was attempting a risky cut. He introduced me to push sticks!

I’m thinking along the line of most posters – measuring tools, clamps, hand saws (like crank, I like the Japanese pull saws), chisels, sharpening stone, etc. etc. But I think the most important tool is the workbench. I started off with a door and developed it and modified it to my present bench, which is still the same old door underneath the new surface.

Angie – Brett and any small shop owners… I invite you to look at my bench because it is ideal for a small shop. If you don’t like it, maybe you can adopt one or two of the components. Put your tools on their own slabs of plywood and swap them out in a matter of seconds. The link is to a LJ post

-- Bernie: It never gets hot or cold in New Hampshire, just seasonal!

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#18 posted 07-11-2012 06:28 PM

I’m no hand tool fanatic, but I would have serious trouble getting finished work beyond plywood boxes done without at least a #4 bench plane and a low angle block plane. Mine are cheap Groz planes. Woodcraft is clearancing out the the Groz #4 for $15.99, pretty tough to beat that price! $35.99 from Woodcraft will get you the Groz #4 Bench plane and Block plane set in a nice blow molded case.

You WILL want / need a drill press. Watch Craigslist for a decent condition bench model with a fair amount of quill travel. The Ryobi DP121L was a great one for not a lot of money. They sold new for $169.00. For some reason on the used market here, they are going for around $200.00. And people are paying it!

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#19 posted 07-11-2012 06:47 PM

I second a1Jim and AHuxley.

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#20 posted 07-11-2012 06:48 PM

Angie – welcome to LJs
When I was a kid, I was watching what kids watch and this show had one of those people you never see – he was a master wood carver. He looked at the camera and said that you don’t really require all the best tools to do things – at which time he took out his pocket knife, two pieces of wood and a borrowed someone’s hat pin. In about 15 seconds, he carved out a really nice small pair of functioning pliers. —

You already have a tremendous start – the question really is – what do you want to make? As you progress from there, your tools are extensions to help you make what you want to make. You may want to speak with Rivergirl, she takes almost anything, with very few tools and makes really wonderful stuff (I have no idea how she does this but she does).

Some of us really enjoy the toys (sic) tools. Doing that is seriously expensive and takes a lot of space. I try to get the tools that help me to make the furniture my wife wants and even then, I get a few extras because I now know that I will use them in the future or hope to.

Best of luck.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#21 posted 07-11-2012 06:55 PM

Oh and BTW – pallets are interesting gifts. Got one once that was solid mahogany, another one that was walnut, and lately beech – you just never know. Great for boxes, the mahogany one went to a luthier friend, jigs, small shelves, spice racks, tool box inserts drawer dividers, etc…

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#22 posted 07-11-2012 07:02 PM

Another welcome Angie, from another newcomer.

Don’t forget safety equipment – Bernie’s comment about push sticks made me think of it. Get yourself goggles, ear protection and a respirator that are comfortable enough that you WILL wear them. That might be a good use for part of your Lowe’s gift card.

I saw your picture frame post and you are off to a running start!

-- Kay - Just a girl who loves wood.

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#23 posted 07-11-2012 11:56 PM

Hi Angie, Welcome to LJ,

As far various hand tools and power hand tools are concerned, I would say buy as needed. That’s how most of us end up collecting tools. If You need a drill for a project you get one. A couple of months later you find you need a jig saw for some other project and then you get one. As far as machines for a shop goes I always say the trinity is Table saw, Jointer, Planer – in that order. A1jim and others have brought up safety concerns. I second them on this. Before you buy anything taking a local shop course might not be a bad idea. One, you learn how to safely operate machines and secondly it will help you define what your needs are.

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#24 posted 07-12-2012 12:08 AM

I have to agree with mcase.
Get some safety equipment and work safe.
Buy a scrub plane also

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#25 posted 07-12-2012 12:33 AM

+1 to what a1Jim said. I would say if you are going to be recycling wood (pallets, boards, boxes, etc) you get a metal detector to protect your investment.

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#26 posted 07-12-2012 12:50 AM

I bought tools and then bought again so think long term. I have upgraded nearly all of the first tools I bought within a couple of years. I’ve found that quality bits and blades are most important. Hit the websites and forums. I learned a lot from others on the web. Tool I use the most? My workbench. It’s used every time I do anything. My first project.

-- Steve - "Never Give Up"

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#27 posted 07-12-2012 02:01 AM

I appreciate the concerns for safety. I looked into a class and unfortunately my town s small enough that none are offered. Closest thing may be an hour away. It’s not something I can do easily. But… My friend that is sort of mentoring me has not let me have a piece of equipment from him without showing me the precautions to take.
While I’d like to get some different safety glasses I have a pair that belong to my husband. I want my own though. I have hearing protection and a mask, which I also want to get a different one.
I also have another friend locally who let me tool around in his shop. He did the whole safety bit as well. And…. Of course I ave an uncle who is missing a finger from his first knuckle. He had a few things to tell me as well. Mostly…. I’m more worried about my husband. He seems to throw caution to the wind. I, on the other hand, have a healthy fear of power tools.

I’m Gina build a few small things like picture frames and boxes and some jigs Ive seen, then I plan on jumping in and making a workbench.

I’m concerned about the table sawvim getting. While its a great price I think I will end up upgrading soon and I wonder if I should just jump in now. But…. Then again I’m still thinking about a planer and a jointer. Also a drill press.

Mcase…. A jointer and a planer are the two things I want the most. My husband keeps telling me that those aren’t things I need till I’m putting out large pieces of furniture and been woodworking for years.

I did get several clamps today. And looked for a block plane. Not sure what to get though.

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#28 posted 07-12-2012 02:04 AM

Oh… And LOTS & LOTS of YouTube videos. The Wood Whisperer is one I like. Wood Working for Mere Mortals, Wood Work Web and some others. Thanks for the links. Checking them out.

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#29 posted 07-12-2012 02:25 AM

Welcome Angie.. I have a question. Why are you not asking your woodworking friend for suggestions. That person could also give you advice on how to use each tool and when to use it. Clamps for example..which type for what. Not that you won’t get lots of info here. As you can see, you will. But your friend could also give you hands on training. Should be a good place to start.

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#30 posted 07-12-2012 02:31 AM

Most of the suggestions above are excellent but if you specifically want to choose jointer vs. planer, I would go with a Ridgid or DeWalt planer. There are several ways to joint lumber without using a jointer but the planer will do things you can’t do with a jointer. I have both but the jointer is mostly a ‘one trick pony’. Keep thinking safety every minute you’re in the shop! A steel rule and a dial caliper would be my first purchase (Harbor Freight ones work for me and are very inexpensive).

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#31 posted 07-12-2012 02:42 AM

Gary… My friend has definitely given lots of suggestions and lots of help. He also lives 1 1/2 hours away. I’m looking here because there is a vast amount of knowledge here when you have so many different people doing so many different kinds of work. Everyone brings something different to the table.

gfadvm… Good info.

I did see another post by someone that talked about getting a metal detector. I’m looking into it.

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#32 posted 07-12-2012 03:17 AM

I didn’t read al the other posts so pardon me if I am repeating what has already been said. For the most part you probably have a good beginners set up. You have to decide what your main focus will be to start with. If you want to do scroll work, cutting boards, carvings, furniture, etc. Down the road not only can you expand, but you’ll find yourself doing it one piece at a time without realizing it. Part of the addiction. Really no sense trying to do much too fast. You’re in the perfect place to ask questions. Some of the worlds best are at your disposal.

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#33 posted 07-12-2012 01:25 PM

Miss o take your time rescerch the kind of tool u want to buy…dont settle for the cheapest tool cause of money…put a little back each week until u have enough.its worth it..routers bosch1617evs in the best thing going…really sweet.. lots of us have them…i had mine before i joined jocks..look at the tool reviews on here..and get wood magizene….homework is the key for good project turn out

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#34 posted 07-12-2012 01:34 PM

Steve…. Monte…..This kind of info is exactly what I’m looking for on here.

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#35 posted 07-12-2012 01:36 PM

Hey Angie. One thing I would do is buy some 2×4s and plywood and make a work table for yourself that you can wheel around the garage. It can be on 4 locking casters or you could put two lawnmower wheels on one end and pick it up wheelbarrow style to move it. That and something like a Workmate or Rockwell clamping horse for holding things while you cut/router/assemble. You can always build with wood as it comes from the store, you don’t need to replane or joint it depending on what you build, so I would put those specialized types of tools to the back. Nothing more frustrating that trying to screw or nails things together with them skittering all over. Good luck.

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#36 posted 07-19-2012 02:42 PM

dhazelton – That’s actually just what I did. I made a workbench out of 2×4’s and plywood. And I went to the store yesterday looking at tools and I decided that instead of any more tools that I would just get some clamps and some finishing supplies. I still have a Lowe’s gift card so I’m going to use that money to buy the materials for my next build. I’m pretty excited. Can’t wait.

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#37 posted 07-19-2012 03:31 PM

I agree with a1jim,don’t go crazy buying tools yet,get some experence under your belt and learn the safe way to use tools.I’ve been woodworking for many years,and have several scars from doing things that shouldn’t have been tried with certian tools.Take your time and learn the proper way to use the tools you have and then expand from there.good luck ansd have fun,most of all be safe.

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#38 posted 07-19-2012 03:35 PM

“pretty god tape measure” should mean one that is flat and limp, not one that bows in the middle to keep it straight. The latter is intended for framing a house but makes it difficult to make precise measurements on small pieces.

measuring tools are not the place to save money. Also, I have a HD block plane keeping the bag in my trash can weighted. Again, the difference between construction tools and woodworking tools.

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#39 posted 07-19-2012 03:55 PM

Welcome to LJ’s and woodworking! My own experience when I started ww about 3 years ago was similar to you; I built a couple of projects and then bought a bunch of tools from big box stores that I thought I needed. Most of them were relatively cheap, and because of my inexperience as a woodworker, not ideal tools for the hobby. My advice is let your projects determine what tools you buy, rather than buying tools in anticipation of “needing” them. Once you develop some skills and have a few projects under your belt, your tool preference will change dramatically. Almost all of us on LJ’s have a long list of tools we thought we needed and later on regret buying, in fact if you search the site, you’ll find several threads about this!

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