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Charging for video clips????????

by Roger
posted 07-07-2012 12:23 AM

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#1 posted 07-07-2012 12:24 AM


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#2 posted 07-07-2012 12:40 AM

What magazine?


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#3 posted 07-07-2012 12:48 AM

I dont pay fer nuthin’ on the world-wide-inner-web…...but I’m pissed off too !

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#4 posted 07-07-2012 12:48 AM

Wood, Popular Woodworking, so far, but everyone will be gettin on this bandwagon, unfortunately for us

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#5 posted 07-07-2012 12:52 AM

They do still have free ones, cuz I just checked. But, some I guess they want you to pay for now.. ???? I’m lost

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed.

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#6 posted 07-07-2012 12:54 AM

I do know George Vondriska and Popular Woodworking just started doing that. The last few emails I got, (and I’ve been on their email newsletter fer a long time), they show click here for this or that vid, when u get there, oh yea, u gotta pay…. It’s pure BS

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#7 posted 07-07-2012 12:58 AM

whoa whoa whoa,,,I’m sorry..I appologize… not Pop Woodworking.. it’s WWGOA….. these used to be free

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#8 posted 07-07-2012 01:00 AM

dats it, I’m gonna git a ice cold one (er 2) cuz I deserve it… thnx Stumps

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed.

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#9 posted 07-07-2012 01:09 AM

That sucks big time !

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#10 posted 07-07-2012 01:23 AM

You go get em Roger.

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#11 posted 07-07-2012 01:25 AM

If no one buys them they will get the message real quick!

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#12 posted 07-07-2012 01:30 AM

Unfortunately, as a friend of mine who used to work in a “boiler room” selling magazines over the phone said, “1 out of 100 people will buy ANYTHING!” Let’s just not be the hundredth person!

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#13 posted 07-07-2012 01:53 AM

Fine Woodworking also charges for many things on their website. You have to subscribe to get access. Cough up that CC number…...

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#14 posted 07-07-2012 02:30 AM

The best way to tell them how you feel is either cancel your subscription or not renew when it is due and let them know that you may return if they go back to the way things were. In the magazine business no subscribers equals no advertizing revenue leading to no magazine…...

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#15 posted 07-07-2012 02:52 AM

Here are the mags I subscribe to
American woodworker

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#16 posted 07-07-2012 03:28 AM

I’m guessing that as magazine revenues are plummeting like crazy, the companies are looking for news income sources. With the new media, video is going to be a commodity.

While I COMPLETELY understand your frustration as a subscriber, try to remember they are trying to stay afloat. Did they bait and switch you? Have you contacted them?

I know FW has charged for their website almost from the start. I paid for year, but never kept it up because I wasn’t using it.

I have found that if you really want something, you can find it online. Old and new tv shows are almost always available via bit torrent. And of course there is YouTube and such.

Just some random thoughts on the subject…

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#17 posted 07-07-2012 06:33 AM

I have read my last issue and now I will not renew if that is the case

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#18 posted 07-07-2012 07:12 AM

Just remember,

With magazines, you are the product, not the customer. They really don’t care about your opinion.

Traditional media is having a really hard time coming to grips with the internet. Hopefully, they will wise up before they kill themselves off.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune:

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#19 posted 07-07-2012 08:12 AM

Things change all the time. If the videos aren’t worth paying for then just don’t buy them. There are plenty of other sources. Most of these videos are just showing you techniques that have been around forever.

I have a woodworking book I bought in 1973 that has just about every technique I’ve ever seen in any magazine and it also shows how to maintain and use hand tools to boot. It is a little weak on routing though.

That is not to say that there are no new and interesting things around, but folks should be allowed to sell a product they think people are willing to pay for. It’s then up to the market to decide if that is true. It’s the American way.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#20 posted 07-07-2012 10:39 AM

I’m right there with you Roger. I understand that it costs money to maintain a web site and that companies are in business to make money but if someone has a subscription the companies magazine they should also enjoy the benefits of being able to view their videos, free of charge.

Don’t even get me started on WWGOA. They can shove it as far as I’m concerned. I used to enjoy going to their web site to view their content. Not anymore.

That’s just my two cents.

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#21 posted 07-07-2012 11:30 AM

I rarely come across anything in a WW magazine that I havn’t seen from you good people on here.

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#22 posted 07-07-2012 03:11 PM

I really am sick and tired of the way companies come at you with new charges and fees.
Those on SS are already having a hard time trying to maintain “a life”, these extra burdens are the last straw.
One mugging I believe is coming, will be that after they have got everyone off of paper bills and statements, they will add a fee for paying online …watch for it.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#23 posted 07-11-2012 03:14 AM

Take a deep breath and count to ten. I think your chip deflectors are too tight

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#24 posted 07-12-2012 04:59 AM

Now thats funny

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#25 posted 07-15-2012 08:21 AM

First off get your numbers right my friends wood is still the largest with over 400000 subscribers up close to 20 percent by their own accounting. All the other rags are doing fine thank you very much . So the idea that reviews are down is dead wrong. Here is the simple fact high quality video costs a lot to produce. I know because we have had a camera man shooting our videos for the past few months . This is a real pro not a single view tripod and no action stuff. The big magazines want to move in on the web guys and yes they can likely do it better. Mark has had a well done tripod shoot for a couple of years he built a large following large enough to get a gig at Fine Woodworking. Kudos to him. I have to tell you that the web is going to cost money and if you want the premium content your going to have to pay. Currently the best classes on the net are the Wood Whisper and Rob Cosmans Classes which are my favorites. Steve’s show makes me laugh And Stumpy almost makes me piss myself but they have a ways to go IMHO. some things Steve does make me cringe, so I watch him just to see if he will film a dismemberment. And Stumpy is on a mission to prove you can do this hobby for less and I admire that. Mark runs a tight ship and was able to raise enough cash to put AC in his shop. I am still trying to get lights in my shop so I can shoot stills with out flash. While we are all trying for you to visit our sites and watch our videos the fact is the big magazines have a good gig. They own huge audiences Workbench now has over 200000 readers and this started from a mediocre woodworker Don Peschkie. No Offense Don I love you man. But these are well established machines and they want their piece of the pie. If you want free content look to the up an coming stars they will guide you through just like the early magazines did.

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#26 posted 07-15-2012 11:18 AM

Roger you are absolutely right. OldKranky has the solution. It is getting ridiculous. I don’t mind buying subscriptions to a few decent mags, but when they start charging for access to the website videos, it is crossing the line.

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#27 posted 07-15-2012 06:38 PM

i think its ridiculous that people should have to pay for this information, i think subscribing to their magazines should be enough to get a full pass to the site, it makes it difficult for those woodworkers who, like me, are just starting out and cant get all the information they want to go further and do better than they have previously, its just another plot to squeeze every last drop of cash out of those that are already paying more than they should do!!!

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#28 posted 07-17-2012 08:04 PM

Well the ones they are charging for need to be fully vetted!

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#29 posted 07-17-2012 08:16 PM

Lets be honest here.
Shhh.. I dont buy magazines.
I google search for the magazine online for free, I download them online to my ipad, where I can read them on IBooks, without wasting money or getting a HUGE pile of books, Also, If i dont like that magazine, I just delete it.
I find that Usually, i can find the issue i want, and if the newest issue isn’t online yet for free, I just wait a week, and someone puts it online.
Another thing is, If they want you to buy plans because you are missing a certain issue, Just look online, and you can get the plans and the magazine for free.
I get a advantage, And the magazine publishers get the disadvantage.
Simple as that.

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#30 posted 07-18-2012 04:54 AM

I don’t support Piracy in any way so I cant support your opinion Alex theft of intellectual property is wrong. I also prefer a hard copy. I don’t like reading on a screen. I will barley read a Kendall the old one with ink technology that reads like a book in the sun. I cant condone the theft of property and I hope they figure out a way to stop the theft.

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#31 posted 07-18-2012 05:17 AM

Honestly I get most of my information from youtube where there are usually several examples of the same project which gives different angles and techniques. I grab the magazine off the rack now, look if there is a project that interests me and that I will actually find the time to do over and above the current list and if not I put the mag back. Most everything else they say in there is just a rehash of something they’ve said before and isn’t worth buying a new mag.

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#32 posted 07-18-2012 05:30 AM

David K – “With magazines, you are the product, not the customer. They really don’t care about your opinion.”

Conversely, without subscribers they have no product.

Whether they want to charge to view their content online is within their right and I don’t have a problem with it if they do. The way I see it, they are making themselves less accessible to the general public, which is good for the smaller content providers. If subscribers, members, or loyal visitors are the product, then that is more product for the little guys.

-- You can collect dust or you can make dust. I choose to make it.

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