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Festool price increase

by damnHippie
posted 2345 days ago


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GaryK

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#1 posted 2345 days ago

I don’t think I’ll ever buy any of them. Way too expensive. They may be good, but not 4 times
as good which is about how much more they cost.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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TomK

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#2 posted 2345 days ago

I can’t justify the prices before the increase anyway.

-- If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free! PJ O'Rourke

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motthunter

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#3 posted 2345 days ago

I know guys that drank the Festool koolaid and it is all that they can talk about. People who have it love it. I will stick with what I have

-- making sawdust....

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Scott Bryan

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#4 posted 2345 days ago

They are great tools but I live on a fixed income and have a wife who likes to spend the money in my account after she has gone through hers before the end of the month. Maybe I’ll have some of them if I ever win the lottery.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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Bob #2

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#5 posted 2345 days ago

this is a test

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Ad Marketing Guy - Bill

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#6 posted 2345 days ago

Kids buy $200.00 sneakers – this does not make them Michael Jordon!
Guys buy $1000.00 golf clubs- this does not make them Tiger Woods!
Guys buy a $120k Porsche, it does not make them a good driver!
Girls buy $150 jeans, it does not make them a movie star.

Perception is not reality——-Festool may be a great tool, but a great tool in the hands of a poor worker will produce marginal projects at best!

Just because someones spends 4 times the cost for a tool—-this does not make them a craftsman or an artist.

Festool markets to a limited demographic of people who can afford, some want to own and some wish to own—many of them feel the tool creates the project not the man.

I market and advertise products for a living——- it is amazing what perception will drive people to buy or simply feel they must have !

If you look at some of the fantastic projects on this site not produced with a Festool your question will be answered!

-- Bill - - Ad-Marketing Guy, Ramsey NJ

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brunob

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#7 posted 2345 days ago

Ditto. I couldn’t afford any of them.

-- Bruce from Central New York...now, if you'll pardon me, I have some sawdust to make.

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closetguy

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#8 posted 2345 days ago

I realize they are good tools, but there is a point where tool quality can become meaningless. My Porter Cable ROS and Ridgid shop vac together were less than $200. I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can justify $700+ for the same setup with Festool. It would have to have an auto sand feature where I tell it to sand a panel starting with 100 grit and stop when it reached 220, while I am at lunch. I would then consider buying one.

-- I don't make mistakes, only design changes....www.dgmwoodworks.com

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Dan'um Style

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#9 posted 2345 days ago

I still WANT A DOMINOE !!!!!!!!!!!!

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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rikkor

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#10 posted 2345 days ago

I couldn’t justify the expense before, I certainly can’t after a 15% bump.

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mrtrim

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#11 posted 2345 days ago

can you imagine how nice garyk s 1st place box would have been if he only had some fesstools ?? lol

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Dadoo

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#12 posted 2345 days ago

Give it a little time guys and we’ll soon see Festool knockoffs from China. And like the majority of you, Festool is way out of my price range. Now even more so.

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!

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DannyBoy

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#13 posted 2345 days ago

These seem to me to be those shiny things that you see at a wood store that are nice to touch and hold but you end up on the other side of the room looking at the more sensible tools that most people use. I’m not saying they aren’t good quality, but I can’t hardly afford a new $200 router, much less one of these babies.

Eventually, we will get to the point where there are new models every year with little improvements. When this happens, the guy who has everything will go and buy “replacements” for the older models he bought when they first came out. Then, we can all go to ebay and have a bid war on them. (Seems like this may have already started…)

-- He said wood...http://hickbyassociation.blogspot.com/

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Ethan Sincox

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#14 posted 2345 days ago

To each his own.

For me, dust collection with the few power tools I have is an absolute necessity (for my health and for my family’s health and for the cleanliness of my shop/house), so I’m starting to slowly add some Festool tools to my shop. It isn’t something I’m going to do quickly, by any means, but I think it a worthy goal – I saved up for most of two years to be able to afford the sander and dust extractor I purchased last week.

It all comes down to priorities. I’d rather spend my money on Festool than on granite counter tops in the kitchen or $7000 worth of upgrades in a new car or another hunting rifle or a boat.

I certainly don’t think having Festool is going to make me a better woodworker. But the convenience and safety features of Festool make my woodworking experience more enjoyable. So to me, the cost is worth it.

-- Ethan, http://thekiltedwoodworker.com

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damnHippie

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#15 posted 2341 days ago

Thanks for all the replies!

Ever since I saw The Wood Whisperer's reviewcast of the Domino, I’ve wanted one. The rest of the Festool catalog seems too high-end for me, compared to the other more moderately priced tools out there. I completely agree that the dust collection system, and the majority of the other tools, are just out of the hobbyist / small production shop price range.

But the Domino is unique. I think it is brilliant to provide a tool that creates standardized mortise and loose tennon joinery. It provides all the benefits of biscuit joiners, but at a far superior strength. It may not be right for every project, and may not help me improve my joinery skills, but I really think it would be handy!

-- 10 fingers, 2 eyes, and healthy lungs. for now. :P

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daiku1

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#16 posted 2091 days ago

I think the Domino is a great tool for anyone that has to do mortise and tenon work. It is truly unique. If you are a pro, you can easily justify this one. It would be my second choice behind a multi-router

-- jim

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Woodchuck1957

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#17 posted 2091 days ago

Price increases at the time that the economy is going down the dumps and into a deep recession seems suicidal to me for a company to attempt. I know Festool isn’t the only company thats announcing price increases, I’ve heard DeWalt and Grizzly announced it also. Who knows, these price increase announcements just may be a sales ploy to scare people into buying now. If anything, eventually I think some tool prices are going to drop just to get rid of the inventory. With the drop in jobs in the home building trades I doubt that your going to see price increases in tools related to that trade, maybe even lumber will come down in price for awhile. But the bad part is after awhile we may also start seeing even less quality.

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Loren

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#18 posted 2090 days ago

Festool’s ongoing development and tooling costs must be enormous -
you have to realize that Dewalt dwarfs them yet is behind in
terms of innovation.

I have Festool stuff. It’s good, not the holy grail but still very, very
good. I have had most of it for 5 years or so – so much of what
I own is “last generation” gear. It really annoyed me when the
current generation of Festool introduced yet more innovations that
make working with the gear faster and more accurate.

If I did the guided circular saw thing again I would look at EZ-smart
today. It has a repeatability system that is superior to the Festool.

Festool I would only recommend to Pros who know that shaving a
bit of time can make you more money – or to well-to-do hobbiests
who just want to own nice tools.

Festool is amazing stuff in regard to dust collection. Some months
ago I did a vertical flush-trim cut in a house with a Festool router
and vacuum. With anything else I own that cut would have “fogged”
the whole kitchen and taken an hour to clean up. With the Festool
router/vac combo cleanup took 2 minutes.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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Mike Kunkel

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#19 posted 2087 days ago

We have the large Festool circular saw, several tracks and the multifunction table. They have proven to be very useful, and have paid for themselves. That said, I’m not one who has “drank the Festool punch”. Lately, we have issues with the saw heeling, which we have been entirely unable to find out how to fix. This results in cuts that are not straight, or as clean as they should be.
The prices are unnecessarily high. They know that their clientele is the type that is not a professional and thinks that expensive equals better. Several people have mentioned that their tools are very nice. In some cases, this is a fair judgment. That said, take a quick look through a Festool owners group and you’ll see all the problems that people are having. Many of their tools are having problems performing basic functions that a harbor freight tool would have no issue performing.
The Domino is a great demonstration piece, but it’s just that. There are other ways to do the same exact tasks without many of the issues the Domino has (try drill bits and dowel pops). One of the big selling points of the Domino is the assortment of tenons available for it, which are also drastically overpriced. Look through the Festool owners groups and you’ll find that those tenons are fairly regularly too thick to fit in the mortises. The proposed solution? Microwave them.

Also, the Wood Whisperer’s review of the Domino was mentioned. Keep in mind that he is sponsored by Festool and Powermatic. That review was an ad, not a review. He is not someone to look to for a review of a tool, for more than one reason. He never says a bad word about any of his advertisers, so keep that in mind when he “reviews” something. That said, I’m not saying anything bad about Powermatic. In fact, I don’t have any problems with any Powermatic machine I’ve ever used.

There are many other things that make me dislike Festool. One quick one is that their screwgun uses a quickchange adapter that will not accept 1/4” shank bits. When a Woodcraft employee was trying to sell us this screwgun, he acted like he was giving us some super secret knowledge by telling us to file down the shanks of ALL of our other bits. No thank you!
Festool was overpriced, and I think they may have just priced themselves out of contention.

I didn’t mean for this to turn into a huge rant, but them’s the breaks.

-- http://www.kunkelandson.com

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juniorjock

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#20 posted 2087 days ago

Grizzly announced early in 2008 that 2009 prices would be higher. Everything is higher…. except the amount of $$$ coming in….
-JJ

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Bob #2

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#21 posted 2087 days ago

The way I see it the currency has devalued in America with too much being imported and to little being exported. Couple that with some awful credit blunders and you have money that has no value.
That gets reflected as price increases when in fact it is devaluation.
I watched our news tonight and saw a pawn shop in Hollywood filling up with hocked $45,000.00 dollar watches and rare paintings etc.

That kind of says it.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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John Stegall

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#22 posted 2087 days ago

I do own a few Festools. I was looking to buy a jobsite table saw for my summer job and the older model ATF55 was the same price and in moment of weakness I bought it. It did everything I asked of it. A few years later, I was going to have to cut inside a client’s house where dust collection was an absolute must. The CT22 and the circular saw did the trick. They are definitely not for everyone, but the saw way out performed my top of the line Milwaukee, but it also was 3x the price. They paid for themselves but if I were not doing the work professionally, I would not have bought them. As a school teacher, I could not have afforded them, but the summer job made it possible.

-- jstegall

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mikeinmissouri

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#23 posted 1637 days ago

Buy one, melt it down and make gold coins! Best of Luck

-- Mike, Peculiar Missouri

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danr

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#24 posted 1637 days ago

Hello all,

So I have a question that I have been wondering about for some time. I have a small shop with a 3HP, central, cyclone dust collector connected to most all of my machines via Norfab rigid duct work (found the Norfab stuff 2nd hand at a great price.. but that is another story). Sanding and free-hand routing are the only operations where I do not use any vacume based dust collection (but would like to). I have some ideas for a down draft table incorporated into my table saw outfeed table but have not started that project.

In any case, it appears from all of the comments that the Festool sanders and routers, in conjunction with the dust extractors work very well. Thats why I have looked at Festool. I can afford to buy a few of the Festool components but I guess I hesitate to pay that much just because it seems a bit silly (for me) being as I am just a serious week-end warrior and I have other tool upgrade priorities right now.

So do any of you all have a non-Festool solution for a combination of RO sander and shop vac that works well for you? I It looks to me like some of the RO sanders will accept a vac hose more readily than others and some might not accept a hose at all. If you have a non-Festool solution that works for you, I would greatly appreciate getting some detailed feedback from you and a picture of your setup would be excellent. My Porter Cable RO sander is about to kick the bucket so I will be shopping for a new RO sander soon.

Thanks,
Danr

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surfin2

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#25 posted 1637 days ago

Bill, you know that and I know that, but I don’t think that’s the way people in general think today…
I can count how many times on QVC they would have a good set of cook ware at a real nice price and the caller would say, I’m always burning everything that I try to cook. With this good set I don’t have to worry about burning anything… I’ve heard it in the stores many times…

-- Rick

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Moron

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#26 posted 1637 days ago

Festool Rocks, it is the “porcsha”, the “Bentley” of woodworking.

no different from a Lie Neilson vs a Marples…..........and thats a very poor comparison. Even if you exclude the health benefits of exceptionally well engineered power tools with unparralled dust exraction systems and vacumes that exceed or meet nuclear facilty micron…................yadda yadda crap…....who can really afford to live and work healthy?

The actual tool is perfect. Take for instance the router, doesnt matter what model, from the little thousand bucks you spend on the “begiinner” model, to the Ulitimate “2 ” man model with big handles and easy finger reach, the Festool Monster router…......its virtually a hand held shaper that is “perfect”. It doesnt tip, it doesnt swing and if you start it with a cup of coffee on the top….......if you start it right, the cup wont tip off the router. Feel it in your hands when its running full blast …....like a freaking songbird.

Ever had to “tweek” a router?. Festool routers are finely tuned rachet type routers, one perfectly sounding “click” is 0.01 mm…........and you dont even have to rip, change a thing, so simple, so easy, so like fine cutlery and good food. They are a “pros” choice toy, hands down and for the rich hobby woodworker they are the creme da la creme

In the hands of a master craftsman. Festool will compete with Altendorf, with SCM and Griggio…..................................They are a fearsome type sword. A handsome addition to an arsonal of fine tools. That said, like all tools, a fool blames his tools for poor workmanship.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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a1Jim

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#27 posted 1637 days ago

In my opinion Festool is already grossly over priced.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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surfin2

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#28 posted 1637 days ago

I agree, it’s a dam good tool but not worth what there asking, definitely over priced…

-- Rick

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Chelios

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#29 posted 1637 days ago

I have been converted to Festool on their dust collection design alone. On top of that big bonus, their tools do have more power and are better thought trough than other brands I used before.

My shop has never been cleaner and breathing clean air for a change is something I won’t give up now. I have dust collectors and shop vacs…they don’t compare in performance. Smart designs and great performance are characteristics that the other tool manufacturers do poorly.

Instead of putting down Festool on the prices all should be complaining about how crappy and poorly designed some other brands can be.

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dfdye

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#30 posted 1637 days ago

I am 100% on board with how poor the dust collection of most tools is. I have been looking for a circular saw with good dust collection, and the only options appear to be the Festool or saws designed for cement board (I have seen a Makita and Hitachi, but I am certain there are more) but the prices on these are close to $300. This is just silly!

Router manufacturers seem to have gotten the idea recently (even the cheap Craftsman multi-base set I just bought has reasonable dust collection) but my circular saws seems to be the primary culprit in stirring up dust in my shop.

Does NOBODY make a reasonably priced circular saw with a good collection scheme??!? Arrrg. . . .

-- David from Indiana --

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Steven H

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#31 posted 1637 days ago

Are all their tools manufactured in Germany?

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newplane

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#32 posted 1637 days ago

I have used Festool tools. They are sharp mind you. However I have made many pieces of furniture using my old Stanley’s and some refurbed chisels, and second hand saws. I guess it just boils down to how you expect your woodworking to “Work”. After my apprenticeship I became a power tool junkie and fell into the trap that a lot of woodworkers fall into. They want the newest shiniest thing to make their project come to life faster, and with more precision. Growing older helps you see the course more clearly, to any destination. I have realized that the quality of my furniture is affected more by the time that I spend on paper and thought, way before I even pick up a tool. It’s an art what we do friends, the tools don’t matter. They are aptly named for what they are “Tools”. When it boils down to it; it doesn’t really matter what tools your get as long as they are reliable. Master those tools and then grow from there. My grandfather would always tell me, “Grow where you’re planted lad!” Just enjoy the journey my friends.

-- Dont just dream it, get up and live it!

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studie

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#33 posted 1637 days ago

I love my tools… and spent way too much the last 4 years on the ones that would help me be on top of any situation thrown at me. The home shop stuff; 1967 PM 66, the best year they say for that TS. A ? 1963 Rockwell Super 900 Trunnion (RAS) saw, it has the best sound & solid cut of any saw in my life, for real! Finally a DC in the shop & what a difference at the TS & joiner/ shaper. OK the job site stuff; Bosch 4100 TS, American design Chopsaw station w/ milwaukee or makita saws, routertable, planer well you know, everything you can get in the truck to get the job done & get unloaded before having it stolen!! ... Then came that dang Festool bug!!!
I own just enough to say they have helped me to be better at what I do! Track saw, RAS 150, Domino, Planer, 1400 router & vac make the weary old west a grand place to be. I so hope they hold up for a long time as they cost a stack o coin! But when I show up at a job with a (almost) dust free cabinet shop & produce some on site high quality work, I’m glad I have the best & most portable I can offer. Festools are as fine of tools as I’ve seen yet.

Newpalne has a fine message & way to say “enjoy this craft & do the best that you can!”

-- $tudie

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surfin2

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#34 posted 1636 days ago

newplane, thanks for telling it like it is. Look at all the older woodworking that was done before power tools…
Justification or like you said the need to have the latest and the best out… It’s like with computers, I HAVE A DELL!!! you don’t hear I have an HP, I have a Gateway. Bragging rights. Maybe I should buy a Lexus, it’ll make me a better driver, as long as the gas pedal dosn’t stick…

-- Rick

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wiswood2

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#35 posted 1636 days ago

I will keep my grizzlys any time.
Chuck

-- Chuck, wiswood2 www.wisconsinwoodchuck.com

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Dedvw

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#36 posted 1281 days ago

What is so wrong with owning expensive tools? Some people get offended enough to make very broad comments about people who own expensive tools. Comments like “they think the tool makes the Craftsman” are just as bad as the egos you talk about.

I don’t own any Festool products, but have used many of them. They are very good, with dust collection maybe being the best feature. Do I, or anyone else I have worked with, think they were a better woodworker because of them?....No, they were just nice tools to use.

I was working with a boatbuilder that had a collection of low end hand planes. He had the same attitude towards my Veritas planes and automatically belived that I thought I was a better woodworker because of it. He often said he could do the same job with his 20 dollar plane that I could do with my 175 dollar plane (and I’m sure he could).

I have been building my tool collection for years, slowly replacing my cheaper tools with more expensive tools. Mainly because nicer tools are a pleasure to use. When I hear that someone thinks I’m a snob, or a better woodworker because of it bothers me because I’ve worked hard to get these tools. In all my days of working in boatyards, marinas, being part of woodworking clubs, I have only come across a small number high end tool snobs (even when many of my tools were junk). I seem to encounter more low end tool users snobing nice tools.

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GeorgeR

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#37 posted 1277 days ago

A circular saw, a sander, and a router that create virtually no duct.
A circular saw that rides on a track, cuts absolutely straight lines and leaves close to zero tear out on thin veneers.

Tools better built than the ones costing 1/3 as much.

They might not make me a better woodworker but they don’t make life harder the way many cheaper tools do.

-- George Rowbottom

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Moron

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#38 posted 1277 days ago

Im 99% convinced that they are worth every single penny and although as stated so often here, extremely over priced, I might consider selling my big tools and re-invest the money into Festool so before we judge based on price alone.

Anyone can build something cheaper, faster, and for those who choose to buy cheap, they are the lawful prey of those who make the crap.

A skill saw that is 1K plus the track, plus the workbench brings it to almost 2.5K. Indeed at first glance its scary expensive but from my perspective if the 1K can replace my 5K wooden joiners bench and…it fits into my pick-up then why not ?.......I just saved a fortune and became more competitive too. If I buy the track saw for another 1K, and add the fence and I can loose the 30K Altendorf sliding table saw, if it can replace the 3K in a jointer and if I can fit it into my truck, I instantly became, not only more competitive but more versatile. What used to be done in a “paid for by me” heated shop, rented shop I loose the overhead and carrying costs and can work from a garage or better yet, from a customers garage ….......then I make more money.

I assume that the target market for Festool isn’t the hobbyist, isn’t the amateur, that their market target is the professional finish carpenter/installer who specializes in high end work or its the hobby guy with loads of cash and loves shiney, if never used, green tools.

Will it make most a better woodworker, maybe but probably not, so not worth the purchase so that is a “no brainer”

Will they make me a better woodworker…...not a chance but they will permit me to work in a multimillion dollar house/office leaving little dust and inconvenience behind, with extremely professional end results, faster then without them, more choices of what I can do on a job site…...........and I get a big fat raise with thrilling references to keep me gainfully employed. Not everyone rules their life by the almighty dollar and some customers want not only a competitive quote, they want you in and out of their homes and offices with as little disruption to their lifestyle as possible, and they are willing to pay for it, if the end result, is bar none….....perfect.

For some time is money and Festool has toys that increase speed and efficiency, and no dust. If I were building decks, fixing church’s, building the odd thing and I was “time and material”......no way but for what I do, they are a perfect solution to very expensive and challenging obstacles.

Cheers

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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