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Lumberjocks directory

by jacob34
posted 05-17-2012 03:48 PM


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#1 posted 05-19-2012 09:34 PM

I kinda like figuring out who has sensible real advice… I don’t know how much effort it would take to generate and verify the kind of directory you’ve suggested.

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#2 posted 05-20-2012 01:52 AM

You have a good point and the information is out there available if you look

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#3 posted 05-20-2012 02:32 AM

Its not a bad idea, but who decides who’s “good” and who’s not? I might think someone is excellent at something and others might think him/her “not so good”. I think if you read threads about issues that interest you, you’ll soon learn who (in your opinion) are the ones you want to learn from.

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#4 posted 05-20-2012 01:51 PM

Hmm sikrap I am not sure, we are talking about the information not necessarily the persons credentials so maybe have agree option or helpful button and when a blog or forum gets x amount of votes it would move onto a list of most referenced or a list of people found helpful. I don’t know I find helpful information all over this site and enjoy looking for it, sometimes when looking for something specific it can take a while which also can be fun frustrating to at times.

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#5 posted 05-21-2012 05:20 PM

What you are asking for seems simple, but I can tell you it is not.

You’d need to build a database of people who have certain skillsets, areas of expertise, and styles and then categorize them. You’d need an impartial 3rd party arbiter(s) to decide where those people are experts. Not only that, you’ll have to deal with the politics of saying some people are good and some are bad (simply leaving someone off a list might be a message to them that they aren’t good at something). This could lead to huge issues and possibly some resentment or, worse, abandoning the site.

Not only that, even if these people on the list are experts, some of them may have very little time to sit down and constantly answer questions from the thousands of users we have. It’s not that they wouldn’t want to help, but helping may interfere with the rest of their life.

There are way too many skills and niches in woodworking to do this in any meaningful way. Your list is going to be massive and organizing it/making it user friendly may take more work than it’s worth.

Just put questions out when you have them and you’ll start learning who is knowledgeable and willing to help. Use the search often and see who normally fields the questions you would have. From there, build your buddy list to watch those people and see what they are posting next.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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#6 posted 05-21-2012 05:40 PM

Doss I completely agree, I will say that even if a directory were to be made it in no way in my opinion should mean that individuals on it are beholding to anyone. I just assumed as there is a tab for classes that there were jocks out there wanting to impart their knowledge and that if there was a way to find them easily it would sometimes be handy. I realize the logistics involved are not realistic or really needed, as well as the politics although as this is a woodworking site and not a daycare I would hope that if something like that did occur and they were left off as an adult they could deal with it accordingly.

Either way it was only a thought and thrown out there as such, I enjoy browsing the blogs and forums as much as anyone else and favorite things that either impact current projects or I think will in the future as well as buddy people who have projects and knowledge that I admire or feel mess well with what I am trying to do or are just bad $%^# woodworkers.

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#7 posted 05-21-2012 06:37 PM

although as this is a woodworking site and not a daycare I would hope that if something like that did occur and they were left off as an adult they could deal with it accordingly

Never underestimate man’s vanity. Like any large sampling of any population, everyone here acts differently and not everyone can be an adult about things all the time.

Luckily, there are enough of us on this site that try to help and, if they can’t, will point you to a user who can even if that user doesn’t normally respond to posts. That is really helpful. We have both a gift and a curse in the number of users on this forum. It’s great we have so many people to draw advice, inspiration, etc. from; but, at the same time, diving into all this material can consume many hours… err… months of time.

I have been following this forum for years now and didn’t post anything until a few months ago. By then, I already had built a knowledge of certain people I trust to give useful advice.

Also, speaking of which, check out this directory:

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/38134
Good luck!

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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#8 posted 05-21-2012 07:15 PM

I think maybe this is slightly going from a random thought to a deeper conversation, about maturity and our ability to problem solve versus the internal view of how we feel we should be viewed by the outside world compared to our insecurities we all constantly are reminded of.

Yes I am sure as we all have an inner child and do not have the ability to deal with life on a detached and unemotional mindset 100 percent of the time, there would be a few with responses that they may or may not regret at a later time.

I was merely trying to say there are a large array of woodworkers who have experience or looking for information which is out there in one way or another whether asking or answering and that it would be interesting if say you were wanting to build a rocking horse to be able to not only the rocking horse projects but information of say attaching the hair that maybe in a blog about someone who built a project no where related to a rocking horse but that jock has that information. Again it was a thought and not a demand or even a suggestion, kinda like wouldn’t it be nice if my dog could be trained to get me a beer or my garden pick itself.

I did not mean to offend Doss and am sorry if I did.

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#9 posted 05-21-2012 07:17 PM

Yes the directory knickknack did is very cool and handy not exactly what I meant. Very cool though

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#10 posted 05-21-2012 07:35 PM

another thing to consider is availability -

say LJ X is the known guru in joinery, but he hasn’t been online much lately, or is busy elsewhere. and while you are trying to contact and get a proper reply to your case from LJ X, you are missing LJ’s Y, Z, A, J, M, S, and H that are just as good perhaps, and are online TODAY.

I think the idea in general is good, but long term you’ll be limiting your views as opposed to keeping them open.

just my $0.02

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#11 posted 05-21-2012 07:49 PM

Jacob, I have no idea why you think you were offending me. I was just discussing it with you in a friendly manner (my typing and natural conversations tend to be very straight-forward but also congested with sarcasm). So, no worries there bud.

I was just trying to point out some things that make a list like you’re talking about almost impossible (you can implement it in some form, but it starts becoming a huge task (complexity and scope creep injection) as you begin to increase the variables that affect the algorithm).

I’ll add a little to what PurpLev is saying and also mention the time differences for some of us. We have members from all around the world and even if you use just the ones from the US as an example the time differences may prohibit delivery of an answer in a timely manner.

That, and some of us have entirely different working schedules (for instance I work 9-5 as a software engineer and then work on woodworking on the weekends, but I’m also on the computer almost nightly from 9 PM until 2 AM CST).

The idea is great. The politics, logistics, and data management hurdles to accomplish it aren’t fun though.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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#12 posted 05-21-2012 07:50 PM

Purplev I agree another thing to look at is how much information from LJ y,z and so on is from x or vise a versa. It is a good idea that should stay an idea a directory of this type implies that services are provided which would result in charges, which would drive away some of the well versed and experienced woodworkers.

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#13 posted 05-21-2012 08:19 PM

I did not think I had just apologizing if I had. I appreciate your opinions on the subject, fortunately I am realistic and will not lay in bed at night waiting for them to make one. It took a life of it’s own as well, I was only talking about the blogs, forums and projects provided by Jocks I think the Jock him or herself being subjected to constant questions would find that tiring very fast.

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#14 posted 05-24-2012 03:12 PM

I don’t think putting people into catagories is ever a good idea. For one, it can be restrictive and two, implies that such an individual is something of an “expert”. I am very good at what I do, but far from being an expert. Experts usually rely on credentials, whether they are indeed experts. It’s only tried and true results make an expert. Even experts make mistakes.

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#15 posted 05-24-2012 03:41 PM

What if we had a directory with a short list of the guys who are accepted as knowledgeable and experienced in certain areas of wood working.

I’ve been following this thread, but, let’s say such a directory did exist, then how would it work?
So, somehow we’ve created a list of “experts” in the area of, say, “fuming oak” (I pick this because it’s one of the few areas about which I know something, but expert? no). Now you come along with a question specifically about fuming oak. How do you utilise this list? Send PMs to those on the list? Create a forum topic that is, somehow, targeted to those people? How?
PMs is obvious, if intrusive, but also suffers from the fact that, presumably, the answers would be PMd as well.
Or perhaps I’ve misunderstood something.

But, I did, I think, come up with a possible solution to some of the “how do you define expert?” problems, towit, allow the jocks themselves to put themselves on the “expert list” for a given topic, which would basically mean that they are prepared, but of course not obliged, to answer specific questions on that topic.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#16 posted 05-24-2012 03:44 PM

Guys guys guys I was ultimately referring to information on one page not the labeling or bombarding of a lumberjock for assistance. Maybe it could be put better by thinking about our pages, with our blogs and projects as a book in a library and the directory as a card catalog of sorts. I just thought that if there was someway to put the information pertaining to say hand planes on here in such a way that it would be easier to get to all the information that revolves around that subject including things such as maybe a conversation on buying the depth stop for a Stanley no. 78.

I have been lucky enough to have a couple guys email me with information I was looking for but in no way would I feel comfortable emailing someone every time I had a question, we are all busy and would irritated with that fast.

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#17 posted 05-24-2012 04:28 PM

I guess I did misunderstand.

I think tags ought to be the solution, except, of course, that they are heavily abused :-(

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#18 posted 05-24-2012 04:36 PM

I understand you Jacob, but there is just too much information to organize (and lots of people are stuck on the politics and scale of the undertaking much like I was which is causing the response you’re getting).

This is what the search function is for right? As an analyst (I’m a software engineer actually), I know a lot of tricks for getting great search results.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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#19 posted 05-24-2012 04:38 PM

My point exactly, the information is out there. There is no need or at least rarely the need to contact a Lumberjock for an email. This site gives a gluttony of information it is the finding of it that can be daunting and while I enjoy looking through for hours searching half the time search just to see what it out there, some times it would be handy to find it faster.

It was just a thought, after all this site is helpful and something every woodworker should at least browse if not join. I know my knowledge has jump considerably since joining. Heck it is because of this site I even considered making an old womans tooth let alone information to make it easier.

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#20 posted 05-24-2012 05:16 PM

maybe Doss that is what we all need a class on tricks to find what your searching for you could call it “cutting through the bull” maybe just an idea.

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#21 posted 05-24-2012 05:25 PM

I fear I would run, screaming into the night, if some directory was created here. I’ve seen the abused too hard. Could you IMAGINE if marketing firm go ahold of it somehow? You’d be FLOODED with emails and other crapola you never wanted.

Jacob, just hang out for a while. You’ll see names repeat in the comment sections, projects abound, and blogs written in. You’ll quickly come to know who to go to for what info. Plus the site search function isn’t half bad.

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