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Bench planes at the ready

by lysdexic
posted 05-16-2012 02:30 AM


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#1 posted 05-16-2012 11:43 AM

You mention scrub, don’t forget it.

Blocks, I like to have a normal and low angle. I have seen a few with a camber as well, (like a small jack).

I just made my #4 jack, but I think its going to be useful as well. For the few bucks a cheap #4 cost, it may be worth having around.

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#2 posted 05-16-2012 12:02 PM

I think that’s a pretty respectable list. I use a standard angle block much more than a low angle; I prize the low angles more, though. I’ve never used a backbevel on a smoother. I tend to just use multiple #4s, each set to a thicker/thinner pass. I wouldn’t leave out a scraper plane but it doesn’t have to be a fancy one (#81 is my most used). I like to have a jack around with the frog set back and the bevel a little larger. I don’t fuss with cambers too much, but I probably should. I don’t own a luxurious BU jointer but I wish I did. I use the #8 for skew flattening and the #7 for jointing. As you probably remember, I spring the joint usually with the #3 or #4. Did we ever find out if I was describing that correctly?

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#3 posted 05-16-2012 12:26 PM

The real reason I ask is because I I have 3 jointers and looking for another. One side of my conflicted brain says that is crazy. I was sharpening last night and wondering why have more than one jointer. So in my effort to rationalize, I assigned a couple to slightly different tasks and I have them tuned and ready to go…..

LN #7 for jointing
Veritas BU with fence for edge/square jointing
(same) Veritas BU that I can put a 50 degree iron in for tough grain

So, Al, do you tune your #8 in any way for skew flattening? Wider mouth and heavier cut? Is it tuned and at the ready for this purpose?

This may give me a functional reason to have that third jointer, other than I just like to have it.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#4 posted 05-16-2012 12:28 PM

Scott, I have 4. I decided to sell 2. Wait, I have 5. Who’s crazier?

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#5 posted 05-16-2012 01:13 PM

Don, actions speak louder than words. You are an accomplished rescuer and restorer of neglected planes. I am not. I would expect you to have lots ‘o planes. Me, do I really have a reason to have 4 jointers? Of the ones that you keep, are you going to tweek them for different purposes?

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#6 posted 05-16-2012 01:19 PM

So your looking for the sane answer. I can only give you justification for 2, and even that is a stretch. One with a fence and one without. I don’t “spring” my glue UPS, so if you do, I guess you could add one more. See, you’re not as crazy as Al thought.

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#7 posted 05-16-2012 01:34 PM

^No, he is;) He’s sexier than I thought at first, too. Scott, I just like jointers, so I can’t see how you could have too many. On my #8, I just grind the bevel dead flat then knock off the corners a hair. I set it for a pretty light cut and just plan to be there a while. A delicate camber (RG-1) makes a lot of sense, too, but I’d have a hard time establishing it on the big #8 iron. If you want to spend mucho $$$, you could get the jig for your wet wheel.
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I tend to not enjoy really aggressive planing (scrub, etc.). I’d rather spend more time than more effort. I’ve got bad shoulders b/c LSU ortho operated on them. You won’t get any argument from me about buying more jointers. In fact, both the BU and standard LN were really close to coming home with me. I can’t buy any more planes until I finish my linen press and bench. Unless, of course, I need a new one for my linen press and bench construction:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#8 posted 05-16-2012 02:14 PM

Jeez, Al, I hope you didn’t get bad shoulders from improper use of your shoulder planes!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#9 posted 05-16-2012 02:20 PM

Ba bum Pysssh (cymbal crash)! ;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#10 posted 05-16-2012 02:22 PM

Every time I read a forum topic on planes I feel like I need to acquire more planes… i only have 4, a couple of #5’s and a couple of block planes… but it all makes sense now!! I really do need more planes! Jointer is next on my list… thanks for the great insight!

-- Chris G. ; Los Angeles, CA

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#11 posted 05-16-2012 02:39 PM

I have a very nice type 5 number 7 for sale. <wink>

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#12 posted 05-16-2012 02:46 PM

I have just purchased my first few planes but on principle I haft to say my opinion is that when you buy a tool your really practicing and refining your tool buying skills, so if your getting a plane for a purpose it is a squandering of a skill your developing to not buy another one and another one and well you get the point.

I am interested in seeing how this plays out as I will have multiple hand planes of the same type.

-- so a bear and a rabbit are sitting on a log

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#13 posted 05-16-2012 03:15 PM

I’m no help at all here. The till has one of each bench plane, and that’s enough of a variable to allow slightly different configs of jacks, smoothers, jointers, etc. without harboring multiples of any given number.

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#14 posted 05-16-2012 03:17 PM

^Smitty claims to have no duplicates. I am skeptical:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#15 posted 05-16-2012 03:34 PM

Thats why I like Smitty, he is my kind of guy. The voice of reason amongst the planaholics. And since he has only one of each he has more of a variety, such as his numerous joinery planes(side rabbet planes and such).

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#16 posted 05-16-2012 03:41 PM

reason amongst planaholics hmmm is that possible? Isn’t that kinda like a couple guys on the lake saying well if we stay out fishing all day our wives will be angry but if we only stay out most of the day they will only be upset.

-- so a bear and a rabbit are sitting on a log

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#17 posted 05-16-2012 03:44 PM

I don’t really see the reason for multiples of the same type either. I’ve got two 4s from being given one after buying the first. The second is sharpened and tuned and untouched on the shelf. I’ve now got two 6s because the first wouldn’t tune, turns out it was from the edge of the mouth not being beveled to match the angle of the frog from the factory. I will fix the issue at which point I will probably sell it and get something else. I only see the need to get the different types for the different purposes that they were designed for. The only way I would see an exception was if I could get different angles on a set of all of them to deal with figured wood.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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#18 posted 05-16-2012 03:48 PM

True, true, Perhaps Smitty’s addiction is just slightly different. He is probably scouring ebay on a daily basis for specific planes he doesn’t own where as others seem to scout for good deal on any plane so they end up with multiple #5’s and #4’s.

Don, I like the description Scott has for you, “rescuer and restorer of neglected planes”, makes it sound very noble.

Here is a radical idea guys, instead of multiple Jointers (for example) how about extra blades and chip breakers with different configurations? I know, not as fun as a whole new plane….

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#19 posted 05-16-2012 03:53 PM

I think our addiction will be cheaper and not as frustrating

-- so a bear and a rabbit are sitting on a log

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#20 posted 05-16-2012 03:56 PM

Okay, okay. In the interest of full disclosure, I have my dad’s purple #4 that is essentially on static display. Along with a pristine Craftsman #5 from the 50s with decal. Those will go to my dad’s shop someday, where the other bench is, because where there’s a bench, there needs to be bench planes…

That said, Scott’s OP asks how multiples are used. I just don’t use multiples. :-( Now if he’d ask how to use the #5 and it’s fractionals in different ways, I’d have input. Same as the #4 vs. #4 1/2. But alas…

I have the sickness just as much as many, but I’ve held to the bench plane series as much as possible so I can stretch my limited to $s into the joinery / block / specialty plane areas.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#21 posted 05-16-2012 03:59 PM

With blade changes comes frog re-adjustments. I like to avoid frog readjustments.

I’ve said many times we all work different, so I like multiples if it means a different configuration, blade angle, or complete use (as I’m a #5 as a smoother and a jack). Even different levels of cambers for more aggressive jacks.

I think Smitty is one of the most talented woodworkers here, and if he doesn’t have duplicates I know it’s possible to do great work, but I’ll always have dup’s until Smitty teaches me better.

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#22 posted 05-16-2012 04:02 PM

I just can’t walk by a cheap plane. I admit it, I have a sickness.

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#23 posted 05-16-2012 04:04 PM

Here is a survey question, maybe this deserves its own blog: When life gets more and more in the way of your shop time is the urge to buy a new tool even stronger?

I have a theory that the same instinct that drives woodworkers to make things is the same drive that makes us want to buy a new tool. I think the root of the issue is a new tool adds a new Skill or Capability which shop time also gives us. So while your at work researching and buying a new tool gives us that sense of accomplishment and skill development that shop time does. Conversely, when I get more time in the shop, I have less of a desire to buy a new tool…

I think it all goes back to our hunter gatherer instincts. Men need the satisfaction of killing something and dragging it home, whether it be a finished project or tool they scored a good price on which will help them complete that next project.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#24 posted 05-16-2012 04:11 PM

I have a very, very hard time passing one by, too. Last cheapie I found was a #6, maybe a T15. Bought it, listed it on CL and ended up selling it to a fellow LJ that responded to the ad. The tool is getting used now, and that’s better than having it on a shelf, collecting dust, in some dude’s man-cave.

And thanks, Don. I actually think of my stuff as being pretty pedestrian compared to the finished work folks post here on LJs. Present company included! :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#25 posted 05-16-2012 04:33 PM

Don only has one of each plane, too. He’s just “holding” the others for someone;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#26 posted 05-16-2012 04:35 PM

Also in full disclosure, Smit. I don’t actually have planes set up differently. I just have duplicates that I need an excuse for.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#27 posted 05-16-2012 04:58 PM

^lol, Al. You’re on a roll today!

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#28 posted 05-16-2012 05:20 PM

Alright. I like Don’s “sane” answer and Smit your comment is most helpful.

What about Jacks? I listed three set-ups for jacks:
-strong camber to follow a scrub
-slight camber for general stock removal
-low angle for end grain and shooting board

Would guys agree that there is a “sane” and functional reason to have three? No, Smitty? More Don? Al, you only have one jack that does all things?

Again, I find that when I am in the middle of a task I dont want to stop and switch out blades or adjust frogs. I’d like to pull a plane out of the till and have it optimized for a specific task. Surely, a lot of us have enough planes to pull this off.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#29 posted 05-16-2012 05:27 PM

I had multiple planes, then ended up getting the Veritas low angle set with a few diff blades. After a while i gave my other planes to my buddy.

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#30 posted 05-16-2012 05:31 PM

Scott, I have my 605 sharpened as a smoother, and yes I sometimes use it.

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#31 posted 05-16-2012 05:41 PM

For the scenario above, I have three jacks. #5 (heavy camber), #5 1/4 (mild camber, post-scrub/post-jack if needed because of its light weight) and the #62. The #5 1/2 has been kicked to the curb… haven’t found a use for that thing in any practical sense.

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#32 posted 05-16-2012 05:45 PM

Interesting Smitty but didn’t elaborate on the #62. Would you say the #62 is tuned for a special purpose? If so, how? What operation makes you think “Its time for the shiny 62?”

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#33 posted 05-16-2012 05:48 PM

It’s low angle… for… something… I guess…. :-)

You caught me.

It’s shiny.

and

I haven’t found it’s special purpose yet. Too long for a smoother, not a great jack, quite honestly. Still figuring it out…

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#34 posted 05-16-2012 05:54 PM

I am with you Smitty. I bought into the LN #62. I don’t really know its optimal use and, right now, I feel kind of silly owning it.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#35 posted 05-16-2012 05:57 PM

I still say ”because it’s pretty” is good enough.

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#36 posted 05-16-2012 05:59 PM

Three things confounding me with the #62

- There’s no place for my extended index finger to rest. Very wierd, but an issue

- I find myself trying to hold the tote low to the sole of the plane, for no apparent reason

- I have the A2 iron from LN on it, and it’s been hard to camber as much as I think I’d like it to be. So it’s kinda straight across, and that’s not very useful to me

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#37 posted 05-16-2012 06:31 PM

Smitty you are a man of strong principles and character. I can see you’re in a dilemma. I think you netter send that 62 to me. My principals are not that strong.

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#38 posted 05-16-2012 06:41 PM

Duly noted, Don! :-)

EDIT: Thought about, but only in passing, grinding off a #62 front and back to get closer to the #164 in length, for a LA smoother…

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#39 posted 05-16-2012 07:37 PM

No argument at all with “because its pretty.”

I am thinking about getting the first string ready for the game. Who plays what position and what preparation do they need.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#40 posted 05-16-2012 07:47 PM

WARNING: Purely Subjective Thought Ahead

Okay, I’ll bite. For benchwork, here’s my absolute core:

2 jacks (one heavy camber and one with mild-to-moderate camber)
1 jointer (pick one, fettle and sharpen it, and learn how to use it without a fence)
2 smoothers (#4, of course, and a #2 for smaller footprint, just-want-to-get-that-tearout solution)

Shooting? 1. Whatever you want.
Block? 1. Whichever is your favorite.

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#41 posted 05-16-2012 07:51 PM

I bought my 64 because it’s pretty. It is still pretty.

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#42 posted 05-16-2012 08:15 PM

I may be the odd one out but I usually sharpen and set all my planes the same way. I have one #5 with a cambered iron and my Scrubs have heavy cambers but thats about it. My larger jointer planes get sharpened with a straight bevel and on my smoothing planes I just knock down the corners a little bit when honing.

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#43 posted 05-16-2012 08:18 PM

Smitty – no warning needed. This is all opinion and I value yours, Dons and others (I tolerate Al only because he’s purdy). Our opinions may vary but your comment is exactly what I am looking for. I was wondering if someone had thought of something clever and would chime in with a comment such as:

“it is very handy to have a such and such plane fettled in such and such way so that when you perform such and such operation you don’t have to switch out this and adjust that.”

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#44 posted 05-16-2012 08:25 PM

I posted before I read you comment Dan. Thanks.

Now I know you have more than one smoother. Do they have different assignments?

This may be beating a dead horse. I have six smoothers (two 3’s, two 4’s and two 4 1/2’s) and I really only use one. But the crazy thing is that tempted to buy 164 or Veritas equivalent. If Smitty would just give me some inkling of a functional or operational reason it is needed then I could further feed my addiction. But alas, I guess I’ll just use what wonderful tools I have. Bummer. :^)

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#45 posted 05-16-2012 08:32 PM

I’m with you in spades, re: the #164, but I just can’t find the reason beyond Al’s. I thought the #62 would help me, but so far it hasn’t. Stupid rational thought…

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#46 posted 05-16-2012 08:35 PM

I’m thinking I just haven’t hit the gnarly wood types that will benefit from the angle, but once I do, it’ll be nothing less than a 38-degree bevel in said #164 that does the trick. Then I’ll be in tall cotton…

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#47 posted 05-16-2012 08:38 PM

Dan I’m so glad you said you sharpen your jointer iron with a straight bevel. I’ve never seen the point of cambering it. To me adding a camber to a jointer iron is tantamount to admiting you can’t use a jointer to square an edge. It isn’t a camber that you need, it’s practice.

Can someone help me down off my soapbox now please?

No hang on a minute! Scot why do you need a jack with a heavy camber and a jack with a light camber? You only need one bevel-down jack in my opinion. If you overlap your scrub passes, you won’t end up with lots of deep valleys that need a heavily cambered jack.

Ok, you can help me down now.

HELLO – ANYONE?

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#48 posted 05-16-2012 08:46 PM

Thats all fine and good Andy but you just elimainated another reason to own more than one jack.

I don’t put any camber into my blades except my scrub, jack and the tiniest bit in my smoother.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#49 posted 05-16-2012 08:51 PM

The result of this conversation is a bit of sadness. I have had a wonderful time acquiring planes but from an operational standpoint that is over. Unless I admit to collecting which I may. Still kind of a bummer.

The only plane that I feel I need is a moving fillister or equivalent.

OK – lets talk chisels! :^)

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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#50 posted 05-16-2012 08:54 PM

Who to disagree with first?

ok, lets start with Andy. You may be right, but multiple degrees a camber can be used for more or less stock removal. Now you may be right, you don’t NEED them, but for the cost of a Stanley #5 (typically less than $20) I’d say “why not”. I don’t use one after another, I use 1 or the other, depending the amount of stock that needs to be removed.

Next, I have found grain the the #62 has helped. My 604 is still my favorite smoother, but the #62 come in at #2. I use them for different grain. If you remember the blanket chest I made with the poplar top and oak trim, I had to use both to it them close enough for the scraper. It made we wish I had a 64. I will admit the 62 is a tad long for a smoother, but it worked.

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