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Get Rid Of Nonshop Talk

by DKV
posted 05-08-2012 05:26 PM

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#1 posted 05-08-2012 05:32 PM

Keep It.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#2 posted 05-08-2012 05:38 PM

get rid of it

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#3 posted 05-08-2012 05:58 PM

Keep it. There is some good stuff there if you ignore the political rants.

-- They say many people die because of alcohol. They never realized how many of them are born because of it.

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#4 posted 05-08-2012 05:59 PM

It has nothing to do with woodworking and has become a big distraction to what Lumberjocks is about.

Tempers lost, enemies made. It has gone well beyond its original intent.

My 2cents worth.

-- Rick Gustafson - Lost Creek Ranch - Colorado County, Texas

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#5 posted 05-08-2012 06:27 PM

polite discussion in todays world mmeans not discussing politics…...which has led us to the leaders we have today(yes from both major parties)

If a free society ignores the issues that confront us as problems we will ultimately lose the free portion of the aforementioned society.

argue away just get a thicker skin and don’t be an irational idiot about it.(you know who I mean)

If you don’t it just might be you

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#6 posted 05-08-2012 06:33 PM

Where would I go for dog pictures and bad jokes?!?

-- I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.

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#7 posted 05-08-2012 06:34 PM

+ 1000 doughan

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#8 posted 05-08-2012 06:39 PM

Keep it.
Sure, once in a while things get ugly, but I’ve learned a lot about a whole range of things of an off-topic flavo(u)r.

I was thinking about this a while back, and I thought – If my local bar was basically populated by woodworkers I’d go, of course, but I wouldn’t expect someone to monitor my conversations and stop me if I drifted onto a non-woodworking topic. If I started shouting and screaming abuse I would, but not otherwise.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#9 posted 05-08-2012 06:41 PM

Xwingace, you would go to the dog pictures website and the bad jokes website.

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#10 posted 05-08-2012 06:42 PM

Been asked for before. If you don’t like it don’t look at it.

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#11 posted 05-08-2012 06:44 PM

Jeff, but I got to. If it’s there then I have to look. Sort of like Pandora’s box…

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#12 posted 05-08-2012 06:47 PM

The trouble is certain people here cannot discuss without becoming bad temperred, even hostile/beligerrent to each other they should be desuaded from discussion otherwise the rest of us can have a discussion without as I was once accused of trying to start a bloodbath because I congratulated you on your new president OBAMA .No Bloodbath ensued despite negative vibes from one writer.Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#13 posted 05-08-2012 07:01 PM

I would just point out that the site operators have gone to great lengths to reach a happy medium on this issue. Those who do not wish to participate in any off-topic discussions no longer even have to view the titles of these posts, much less participate in those threads.

I don’t particularly care for the political name-calling topics, so I rarely read or take part in them. However, I do enjoy getting to know my fellow Lumberjock’s better through discussions related to other hobbies and interests not related to woodworking. Must we really throw the baby out with the bathwater?

DKV, I can’t speak to what your specific motivation is. But whenever someone calls for removal of the off-topic forum, I can’t help but wonder why they read posts that they know are likely to upset them. It almost seems like they know they can’t control themselves. They know they are going to read the posts, and they know they are going to get angry and upset, so they want Martin to remove the temptation which they know they are unable to resist.

Bottom line, IMO, is that the off-topic post issue has already been appropriately dealt with by the site owners.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#14 posted 05-08-2012 07:06 PM

I think it enriches the site.
Many many non-woodworking topics are great; MS Debbies photos for instance.
I don’t mind an ocassional referenct to other topics, even politics.

What I don’t like, and I think, what a lot of others don’t like are posts that are intended to incite a riot.
Like that thing yesterday that started out with “Okay all you smarty pants Obama Haters”. Now that was purely trolling for a fight. That is the type of crap I think we all can do without.

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#15 posted 05-08-2012 07:12 PM

I also like the “good” posts in nonshop talk. That’s why I read them. I like pix of dogs, bad jokes and trees. Maybe we could just say no politics and religion. That way we wouldn’t have to hide the nonshop talk subject lines. I would officially change my subject line from get rid of nonshop talk to get rid of politics and religion. There are plenty of sites to discuss both…

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#16 posted 05-08-2012 07:17 PM

I say keep it. But moderate the the the posts that are generated for the intentional purpose of working people into a frenzy. Those guys know who they are.

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#17 posted 05-08-2012 07:26 PM

The best Defence is a good Offence.

Smile, Shake or Nod your head and Walk away unscathed.

Click your Mouse and move on. – Len

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#18 posted 05-08-2012 07:27 PM

I like cake..can we have a cake forum?


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#19 posted 05-08-2012 07:30 PM

I like it, but do really need the politics and religion talk? I’m all about the other non-shop topics.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#20 posted 05-08-2012 07:33 PM

What?!? there is a Non-Shoptalk forum?

I can honestly say that it does not upset me at all. I am completely uninterested in politics and religion, and do not even bother checking ANY of the threads that might suggest going there – not even political jokes – and I do like jokes).

I do however like the nonshop thread about other interests of fellow LJs like the photography threads, and the jokes threads, and some other mind-expanding threads that go beyond the woodworking realm.

I really don’t think it’s that hard avoiding that which you want to avoid. taking it away for everyone – now that’s not very nice is it?


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#21 posted 05-08-2012 07:40 PM

this is the first time I have looked at off topic forums. My first thought…......The lack of maturity is phenomenal!!! Personally I wear my hair almost to my waist just to make sure the Haters have something to hate. Self induced minority. It’s like trolling for ignorance. keep the forum but don’t waiste your time readind dribble…..A sure sign of ignorance is when you think you know everything.

--,the best teacher is repetition.

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#22 posted 05-08-2012 09:18 PM

”..... but I got to. If it’s there then I have to look. Sort of like Pandora’s box…”

That sounds more like a weakness on your part than a problem with this site. At my age, I should know better, but I’m always amazed at people who want to impose their ideals on everyone else. Have you ever heard
“Live and let live?”

-- Adversity doesn't build reveals it.

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#23 posted 05-08-2012 09:29 PM

I admit my curiosity is a weakness of mine. I also admit that I like most of the topics on nonshop talk. I’m not trying to change the world just trying to get rid of two no win situations…politics and religion discussions. That’s all Sawkerf, just that.
Also, when guys start calling each gay and talking trash about their wives and fiances and discussing with god whether or not they should publicly disgrace a member, then something is wrong and that is not “live and let live”. I still say get rid of politics and religion and keep dog pix, bad jokes and great looking trees. I love the scenery pix also…

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#24 posted 05-08-2012 09:45 PM

If you get rid of it, then the discussion will just happen in the other forums. It is my experience that people who want to silence others are mostly afraid of what the others might say. Ideas are what free thought and expression is all about. There really is not much of a problem here and if there is it is dealt with so why try to create one?

-- Haming it up in the 'bash.

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#25 posted 05-08-2012 09:54 PM

I do not believe in organized religion and I vote independent. Not much to fear there. Ham, I can truthfully say your life experiences do not fit me. I agree with the free thought and expression, but a lot of it gets nasty and degrading.
Also, I do not see how a discussion concerning saws, wood or planes could evolve to a discussion on politics or religion. IMO

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#26 posted 05-08-2012 09:58 PM

Where would I go to make people look foolish about their points of view?

Rule number 2: The most fun you can have in this world is at someone else’s expense.

My kids were brought up on some of these rules.

The first one is; Everything you need to know in life you can learn from Star Trek.

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#27 posted 05-08-2012 10:00 PM

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#28 posted 05-08-2012 10:04 PM

Brad, I like cake as long as it is chocolate. If you do not like chocolate cake then you do not know what the hell you are talking about. It’s chocolate or nothing…I say so. And, I’m always right.

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#29 posted 05-08-2012 10:05 PM

What a beaut dog Brad.

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#30 posted 05-08-2012 10:09 PM

My “Suzie” after a hard morning of chasing ducks out of the back yard.

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#31 posted 05-08-2012 10:11 PM

Definately do not

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#32 posted 05-08-2012 10:15 PM

Jack, how about we keep nonshop talk and get rid of politics and religion?

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#33 posted 05-08-2012 10:16 PM

Maybe we just make a seperate Non-shop talk forum just for Religion and Politics.
It’s the equivelant strategy of “put ‘em in a room and let ‘em duke it out.”

The other Non-shop talk forum would be for everything else like dogs, trees and lame jokes.

On the other hand, I like it just the way it is. (I have enough self control to stay away from obvious politcal and religious topics)

Kindly disregard everything I just said.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#34 posted 05-08-2012 10:17 PM

If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out. Or just ignoring those posts might be easier.

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#35 posted 05-08-2012 11:07 PM

I’ve been away from LJ’s for a few months, the ‘Great Jock War of 2012’ in the NSTF was just too much for me.

It got to the point where people were slagging each others projects off.

Not pretty.

Not nice.

Not something I wanted to be associated with.

Lots of shouting and even threats of physical abuse and wishes of ill-fortune to fellow Lumberjocks.

Surprising carry-on for a website whose average age of member must be 58+?

The problem isn’t the NSTF, the problem is the behaviour of just a handful of members who are constantly spoiling for a fight. They each have their camps, and each have their followers. The NSTF is not moderated and the bigots and trolls get away with winding each other up.

They love it.

They can’t get enough.

Don’t ban religion and politics, don’t get rid of the NSTF (where else would we see the genius of moment), just do something about the bad apples.
I don’t know what’s going on currently that’s making you want to get rid of the NSTF, but to do so would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. There have been some absolutely priceless comic gems in the past. Lose the NSTF and you lose them too.

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#36 posted 05-08-2012 11:31 PM

Dont like it dont look at it.

I have seen fights over wood and tools too.

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#38 posted 05-09-2012 12:51 AM

Shipwreck…cool dogie..Lets make it..only pics of your dog on a couch..and chocolate cake..


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#39 posted 05-09-2012 12:54 AM

We should probably ban discussions of Sawstop and BLO while we’re at it. Those two topics create a lot of controversy. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#40 posted 05-09-2012 12:56 AM

David, do you have a pic of a dog eating a chocolate cake? (Hmmmmm….. never mind. Dogs aren’t supposed to eat chocolate.)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#41 posted 05-09-2012 01:10 AM

OK..let me get it straight…no politics, no religion, no Saw Stop, no BLO, no debates about metric/Inches…
Yes to dogs, dogs on couches, chocolate cake, and dogs eating cake…but no to dogs on couches eating chocolate cake?


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#42 posted 05-09-2012 01:22 AM

Speaking of dogs, dogs have tails. Let’s also ban the discussion of whether to cut tails or pins first.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#43 posted 05-09-2012 02:00 AM

We can ban whatever you want to ban as long as politics and religion are on the list. See, I can accomodate everyone. Except when it comes to R&P. and angel food cake. and strawberry ice cream. and cherries on top of a choc..well cherries on top of anything. Anything else we should ban?

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#44 posted 05-09-2012 02:30 AM

Chocolate will kill a dog.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected !

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#45 posted 05-09-2012 02:37 AM

So we ban dogs…

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#46 posted 05-09-2012 02:52 AM

Keep the forum but bring back the Coffee Lounge rules. No politics, no religion.

I don’t want to silence anyone, I just don’t want to come to a woodworking website to read or see titles related to it. Period. I’ll visit somewhere else when I’m in that sort of mood. For now, I just want to relax and look at some amazing woodworking projects and posts :)

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#47 posted 05-09-2012 03:03 AM

<sarcasm> ... and after that, maybe we can hit the library and burn some books. </sarcasm>

For me, this site has been of great educational and entertainment value. I can’t believe I get to be a member for free. Everyone on here is always willing to throw out a thought or suggestion no matter what my question – wood related or not. It’s been great. I’m hard pressed to think of where I’ve come across a better “community”.

That being said, if someone wants to create a post about wanting to legalize their right to marry their chinchilla who used to be their sister in a past life, I couldn’t care less. If it doesn’t interest me, I don’t participate. I don’t let it ruin my life, and I certainly don’t feel the need to silence anyone… unless they’re a fan of Twilight. Those people seriously need to go. They creep me out.


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#48 posted 05-09-2012 11:33 AM

Keep it. I like to know where people stand, on all things.
It should be moderated, but don’t get rid of it.

-- Mel,

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#49 posted 05-09-2012 11:37 AM

Keep it…if you don’t like the forum don’t go there,free choice is what’s it about…...shinju

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#50 posted 05-09-2012 01:13 PM

I don’t participate on non-shop too much. I do look at it on and off. Don’t have too much of a problem with something when I’m free to open it up and close it when I please. The way the owners of the site have done it you really have to go out of your way to look for it. To me it’s just fine the way it is. If people want to argue with each other they’ll just do it in another section so why not keep it off to the side and out of the way?


-- helluvawreck aka Charles,

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