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The Left's War on Ann Romney and Women

by Joe Lyddon
posted 04-19-2012 05:23 PM


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lwllms

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#1 posted 04-19-2012 10:45 PM

Just one question, Joe. I know being a stay-at-home mother isn’t easy but is it harder when she has five homes with five domestic staffs to manage?

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Sawkerf

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#2 posted 04-19-2012 11:51 PM

Did Ann Romney actually have domestic staff? As I heard it, she didn’t.

This thing is really annoying IMO. Apparently, Ann Romney was being criticized for expressing an opinion regarding economic issues important to women. Since when does having money invalidate an opinion? Is there an economic litmus test that says that having more than a certain amount of money eliminates the right to have (and voice) an opinion? Has there been a study showing that the validity of an opinion increases as income devreases?

Quite frankly, I’m becoming pretty disappointed in Obama and the democratic party. They’re on a populist kick and anyone who has been financially successful is being demonized. This whole “we” v.s. “them” is just wrong.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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Joe Lyddon

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#3 posted 04-20-2012 12:17 AM

Someone on the Democratic side said something about Stay at Home Working mothers, like Mrs. Romney, as not being really part of the Working Labor force… I think that was the fuse that got lit…

I don’t think there is a Stay at Home Mom that comes close to agreeing with that statement!

It has been along time since my wife, a Stay at Home Mom since our marriage, has been driving all over the place for This lesson, That lesson, pick’em up from there, taking them here, washing & mending all of the clothes, shopping for clothes, planning all of the menus, buying all of the groceries, cooking, learning this & that, teaching & helping with any Home Work, paying bills, and having time left over to relax with dinner & watching TV (when it fits in to their schedule) LOL… Reading them bedtime stories… going to movies… only to mention SOME of what they do!

Who can say that is NOT meaningful WORK?!

I don’t see how she did it all! She was going, going, going ALL of the TIME!

If that type of work was being done MORE Today than the way it is NOW, I think the children would probably be a lot better off.

... and top of all that, she was well aware of what was going on in the world!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#4 posted 04-20-2012 01:30 AM

I enjoyed that video Joe. Regarding stay at home mums, Marlene was one, she brought up our son who is now a credit to her, did the housework, cooked the meals, did all the decorating, left the house for only a couple of hours a week to do the grocery shopping and on top of all that, because I operated a TV repair business from home and was out on the road most of the day, she answered the ever ringing phone and operated the two way radio. Joe, most, if not all men would have difficulty doing that lot for even a day, let alone the nine years before I moved into shop premises. I firmly believe that most successful men have a great wife behind them.

-- Harry, Western Australia

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Howie

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#5 posted 04-20-2012 02:37 AM

Why would anyone think a stay at home mom doesn’t have her work cut out for her.
If someone hires a maid/nanny/butler etc. they are going to “work” everyday, right?
We are entering into the “point your finger” stage of this election year and as far as I’m concerned both sides suck when they do this. It just gets worse from here on out.

-- Life is good.

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jeepturner

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#6 posted 04-20-2012 03:09 AM

Mitt say’s they didn’t have a maid. But there is some talk about several au pairs. Kinda like everything else I guess semantics. But here is a little of what started it here in the states, this Mitt talk of war on women.
It started with some big government supporting republicons introducing legislation across the country like the
following:
http://legiscan.com/gaits/view/365237
https://news.change.org/stories/alaska-restricts-abortion-rights-with-parental-notification-law
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/hb2443p.pd
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/03/11/rapert-bill-similar-to-virginias-on-invasive-ultrasound

Well I don’t have all night to post all the big government legislation but here’s a link to it.

Oh yeah I like this one because it illustrates just how far these big government republicons will go when in power.
Indiana (House Bill 1210) wants to force doctors to lie to women about abortion causing breast cancer despite medical evidence to the contrary in order to discourage women from having abortions.

So to make it all seem, as if it is the Democratic party instituting a war on women, Mitt takes offense at a talking head on TV that stated his wife has never worked a day in her life. In my opinion I agree that she doesn’t know the first thing a bout what it’s like to work. But that is neither here nor there. It’s my opinion.
But for Mitt to shake the etch-a-sketch and claim that a phrase constitutes a war on women as apposed by the substantive argument of the majority of women who think that trying to pass laws to limit women’s choices in controlling their own bodies, is one of his biggest lies. And truly that is saying something when it comes to him fabricating stories to suit his ambitions.

-- Mel,

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Joe Lyddon

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#7 posted 04-20-2012 03:41 AM

I really wish Abortion & Everything about it were OUT of the Government concern!

It wastes SO MUCH TIME… and is such a meaningless Campaigning subject!

Let’s leave it up the to:

1. The expectant Mother…

... OR …

2. The individual States to decide!

Get it out of the Federal level… it’s none of their fricken business!

That is ONLY my Opinion!

You have the Right to your Opinion!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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muleskinner

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#8 posted 04-20-2012 04:09 AM

I feel sorry for Ann. Even her husband seems to think that stay-at-home moms don’t really work.

“I wanted to increase the work requirement. I said, for instance, that even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work. And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’”

Mitt Romney 1/4/2012

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Joe Lyddon

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#9 posted 04-20-2012 04:21 AM

It’s a shame that Mitt wasn’t around, now & then, to witness the True Homeland Operation!

It’s pure poetry in motion!

Some one… like his wife, should get him up to Speed on the subject… don’t ya think?!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Howie

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#10 posted 04-20-2012 11:20 AM

Let’s leave it up the to:

1. The expectant Mother…

... OR …

2. The individual States to decide!

I don’t even think the state should have any say so…it’s the woman’s body, solely her decision.
When you have a worth of 270 million I don’t think you are tuned in to the average persons’ everyday life.

-- Life is good.

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#11 posted 04-20-2012 11:41 AM

I agree with both Howie and Sawkerf, oddly enough. I don’t believe that having money invalidates an opinion, but it might skew it. I slight slightly different political philosophies when I was in school versus employed. They weren’t drastic, but I had little interest in tax brackets until I was in one:)
.
I’d have a difficult time accepting the government’s direction involving my uterus. If the DMV or the Post Office is their shining example of decision-making, I’m not sure I want them in charge of my organs. Wait, I don’t think I have a uterus.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#12 posted 04-20-2012 05:51 PM

Howie…

Good point… I tend to agree with you… Cut all the Red Tape… Simplify the whole thing… get ALL Government OUT of it…

Leave it up to the person who should KNOW all about it…

... The prospective Mother!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#13 posted 04-20-2012 06:29 PM

I didn’t view the video. Is there more to “the Left’s War on Women” than Hilary Rosen’s remark about Ann Romney not working a day in her life? At worst a petty criticism, not hardly a vicious attack. Frankly, Mrs. Romney probably is not the leading authority on the perspectives of mothers that also work outside the home, nor on the perspectives of economically challenged mothers. But that is not to say her opinions are not valid.

On the other side of the coin, I don’t buy into any attempt to demonize Mitt Romney for his statements (as governor, I suppose) that welfare mothers should also receive child care support and be required to work outside the home. Not sure whether this is optimal or even practical policy, but it strikes me as a genuine effort to do the right thing. I could vote for that.

I agree with Joe in that I also wish abortion was not a campaign issue. But it most certainly is a governmental issue – to draw an appropriate line between the rights of the expectant mother and the rights of the child. That line has to be somewhere later than conception and earlier than full-term. But there is no perfect answer. Every situation where abortion is considered is a tragedy, often with no “good” option. We should all accept that, and leave the final decision, as much as we can, to the individuals most impacted by it. Several States are shamefully meddling in this painful decision – and have clearly demonstrated that state govermnents are too irresponsible on this issue.

-- Greg D.

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Sawkerf

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#14 posted 04-20-2012 09:27 PM

Howie -

When you have a worth of 270 million I don’t think you are tuned in to the average persons’ everyday life.

That’s undoubtedly true, and I would counter with the statement that having a worth of $270 would also place someone out of tune with the average person’s everyday life. Does that make their opinion invalid, too?

Continuimg on that path, let’s set boundaries above and below the average persons economic situation. Only those who can demonstrate that they fall within the boundaries are entitled to express an opinion. Everyone else has to sit down and shut up.

Not as long as I’m breathing and able to get to a ballot box!!

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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Howie

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#15 posted 04-20-2012 10:11 PM

Don’t think I mentioned opinions. What I was talking about is everyday life of the average tax paying person.People with 270 million don’t really care about average people(the have nots) opinion. They do not have any conception of what it’s like to worry about putting food on the table,paying the mortage,how much it costs to send a kid to school and the list goes on. The person with $270 is well aware of it.

-- Life is good.

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#16 posted 04-20-2012 11:02 PM

If you didn’t watch “Zo” do his “thang” you missed a GREAT video. Alphonzo Rachel has the talent to put things into perspective. If these liberal pundits think running a household and raising FIVE kids is easy? Maybe they need to “walk a mile” in a housewife’s shoes. As for this issue of abortion it seems odd that many of the “right to choose” crowd have MORE sensitivity toward ANIMAL RIGHTS than they do to their own species.

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#17 posted 04-20-2012 11:10 PM

Where in the world did you get the idea that “rich” people “don’t really care” about the opinion of others? Your statements reinforce my belief that Obama’s efforts to generate class warfare are working all to well.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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jeepturner

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#18 posted 04-21-2012 12:04 AM

Sawferf, that is called confirmation bias. You take a statement of opinion and turn it into something that supports an opinion that you all ready have. Confirmation bias is why those making 270 million a year don’t appear to care for an average person’s opinion, because often times it contradicts the opinion they all ready have. It does prove that they are human though, because we all suffer from the same frailness.
Bob just as it is hard to get past the seemingly contradictory opinions of thinking a women should have a right to chose an abortion and protecting the “rights” of animals, it is also hard to get past the contradictory opinions that we should not offer birth control to women and that unmarried mothers are just having kids to game the system. Both sides of the aisle have these contradictions, but I didn’t post my post to drive the conversation to the one of choice.
I made my post to address to readers in countries outside the US that when the republicons state that there is left wing “War on Women” it is a far fetched extrapolation from the comments of one women who simply stated the truth as she sees it. This versus the idea that the rightwing nuts who came into power across the US in 2010 have made a strong and concerted effort of limiting the choices of women. From legislating away their right to chose as well as attempting to limit their ability to obtain healthcare at the same cost as it is for men, limiting their rights to obtain birth control. I think that a fair evaluation would make the skeptic come to the conclusion that a phrase might not be as big a deal as passing or attempting to pass legislation that attacks women’s rights.
I know that I will not convince any of you all that disagree, and I want you to know that isn’t my intent when I post to this political thread or that political thread. My intent is to let others who may not know that there is a contravening opinion.
Joe said in another post that he doesn’t watch fox(GOP on TV) news, I take him for his word on that. It sure seems that the GOP on TV is following your posts Joe. Maybe you should copy right them? :-)
Joe I think it does say something to your character that you have an opinion that doesn’t reflect party affiliation, and I tip my hat to you for that.

-- Mel,

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#19 posted 04-21-2012 12:31 AM

Fox news claims that there is only a war on political women and not on women in general but that might be due to the right leading the charge on wrecking women’s rights. It doesn’t matter what one talking head says over the actual votes and political actions of those we’ve elected to power.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/351127/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-battle-for-the-war-on-women
Stewart is as funny as always.

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#20 posted 04-21-2012 01:13 AM

jeepturner:

I get information from various sources… Fox News is NOT one of them... directly.
I really don’t know where it originally came from … if it “pushes my button” and I think it’s important to pass on… it may have come from Fox News, but I don’t really know about it.

I am in favor of the use of E-Verify… I think it would help… I’m sorry to see that the Republicans are not in favor of it.

I am just plain SICK of the Abortion subject… There are so many more important problems that need to be fixed.
I would like to see it somewhere else… it’s always a campaign subject to fight about THAT NEVER GETS FIXED! ... and it just stays & stays… waiting to be fought about again on the NEXT campaign… I’m sick of it!
Leave it up to the prospective mother to decide… Maybe show her a video on subject to her fully educated… and leave it up to her!

I tend to call it like I SEE IT regardless of the Party.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#21 posted 04-21-2012 01:20 AM

Why is it that the right wing wing nuts are primarily a bunch of religeous holier than thou fanatics? By that, I mean they want ALL women to be subservent to men, walk two steps behind, barefoot and pregnant, and not have control of their own bodies. By proof: go to Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson speaches, i.e., ” the Bible shows where Women should be in life”.

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Howie

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#22 posted 04-21-2012 01:47 AM

Where in the world did you get the idea that “rich” people “don’t really care” about the opinion of others? Your statements reinforce my belief that Obama’s efforts to generate class warfare are working all to well.”

I didn’t vote for the a&*^%^&

Well said Mel

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#23 posted 04-21-2012 07:08 AM

Let’s leave it up the to:

1. The expectant Mother…

... OR …

2. The individual States to decide!

We tried that and these two things were mutually exclusive so it became necessary for the Court to step in and interpret the issue according to the Bill of Rights. Freedom means people get to do things with which you disagree.

Also, still waiting to hear how you believe the bell curve should apply to income redistribution.

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#24 posted 04-21-2012 01:42 PM

I too believe that the “right” to an abortion should be determined by the states. I also feel that in the cases of these “welfare baby machines” that perhaps MANDATORY birth control should be implemented. There are several methods that are available other than sterilization. Case in point:
Baby Maker is Family Breadwinner – Welfare At Its Worst
OK, now this letter has been confirmed by Truth or Fiction.

But Snopes says “it’s a second hand account”
Why would a doctor lie about something like this? Also the numbers expressed by the letter according to Snopes are inaccurate. But even so maybe Granny should tell this “young lady” to ”KEEP YOUR DAMNED LEGS TOGETHER YOU “HO”!

-- OK, who's the wise guy that shrunk the plywood?

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