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Why Lumberjocks is my home

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posted 04-19-2012 07:16 AM


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#1 posted 04-19-2012 07:20 AM

I signed up for Lumberjocks after reading a post saying how Sawmill Creek’s administration/moderation was screwed up.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#2 posted 04-19-2012 08:11 AM

SMC used to be a really nice community. Still is in some ways because there are still some great folks there, but what was once a non-profit website, is now a for profit business. You have to be a “contributor” to even look at their classifieds. I still cruise the site sometimes, but it really has changed, and not for the better IMO.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#3 posted 04-19-2012 09:20 AM

The forestry forum is just as bad. The idiot who runs it kicked me off because I posted a link to craig’s list where someone was selling a portable sawmill at a give away price. He expected anything sold on his site to give 10% to him.

Lumberjocks allows posting links to the products you are selling while a lot of other woodworking sites do not. Having links to both your business site and the online auction sites helps your site rise in the search engines. Blocking all offsite references reduces the value of a website to members. The management of Lumberjocks is to be commended for the even handed way they operate this website! Thanks Martin! I hope your business continues to grow. I’ll do all I can to provide content to help you and the Lumberjocks community.

-- Hal, Tennessee http://www.first285.com

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#4 posted 04-19-2012 11:35 AM

I love it here. Whats sawmill creek?

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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#5 posted 04-19-2012 11:43 AM

anything sold on his site to give 10% to him.
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I literally laughed out loud at this. I was a member there well before LJ b/c LJ wasn’t accepting new members at the time. You’re right that there are some great people there. Just goes to show how an administration can ruin everything. I’ve seen it in real life too:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#6 posted 04-19-2012 11:48 AM

I have an account with sawdust soup but very little happens there – mostly commercial folks. This place has developed into a good mix of new to woodworking, seasoned craftspeople and artists that are willing to help anyone that asks for it.

With all of its ups and downs, this is a class act. Well done MsDebbie and Martin.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#7 posted 04-19-2012 12:10 PM

One of the differences between Lumberjocks and all other forums I’ve been too is the users. When I signed up 104 days ago, I was welcomed by four people on my profile. I dismissed these welcomes as robots. Hospitality on the Internet? It’s too good to be true! I later realized these were actual users that contribute to Lumberjocks.

Another difference is the equality of users. I have never once seen a flashy title saying, “Moderator”. I’ve been on some forums where the moderators needed a slap in the back of the head with a chainmail glove. I went on a forum to ask a question and a moderator gave some advice to someone which was clearly incorrect and it was pointed out by another user. The moderator said, “I’m a moderator, what I say is correct.” The nerve of some people…

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#8 posted 04-19-2012 12:40 PM

GOOD MORNIN’, Lance,

Your Rant ,,,so eloquently stated. IMHO. :-) . My sentiments exactly.

Welcome to LumberJocks , a world of advise, opinions, and experiences, all shared without judgement. – Len

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#9 posted 04-19-2012 12:41 PM

Don’t know much about Sawmill Creek.

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#10 posted 04-19-2012 12:41 PM

Lumberjocks Rocks….what else is there to say. Why go anywhere else??????

This is the greatest website on the net!..............................Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#11 posted 04-19-2012 12:54 PM

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-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#12 posted 04-19-2012 01:16 PM

Right on, Dude! I also believe that any private enterprise whose policies don’t allow me to promote my own business must be run by a bunch of …

On edit: that didn’t take long.

-- Visualize whirled peas

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#13 posted 04-19-2012 01:32 PM

I remember SMC when it wasn’t like you are describing it and then I saw the shift to what you are not describing. They grew way too fond of themselves. Sad, because there was a group of great guys there at one time, and I learned a lot from them.

-- John -- Racine, WI -- Woodworking..."It's not just a Hobby, it's an Adventure"

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#14 posted 04-19-2012 02:05 PM

I had a similar issue with Sawmill Creek, I blogged about it here some time ago.

They’re like the woodcutter looking for the forest but unable to find it because there are too many trees in the way. They claim to want a forum where woodworkers can get everything they need, but they refuse to allow free expression.

Try to put a tool review on there! Won’t happen because they will accuse you of getting paid by the tool company to do the review.

Try to post a YouTube video...better make sure that YouTube doesn’t put an add at the bottom of your video because Sawmill Creek will lose their minds over that!

Have a nickname? You’d better know someone because only the moderators and their buddies get to use them over there. Even if you register in your real name and use it on your profile, you will get in trouble if you just refer to yourself occasionally by a nickname.

If someone asks a question about where to get a tool, you’d better not respond because you will then be accused of advertising for Woodcraft, etc. (Stinks when someone is looking for a good deal on a scraper or something and you can’t put up a link to the Woodcraft ad that has them for half off.)

Want to show someone a tool or project on an outside site? Better not link to it because if there is an ad anywhere on that site you’ll get a butt kicking from the moderators.

They want their forum to be an isolated little kingdom where they have full control of what you buy, what you talk about, and what other woodworking content you see.

I was a contributing member (that means I gave them money). But when I did a video review of the Worksharp 3000 they accused me of being on the Worksharp dole, as if that is the only reason anyone would review a tool. Then they openly mocked me and my videos, emailing me and telling me they didn’t think the videos were funny, or useful. I asked how telling me that was at all useful, and they denied it, as if I was an idiot and didn’t have their emails right in front of me. (I know I called you an idiot, but I didn’t call you an idiot…)Then they said I had an attitude problem. These are the moderators! They have a private forum only they access and they actually told me that they spent the previous evening mocking me among themselves.

The funny thing was, I never advertised anything. I registered under my real name, and never referred to “Stumpy Nubs” except in my videos. I didn’t link to my website, I didn’t offer any of my sketchup plans for sale. I never said anything controversial, not even to them, not even when they were insulting me like little children. They just decide they don’t like you and that’s that.

Needless to say I demanded my account closed and my posts removed. They couldn’t understand why?

Maybe they thought I was small potatoes. I suppose I am. But the thousands of people who tune in to Blue Collar Woodworking every week will never hear me promote Sawmill Creek, I can tell you that much…

Lumberjocks, on the other hand, gets lots of plugs from me. And I know of more than a few who have joined this site after I promoted it through one of my contests, Facebook posts, or Tweets. I also know of several who have left Sawmill Creek after hearing of my experience.

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#15 posted 04-19-2012 02:08 PM

Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much biology
Don’t know much about a science book
Don’t know much about the French I took

But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me too
What a wonderful world this would be

StumpyNubs … loves me … “like a fat guy loves cake.”

And that’s plenty good enough for me :-)

-- -- Neil

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#16 posted 04-19-2012 02:14 PM

This was the first site I came across in my search for information on a number of different searches so I signed up. Further searches for information hasn’t yielded anything better and I like a lot of the people here so I’ve stayed.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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#17 posted 04-19-2012 02:14 PM

The only part of “the creek” i hang out at is the Neaderthal bunch. Another site?? I was kicked out of WOOD’s little kingdom a long time ago. I slip back in there, as a “guest” just for a good laugh. About all that site offers to me. Don’t rile their Mods, either, or you WILL get “Caller unkown’ phone calls screaming at you. BTDT.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#18 posted 04-19-2012 02:30 PM

I think I’ll go eat a piece of cake right now… it’s five o’clock somewhere…

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#19 posted 04-19-2012 03:03 PM

Jonathan:

Yet another example of tribalism.

It was an important tool in the evolution of the species, but … like so many others … it’s utility is now greatly outweighed by the damage it does.

-- -- Neil

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#20 posted 04-19-2012 03:06 PM

Jonathan, it started out as a hate-for-SMC post. :-) I think the site moderators edited out a lot of the harsh language used in a few of the earlier posts.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#21 posted 04-19-2012 03:14 PM

I live right off of Muddy Creek…but what/where is sawmill creek?
Every once in a while you gotta have a little gravy with your biscuits…

-- If retiring is having the time to be able to do what you enjoy then I have always been retired.

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#22 posted 04-19-2012 03:52 PM

I’ve only tried two other forums, but there seem pretty dead. Even LJ has been rather dead lately. Too many off topic posts if you ask me. I realize it’s spring and there are a lot of other projects people work on, so I’m pretty sure the lull I see in LJ is just a seasonal thing.

I love it here. Can’t imagine finding a better place.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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#23 posted 04-19-2012 03:56 PM

Tyrone, I actually sent a reply message back to the greeters when I signed up on Lumberjocks. It was to the effect that even if this welcome message were bot-generated, it’s nice for real users to welcome you… no matter how short that welcome is.

I have been a moderator on other sites and I’m still a member of other communities (I have a lot of hobbies/interests).

I tried to join SawmillCreek but my name must appear funny to them or something, because they removed me as a member not once, not twice, but three times! I even sent a message to them after the first time letting them know I’m an actual person. No response. So, after the third time, I sent them a message on why I would never bother with signing up for them again and that I will let people know the level of community they will receive as a new member.

I like Lumberjocks because most people here are generally willing to help, the site provides freedom to speak about other sites, reviews, and projects.

-- "Well, at least we can still use it as firewood... maybe." - Doss

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#24 posted 04-19-2012 04:01 PM

hmm I never considered any other forum other than this for wood working. Actually I didn’t even look for another site. this one is put together so well and everyone on here is so helpful and kind, it just made sense to join here.
3 Cheers for LumberJocks !! :)

-- Steve - Wasilla, Alaska

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#25 posted 04-19-2012 04:16 PM

I’m here because it’s a community, not just a site…

As previously mentioned, willingness to help and advise, the endless levels of experience among members, and the [more or less] free rein that we have for posting/saying what we like is great. It makes it feel no different than if I were just sitting in a room talking to the folks here :-)

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#26 posted 04-19-2012 04:40 PM

Sounds like they should be in the OLD East Germany before the Wall came down!

They are REALLY paranoid aren’t they?!

I knew they were bad… but NOT THAT BAD!

I agree with you, Lance… We don’t need that!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#27 posted 04-19-2012 05:16 PM

Forming an opinion about a site that you are not a member of or have never given the time of day to is pure ignorance.

Is it different than this site? Yup.

Are there a large group of very knowledgable and helpful members there? Yup.

Does there have to be an us against them mentality? Nope. Not unless for some reason you feel threatened. That’s the true paranoia.

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#28 posted 04-19-2012 05:25 PM

The cake is a lie.

-- I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.

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#29 posted 04-19-2012 05:39 PM

I was a non paying member ar SMC. The place seemed to have thier own little circle.

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#30 posted 04-19-2012 05:57 PM

WOW. Has this thread been scrubbed. Lance referred to SMC in the original post (rant) as “F’n Dumb-B’s” among other things and proved Godwin's Law repeatedly. I don’t mind that the moderators have sanitized the original post and erased most of my maybe off-color but, IMO, appropriate response. Still, I think that when moderators edit/sensor a post or response they should label it as ’edited’ so folks know that is not the original post/wording. -Jack

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#31 posted 04-19-2012 06:01 PM

^yeah, I don’t care for the editing without the “edit”. I’m careful to add “edit” to my own posts when I edit them, unless I just forget to capitalize someone’s name (which I often do for some reason) etc. It just seems to be the more transparent thing to do, if you believe in that sort of thing.
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I think there’s plenty of room on the interwebz for both. That vintage tools forum has some pretty strict rules there, too, but it’s their site; so that’s that. I guess I just don’t have any beef with any of them.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#32 posted 04-19-2012 06:05 PM

lj61673- Calling us ignorant was very nice of you. But if you actually READ what people had to say you would notice that those who are complaining about SMC are FORMER MEMBERS who got so tired of the games that they left. So to say we are forming opinions about a site we never gave the time of day is unfair.

By all means defend SMC by sharing with us your GOOD experiences over there. But playing the “if you don’t like it you’re just ignorant” card is EXACTLY why so many people have left SMC in the first place. :)

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#33 posted 04-19-2012 06:10 PM

^Paul Hamler is at SMC; that’s DEFINITELY a positive:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#34 posted 04-19-2012 06:11 PM

I think it’s fine to state what you don’t like about SMC (or other sites) and what you do like about LJ’s.

That’s what we do here every day with tool reviews. We also have had lots of reviews about customer service at tool companies, including their websites. Nobody ever has a problem with those “reviews”. So why not talk about the “service” at a woodworking website? Why is it “ignorant” or “hateful” or “tribal mentality”?

...Well, here I go again… I try so hard not to get involved in the disputes around here but I couldn’t help myself this time. I’m outta here before I get in any deeper!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#35 posted 04-19-2012 06:13 PM

So am I, down in the neanderthal haven area. No problems as of yet, but there is a ‘special’ group that runs around, and making sure things are according to what they want. I just keep to my little area of their kingdom.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#36 posted 04-19-2012 06:15 PM

lj61673:

Forming an opinion about a site that you are not a member of or have never given the time of day to is pure ignorance.

I do think that Lance IS (was) a member of Sawmill Creek… isn’t he?!

I too am also familiar with some of the things they do…

They are not familiar with that Movie… Miracle on 34th Street…
Where a large Dept. store hired a Santa Clause and he would direct customers to other stores if they didn’t have it or another store had one of Better Quality, etc…
... at first, the Management did not like it…
... BUT as the word got around the City expressing how the customers liked it, and the store started seeing a tremendous increase in customers shopping in their store, changed their minds, liked it very much, changed their attitude, and was very grateful to their Santa Clause for doing such a fine job.

It appears that Sawmill Creek has the same OLD way of thinking… wanting to keep all of their customers Locked into their own little world… like they used to do in East Germany, etc. before they saw the benefits of FREEDOM!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#37 posted 04-19-2012 06:21 PM

I have looked at the smc site a few times. It was ok, not as easily navigated or user friendliy in my opinion. I like the lj site, for the most part nice people and helpful. Quite happy here, no real need to look elsewhere. Sometimes I wish ljs was a little quicker to halt all the bickering/insults from the “repeat offenders” but that is a small, small concern.

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#38 posted 04-19-2012 06:30 PM

I don’t mind the bickering so much I actually think it’s pretty funny to read the silly stuff on here, I don’t get involved with it no need they all (and they know who “they” are) do a pretty good job of it themselves.

-- Steve - Wasilla, Alaska

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#39 posted 04-19-2012 06:34 PM

^Very true, Steve. I scroll rapidly down the “you’re stupid”...”no, you’re stupid”... until I see a break in the action. It’s amazing how quickly you can read an insult thread and determine whether or not you’d like to read it more closely:)
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Sometimes I’m in the mood for the bickering; sometimes not so much. I figure that’s got more to do with my mood than the price of tea in China.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#40 posted 04-19-2012 06:40 PM

The reason I came to Lumberjocks is because of the people. I have surfed across numerous sites (some I have joined, others I have not). What I really enjoy is the free exchange of ideas and the helpfulness of the members. Other sites seem to have the attitude of “only this type of tool company can be used” or “this is the only way to make your thingamajig”. Here, you will get many different responses and almost as many different ways to make your “thingamajig”. Sure, there is some disagreement on here, but what do you expect with a world wide membership and the free flow of ideas.

Done now with my 2 cents.

-- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you!

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#41 posted 04-19-2012 06:43 PM

I like this site because I have no freaking clue what I’m doing…so I get up the nerve and ask a question, and immediately all kinds of experienced, skilled people start answering – and never tell me how dumb I am or ridicule me for shoddy work. I like it here. That said, I’ve never really joined anywhere else, so I have a one-sided view…

-- Jason K

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#42 posted 04-19-2012 06:51 PM

Stumpy, The original post was nasty and has been heavily edited. Some responses made before the editing/moderating seem/are out of context. Clearly there is a limit to “freedom of expression” here on LJ’s too, and that probably isn’t a bad thing. -Jack

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#43 posted 04-19-2012 06:55 PM

^I’m a brute and a filthy scoundrel. I curse like a drunken sailor in real life. However, I try to tone it down on these threads b/c I know that depending upon which computer I’m on, the thread will be blocked if there’s profanity in it. I can’t even go to my OWN thread about chisels. I carry guns, chew tobacco, and’m probably the most insensitive person on this site; but I wish we could keep the profanity down. Add selfish to that, I guess:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#44 posted 04-19-2012 06:58 PM

IrreverentJack, I had my reply scrubbed also. The first part is sill up at reply #12 with only the OP’s reference to the German National Socialists of the 30’s and 40’s lopped off the end. It may be that my sarcasm was a little obtuse or maybe they just don’t like the N word. The second part, which was completely deleted, was a minor concern troll that it might not be in LJ’s best interest to have an old Anglo-Saxon expletive showing up in the title of a post on their front page. I mean, jeez, they have members upset over underwear ads.

As a whole the moderators show admirable restraint over what goes on inside the treads here. The front page is their storefront and when they come to work in the morning and find graffiti splattered across the front window, it’s good business to clean it up asap. I think the moderators did a good job.

-- Visualize whirled peas

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#45 posted 04-19-2012 07:06 PM

This site has amatuers, hobbyists, professionals, and probably some who just “lurk”. There are people from all over the globe and possibly some not from this planet (who really knows).

The wealth and breadth of knowledge and experience is unbelievable.

And, it’s free!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#46 posted 04-19-2012 07:09 PM

Lumberjocks is a great site. I found this when I googled a woodworking question.
I have often found answers to my questions here from very informed and experienced fellow woodworkers.
I try to take the time to help others as well.
This is how we collectively learn, grow and benefit from this community.

As for other sites, I can’t say.

I must’ve found this thread after the edits of negative/offensive comments already occured.
This topic looked to me, at first blush, to be praise for LJs and less criticism of SMC, which it appears is what the moderators would like to stear towards.

This seems to be a commendable objective to me as no one really benefits from being negative.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#47 posted 04-19-2012 07:13 PM

Bertha, I have a favorite word that I use for a modifier, adverb, adjective, gerund, exclamation, etc. But if you ask my kids, they’ll tell you they learned to swear riding in the car with their mother.

-- Visualize whirled peas

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#48 posted 04-19-2012 07:26 PM

I edit my own posts all the time – I get to thinking something and I’ll be darned if I don’t forget a few words in there makin what I wrote really hard to figure out.

Al – Its all good – at least you are honest about who and what you are – many are not. Me – I am a royal PITA (an thats not the organization), my better half will attest to that.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#49 posted 04-19-2012 07:32 PM

^that’s pretty slick how you pulled that one off, Muleskinner:)
David, I’d put my PITA up against yours anyday;) How any of them live with us is incredible.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#50 posted 04-19-2012 08:36 PM

*lj61673- Calling us ignorant was very nice of you. But if you actually READ what people had to say you would notice that those who are complaining about SMC are FORMER MEMBERS who got so tired of the games that they left. So to say we are forming opinions about a site we never gave the time of day is unfair.

Reading is fundamental Stumpynubs….
I was addressing people who were NOT members (there are many here who have admitted as much). In other words, for the comprehension impaired, if you WERE a member I wasn’t addressing you. Any opinions formed without experience or education on any subject are ignorant by definition. (there goes that whole reading comprehension thingy again…)

That said I think there is a more rigid structured feel at SMC, more so than here, and I spend a lot of time at both places though I do not post here often. Much more laid back and friendly here, like talking to your buddies over a beer. I do however get a sense of a higher level of expertise at SMC. Maybe that’s why some perceive it as smug or cliquey.

I will say though that at SMC when a moderator edits a post it is there for all to see along with the reason it was edited. Not so here….

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