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Mitre Box of your Dreams

by Smitty_Cabinetshop
posted 04-06-2012 03:34 AM


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#1 posted 04-06-2012 03:40 AM

You have a Stanley SW miter box. A very cool one I might add. Who would a thunk.

Seriously, I don’t have a miter box but I have been told the red Millers Falls is the one to get – like the ome that Don and Dan have. I’d like to know why though.

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#2 posted 04-06-2012 03:49 AM

Smittey, while I certainly have respect for your post, After trimming many houses my miller fallls rig was finally stolen. That was thirty five years ago. I shortly therafter bought the latest rockwell mitre saw that hit the scene. Then about thirty years ago I bought a used 10 mikita chopsaw (still have it). All of my mitre boxes will have cords on them. enjoy JB

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#3 posted 04-06-2012 03:50 AM

How about a big honkin’ (ugly?) Craftsman? Needs some love:

Saw handle design at it’s nearly worst:

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#4 posted 04-06-2012 03:54 AM

JB- I have a cast iron 10” Craftsman chorded miter that does the framing cuts. Wouldn’t do without it! But I also love working with hand power when the situation permits. Thanks for checking in!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#5 posted 04-06-2012 03:59 AM

Anyone out there have a resource that explains the “Frame” numbers in the Stanley world of mitres? Has to do with the height of the paired rods, front and back, and as a result the depth of cut possible, but that’s all I’ve discovered to this point…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#6 posted 04-06-2012 04:31 AM

Kat, thanks and it’s a blast to use. Not for everything, but it’s truly an asset to the shop. Soetimes I see mitres for cheap, other times I’m amazed and their ‘value’ in the antique stores and flea mkts.

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#7 posted 04-06-2012 04:46 AM

Here’s a slighter newer version of Smitty’s rig—my 1955 Stanley 346

The middle number in the Stanley numbering scheme for these boxes refers to the height of the backsaw (in inches).
The Langdon Acme Millers Falls is also a very nice box. I just sold a very nice example from the ‘30s. They don’t go cheap.

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#8 posted 04-06-2012 05:10 AM

Doc, you’ve got the full compliment of rods underneath! Excellent, as I hope to find those parts someday… Thanks for the numbering insight as well, i sold an All-Steel that I hope will appear here in a pic someday. It was nice, just had too many…

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#9 posted 04-06-2012 11:53 AM

Here is mine. The restore blog

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#10 posted 04-06-2012 12:30 PM

An awesome restore, Don. Anyone using one of these?

Wonder if the blade stays true or wants to skew of line in thicker stuff?

For storage, is open shelves the way? Draws? Or ? Don, where’s yours live between uses?

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#11 posted 04-06-2012 12:32 PM

now ya done it … im gonna have to blow the dust of my old stanley miter box and post some pics tonight. Its been up on a shelf for about a year now …. thanks Smitty, now i gotta do some restoration to keep up with the Jones’.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#12 posted 04-06-2012 12:34 PM

Unfortunately I’m still looking for a home spot. Right now it lives under my table saw, but thats not where its going to stay. If you look in the lower right hand corner of this photo you can see it.

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#13 posted 04-06-2012 12:38 PM

They’re hard to capture in a single frame with detail… Bring it on, love to see and hear the story how you got it!

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#14 posted 04-06-2012 01:53 PM

Smitty – not long after I read your post, I stumbled across this – maybe a start on completing your mitre box—just thought I’d throw it out there
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stanley-Parts-Grab-Bag-61Gauge-40-Level-358-Miter-Box-Stop-Gage-Plane-Screw-/290692633083?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43aea191fb#ht_620wt_1396

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#15 posted 04-06-2012 10:41 PM

I use a yellow plastic one, but Smitty I am looking for a good one. Thanks for opening this blog. It will give me a good reference point.

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#16 posted 04-06-2012 11:20 PM

I have one very much like the setup Smitty posted. I bought it about fifteen years ago from my family’s hardware store, like most of my first tools. Of course, I never use it any more. Maybe I should get it back out and take it for a spin…

Dave- I really like this style, but if I was to buy another one, I’d look for a vintage one. It’s like hand planes and chisels, using old ones just make you feel like a real woodworker!

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#17 posted 04-06-2012 11:32 PM

Stumpy that is a nice one. I like the saw!

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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#18 posted 04-07-2012 02:24 AM

I use this when it’s only a couple of miters, and it leaves a clean cut. It’s a Jorgensen and I like it.

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#19 posted 04-07-2012 02:42 AM

Those do look like the nicest of the new ones.

Love Jorgensen stuff…

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#20 posted 04-08-2012 03:15 AM

I’m going broke trying to keep up with you guys.

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know that.

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#21 posted 04-09-2012 01:49 AM

Thanks, Doc. The part is mine, now to find thumbscrews and rods… Assembly continues!

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#22 posted 04-10-2012 12:21 PM

I started with the plywood variety, then at some point a plastic Stanley showed up..briefly..then this guy..

He’s got a 2×2 screwed to the base, initialy that was to use in the Workmate, but now it just drops in my bench vice as required..I put it in service rescently for the crown mouldings on a case my son’s “making” he was out of town at the time and wondered how I’d cut the miters as he has an ex boss that dropped 6 g on kitchen cabnets you can see daylight through the miters..go figure..
And then came..

not sure of the vintage, but it’s a Craftsman with a 28” bladed German made Craftsman saw.

The saw has a plywood handle, slightly relieved to fit my tender hand.
The base alows me to put it where ever needed.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#23 posted 04-10-2012 01:50 PM

Glen, that’s a nice looking rig. I always try yo look at plywood saw handles as laminated gun stocks. They are an upgrade. I love the greenish Remington laminated stocks.

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#24 posted 04-10-2012 01:56 PM

But never mind the Remington multi colored plastic of the ‘60s ?

;-)

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#25 posted 04-10-2012 02:11 PM

yea, some of those should be on Daisey BB guns

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#26 posted 04-10-2012 02:18 PM

That Craftsman is done up nice! Is that original paint, or did you do some rehab to it? And it’s amazing you get good results from that Handyman. I think a video tutorial is in order…

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#27 posted 04-10-2012 02:25 PM

Orriginal paint, just gleaned the years of gunk off.
Ah, video ? You’ve seen how most of my stills turn out Smitty…
Just make sure the clamping thingie is in the right spot and DO NOT use the offshore brass backed saw..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#28 posted 04-10-2012 03:42 PM

Now I’m thinking of reshaping the Craftsman saw handle pictured above. Anything would be an improvement, right? And there’s a backsaw in the shop that must have come from a small mitre setup, it had a plastic handle. Not greenish, like what was on my Daisy, but rather black. It’s actually comfortable to use.

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#29 posted 04-10-2012 03:53 PM

MY SAW HANDLE ?
I’ve already done some, but if I were to do anything else it’d be “real” wood..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#30 posted 04-10-2012 03:58 PM

Sorry, the craftsman handle I have… Yours is definitely an improvement, mine is ‘as shipped.’ I’ve got a ziploc ready to go, so if I reshape and sand off the finish I can even get some color into it. Mine’s not ply, but solid (I think, anyway).

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#31 posted 04-10-2012 04:12 PM

The other saw, over on dreams there of, has a solid handle, same medalion as the miter box one..
I did very little to it, but the big guy here required quite a bit of “breaking the edge” before it was anywhere near comfortable.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#32 posted 04-12-2012 01:49 AM

Went to Arnold, Mo. after work for a like-new Workmate, ended up with that and another mitrebox. Saw is a Disston (26×5), etch reads “Made Expressly For GOODELL-PRATT COMPANY Toolsmiths GREENFIELD-MASS”

No marks on the box, but pistons are very Langdon-like…

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#33 posted 04-12-2012 01:55 AM

Owner explained his mother had the saw wrapped carefully in newspaper from the day it came home from the hardware store from a sharpening, decades ago. Price of that sharpening and pick-up date in grease pencil, on the blade:

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#34 posted 04-12-2012 02:23 AM

Never seen this before, but front piston can be adjusted outward for wider boards. Loosen the big screw in the center of the pic and slide…

No maker’s marks on the mitrebox itself… :-(. Anybody got ideas?

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#35 posted 04-12-2012 02:28 AM

What you going to do with that Smitty? How many does that make?

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#36 posted 04-12-2012 02:31 AM

None of these look like my Festool miter saw, is this where I add the photo? :)

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#37 posted 04-12-2012 02:52 AM

Go for it, Randy!

Uhm… The answer is six, and I’ve sold one that’s not in that count. Two more will sell, I think…

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#38 posted 04-12-2012 02:56 AM

Goodell-Pratt from 1899-1931, when it was purchased by Millers Falls.

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#39 posted 04-12-2012 03:46 AM

Smitty.. Score!! that one is a keeper. Grip better than average, full adjustable pistons, what more can you ask.
Saw even has the big D markings. Miter box only lacks the ultra thin wood filler in the saw track that came shipped with them new.

-- Sawdust and shavings are therapeutic

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#40 posted 04-12-2012 03:49 AM

Oh, man, and does it cut! The sharpen is an awesome job… It also has a rod that locks it at any angle. Very nice box, features better than my Stanley.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#41 posted 04-12-2012 05:36 AM

Beautiful Smitty, I’m glad you got a great saw and miter box. Originals rock!

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#42 posted 04-12-2012 02:35 PM

How did this thread slip past me. These are cool, I want one.

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#43 posted 04-12-2012 02:41 PM

Talk to Smitty, he’s aparentlyh thinking about selling a couple…

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#44 posted 04-18-2012 03:33 AM

Thanks to DocBailey I’m a bit closer to a complete rod assy on my Stanley mitre…

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#45 posted 04-18-2012 03:47 AM

So you snagged that one, huh?—good job!

If you’re not already doing so, keep an eye out on your local Craigslist for compatible models. Mitre boxes, while plentiful, are not cheap to ship – but you can often snag a local one cheaply (especially when the saw is long gone) and get the rest of the pieces you need.

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#46 posted 04-18-2012 03:51 AM

It’s where the thumbscrews came from… ;-)

Now rod material (easy, but what lengths)?

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#47 posted 04-19-2012 05:47 AM

Smitty -
Next time I’m over at location where my 346 is at—I’ll get some photos of underside and measurements.

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#48 posted 04-19-2012 10:28 AM

Sweeey. Thanks, Doc!’

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#49 posted 04-19-2012 10:29 AM

(Sweeet…)

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#50 posted 04-19-2012 11:19 AM

I recently (last year) bought an older (1965 or so) Craftsman Mitre Box that was made by Millers Fall. It came with the original saw that was in serious need of a sharpening. Later I bought a mitrebox saw an it turned out to be an original Langdon mitre saw made by Disston.

This replaced a Ryobi chop saw that wouldn’t stay true, which replaced a wonderful Stanley that my sister told me she needed and sent her.

I enjoy using the manual mitre saws.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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