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The Great Sharpiner Showdown Discussion thread

by thedude50
posted 874 days ago


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#1 posted 874 days ago

Wow a hundred of you opened this thread and not one of you has said anything about the review I think I am hurt :(

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#2 posted 874 days ago

Hey Lance, its a quick read and a good review. You might want to include the data and trials in an easy to read chart. Maybe people were looking for more info for comparison on the units or maybe its just Saturday night ;-)

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#3 posted 874 days ago

I thought of doing a chart but felt it would make people not read the review you know so it would be a trade off either way

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#4 posted 874 days ago

Lance,

Just finished reading your review and must say, you have taken the confusion out of comparison.
It’s been quite difficult to try and sort out most of the other reviews available today as far as quality vs. value.
Most confusing was value, adding what jigs had to be purchased seperately raising the total cost and then weighing that to the actual quality and ease of use of the add-ons.
I’ve considered purchasing a Sharpening System, but I hand sharpen my chisels and irons by hand the way my grandfather always did, send the saw blades out and replace drill bits as needed.
My need does not justify aTormek but after your review of the Work Sharp 3000, I may now be in the market for a sharpener.

Thanks for the reviews.

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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#5 posted 873 days ago

Lance,
I read your review and appreciate you taking the time to provide all the details. I sold my Worksharp a couple weeks ago and have to agree that it is a really good sharpener. It was fast and reliable at sharpening chisels and I never did sharpen any lathe tools other than skews. I have a Makita wet sharpener that I made disks for and a tool bar similar to the Tormek and decided I can get the same results with it so I sold the Worksharp. I also have a Jet that is still new in the box and am not sure if I will use it or sell it. At this time the jury is out on it. Your review might just push me over the edge to sell it too.

john

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#6 posted 873 days ago

Len, thanks so much for the input.I am glad i helped clear the muck. I worked very hard on the review and felt it was a good review. it was the largest review we have ever done and it was a load of fun having all the machines together is a blast.

John Don’t be hasty on ousting the jet in the every day user it is not a bad machine. It just doesn’t measure up to the Tormek. Mostly because the motor is weak. I am looking into adding a bigger motor to my jet to see if that is a solution for the lack of power. However we did figure out that you can turn up the speed and increase the torque a bit and it wont stall as bad. However under pressure it still bogs down but it is not a reason to oust the unit if you already have it. You could continue to gather up Tormek jigs and books and make due till you can afford to get the real deal and it will work. It came in third in our review because it bogged down and i had to have something to judge them on as they were all well built. I still have the jet and i do use it from time to time to continue my testing over the long term. I will be writing individual reviews of these machines to aid in the archive search to help our website out, but all in all i would not jump to sell it off,for it will do a fine job on turning tools and a great job if you opt for the tormek turning jigs which i liked more than the jet jigs.

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#7 posted 873 days ago

Were the MSRPs anywhere? I didnt see that info. I could imagine some of these get spendy with all the attatchments. Was the dmt tested on the worksharp? If so does it yield a better/quicker edge, or is it just a longer lasting option than the paper abrasives?

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#8 posted 873 days ago

Fair and straight forward. You give a clearer more honest review than Fine Woodworking. As I recall, in the FWW review they forgot to mention that the Jet consistently slowed down under pressure. This is the same magazine that rated Jet parallel clamps as superior to Bessey. They also have tons of Jet’s/Powermatic advertisements in their Magazine. Hmm! I think I see a pattern here. I’ve had the Tormek for six years and can’t imagine being without it. Thanks for the truth.

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#9 posted 873 days ago

K.I.S.S.

Temp. Control is my fingertips on the iron, too hot for the fingers, too hot for the steel. Once I’m done here, I leave the iron in the jig, and go bother an oil stone or two. Cheap, and easy, my kind of set-up….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#10 posted 873 days ago

LOL, love it bandit! Won’t your roller guide wear out too?

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#11 posted 873 days ago

Shane great idea I ran that Idea by the editor in chief and he has decided we will list msrp and actual selling prices on retail sites for our reviews this will take a few days to do

Also I am currently writing the Dmt review and A little ahead of my review yes they were faster and much cooler and the edge cuts better well wort the price and they seem to last forever but they supposedly wear out

Mcase thank you very much sir we try our best to tell it like it is

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#12 posted 873 days ago

I appreciate your efforts in reviewing and collating this info. I must say, though, that I will never buy a Tormek simply because I have better uses for all that money. Not that it is not a good machine but that it is very much over priced.

-- Bill, "GreyLion" ,Montana, Eph 2:8

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#13 posted 873 days ago

bandit that may work ok but ill take the edges from all the machines I tested over a belt sander that only has one grit also on your machine I am curious how you sharpen turning tools and other things like carving tools and kitchen knives planner blades jointer knives and scissors

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#14 posted 873 days ago

thanks for the review Lance.

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#15 posted 872 days ago

Great review. But I have to say it is difficult to compare the Worksharp to the Jet or Tormek because they are totally different systems, with massively different prices!

I like the Worksharp because it is affordable. If I had a thousand extra bucks, I’d get a Tormek. But since I have a Worksharp, I did a lot of upgrades that I think make it even better. I did two different episodes of Blue Collar Woodworking on it. The latest one shows how to use your own Tormek bar setup (which cost $20 instead of the $50 Worksharp wants for theirs)

The second video shows how to use MDF discs and buffing compound instead of the expensive sandpaper they sell.

Anyway, thanks for the great review! I’ll bookmark it for future reference!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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#16 posted 872 days ago

Lance,

Good info and obviously lots of work. But I’m not sure it conveys the information that a shopper really needs.

When I took my one journalism class, I learned that the lead paragraph had to convey the whole story. You lead us into the work you did, but don’t give us the “bottom line”. You said in a comment above that you left out a chart because you want people to read the whole review. And, yes, by reading the whole story one DOES gain an appreciation for all the work you did.

I understand your position, but don’t agree. For me, its about the reader (that’s me), not the writer (that’s you).

What I wanted but didn’t get are (1) total price for each tested system; (2) overall grade for each tested system; (3) “bang for the buck” ranking for each tested system. Perhaps it was not your intent as the writer to provide such information, but it was definitely my intent as a reader to find it.

I appreciate your efforts, and value what you’ve provided, but it didn’t satisfy my needs.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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#17 posted 872 days ago

Just wonderin’ why ya left out the Makita?
BNill

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#18 posted 872 days ago

IF one looks at that small front wheel on the sander, one can sharpen about any gouge they want. I’ve also used this set-up to sand/shape handles/totes for handplanes. As for grit on these belts. That belt in the picture is very well used up. Used to be a 100 grit ( I think) about a year or so ago. I tend to save all the worn out, non-torn up belts for this set-up. After the belt grind the edge close to sharp, it’s off to a stone, then a sandpaper on the tablesaw’s top sharpener. Just what MY budget will allow me to get by with, that’s all…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#19 posted 871 days ago

jd I took 3 years of journalism and I still struggle to get things across in a chat room. As you can see several people loved it and if the reason you didn’t was because i didn’t give a reveal in the first sentence I am sorry. I will never do that and if you can show me one published review that did I would be shocked. Also this is technical writing far from a news story that you would want a headline revile in the first paragraph. I have been doing reviews for 16 years and my style is set I will not be changing how I write because you simply cant please everyone. I ranked the machines according to bang for your buck and while the most expensive and defiantly not overpriced the Tormek came out on top. it sells for 659.00 on many websites and the jigs they loaned me would come close to a grand and still it was the best value as it does so much more and does it better than anyone else. I give it an A+ next was the work sharp this was the biggest surprise of the bunch already a fan of the scary sharp system i was very impressed with the little machine that can and I wont change that add the dmt disks and this thing is a jewel It becomes a even better machine once you add the dmt disks and yet i did not judge it with the dmt disks/. It gets a solid A then came the jet It had really nice add ons and while they fell short in the jig area on turnong tools because thir jigs are not to the same level of the tormek jigs one would think they could dimply buy the jet and use the tormek system for the turning tools. and he could but the big problem for the jet was its serious lack of power I was so shocked by this that i purchased a second machine thinking i had a lemon but they were exactly the same. I still think the jet is a viable option for the occasional user but i gave it a B grade for a lack of power and bad turning jigs by the way it had solid knife jigs and it is fairly new and it remains to be seen if jet will ramp up the machine with a bigger motor or wither they want to live with it the way it is I know the new woodworker rated i9t higher than the tormek but only he can say if he can tolerate the lack of power I purchased each of the jets for 299 on eBay i still see many at 349 so a whole c note more than the work-sharp. last was the grizzly the cheapest machine at 149.00 and it preformed as good as the jet except the jigs were junk and i did not buy them all their planer jig looks nice but i had a budget at a 189 price for a jig was out of the budget since i had to buy two of the jets. the grizzly also bogged down but didn’t have the rpm and torque adjustment the jet had to compensate for the lack of power so it got a B- and finished fourth in the bunch but loaded with tormek jigs it is a option for the guy with a lesser budget and i would keep it if i didn’t have a better choice.

For anyone that thinks the tormek is over priced i read what you said grey lion and your wrong. this is the best and if you want the best the quality costs a lot to produce and ship from Europe to the US. since there is no high quality option made in Asia or the USA the price is fair and in fact it is under-priced. it costs about the same as a set of shaptoin water stones and the grader. while it may be out of your budget it is not overpriced.

Bill we left out the veritas and the makita because they are not the top selling machines and we had a strict budget because we don’t have bottomless pockets like the big magazines. so we chose to cover the top sellers and Makita and Veritas would not loan us a machine or even sell us one at cost. I am sorry we were unable to get them all but I felt we covered 80 percent of the market share.

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#20 posted 870 days ago

I thought you did a very good job stating all the information you could. Good tools coat money and it pays off in the long term. Thanks for posting this. bob

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#21 posted 870 days ago

thanks bob I am glad you were able to get the information I have to agree on the good tools cost money I just spent 200 dollars for a hundred year old dovetail saw it was a great one but it was a bit pricy and a wonderful saw it that I would do it again in a heart beat

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#22 posted 869 days ago

Lance,
I see there is a Tormek T3 and was wondering if you could tell me the difference between the T3 and T7? What can the T7 do that the T3 cannot do? It looks like there is a $300 difference in price.

Thanks,
john

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#23 posted 869 days ago

John I have not tested the tormek t3 I am sure it is a good machine but it has a lot smaller wheel and a smaller motor some of the amazing jigs wont fit on it and it is I believe not for commercial use that said it serves lots of people well I just have not had the chance to use it I hope to in the future ON another thread I have it is called the original tormek t7 thread one of the guys posted in there that he purchased the t3 and sold it and got the t7 he may be the right guy to answer the rest of your questions I do hope this helps

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#24 posted 869 days ago

Lance,
Thanks for the update, sounds like there might be quite a difference.
john

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#25 posted 869 days ago

your welcome I wish more people would read this story I worked my ass off on it and it is not getting enough traffic

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#26 posted 865 days ago

I am now working on getting all my drill bits sharpened with 4 facets instead of two. this works so well on the tormekT7. that it makes me mad i spent all that cash on brad point bits a few months ago. the 4 facet bits walk less and run a lot cooler than the brad points, and i still don’t know how top sharpen the brad point bits.

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#27 posted 856 days ago

hey I hope this thread can last for a while i hate to let it end so quick

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