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Grizzly G1014ZX Combination Belt/ Disc Sander ? Your Opinion Please.

by helluvawreck
posted 03-20-2012 02:16 PM


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#1 posted 03-20-2012 02:26 PM

looks like a good tool charles
solid and big enough for the work
it will be asked to do

there are many out there
but most are to tinny
and tracking can be a problem with them

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#2 posted 03-20-2012 02:43 PM

I have that one,It is a great sander.I dont think you would go wrong. It iis a well built sander. It is very heavy It wont move from where you set it .Tracking on the belt can be a little tricky but. I like mine.
Chuck

Wisconsin wood Chuck

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#3 posted 03-20-2012 03:01 PM

WOW!

That’s a real chunk of Sander!

It’s probably a very good sander… for the right person…
... for me, I prefer the cheaper benchtop type sanders…
... easier to mount & move around and a whole lot cheaper…
... my Rigid belt/spindle sander handles my lite load very well.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#4 posted 03-20-2012 03:09 PM

Looks like a nice unit, Charles. Too bad you can’t get it without the stand. It would probably be a couple of hundred dollars less expensive.

From what I’ve read, Grizzly stuff is good and will last. Too bad you are not closer to here. Some really good deals.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#5 posted 03-20-2012 03:23 PM

Great sander Charles. The specs are good and it is very convertible. Go for it..

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#6 posted 03-20-2012 03:52 PM

Looks good… I really think you get your money’s worth from Grizzly.

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#7 posted 03-20-2012 04:25 PM

It does look like a good sander, but I think it’s a little too big for the job. I agree with Joe L., a smaller
bench-top model would do a nice job and take a lot less space in the shop. I have a bench top model
and I use it to sand small pieces all the time and I love the fact that I can just tuck it away when I’m not using it.

-- Maine Rustic

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#8 posted 03-20-2012 04:44 PM

That looks like a good solid machine Charles. Is it a 12” sanding disk? I can’t see that you can go wrong with it.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#9 posted 03-20-2012 04:53 PM

I think this a nice size sanding center I have a much smaller version and wish I had at least this size or bigger.I like Grizzly tools and I think this looks like a nice machine.

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#10 posted 03-20-2012 05:15 PM

I like it, looks rugged.

Myself, I would opt for the G1014Z (same sander minus stand) and put the money I saved towards a G0723 oscillating spindle sander.

I have an old JET 1”x42” belt w/8” disc sander and a Ridgid model #EB4424 sander with interchangeable 4”x24” belt and sanding drums.

I love the Ridgid unit, and it gets used constantly. I never thought I wanted or would need a spindle sander, but now that I have it, I never want to be without it!

I use my JET for metal shaping more than I do for wood, but the disc is great when I need it.

-- Kenny

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helluvawreck

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#11 posted 03-20-2012 05:40 PM

I appreciate all of the responses. I believe that most of the tabletops are 4×36 belts and 5 or 6 inch discs. The Grizzly is 6×48 inch belts and a 9 inch disc. It has the following specs:

Motor: 3/4 HP, 110V/220V, single-phase
Cast iron table, disc and body
Cabinet stand with storage locker
Dual position table
Dual voltage motor prewired for 110V
Dust ports – 2” for belt, 2-1/2” for disc
2300 SFPM belt speed
Belt driven
Approximate shipping weight: 156 lbs.

This would allow me to sand small and medium sized boxes and larger boxes I could get by with my orbital sander. Boxes are something that I would like to make because some of them I can carve and/or paint. I’m not interested in making money off of my boxes but they do make nice gifts. On some of the designs it makes sense to make several while you are set up to do the various steps. There are friends and family members who love to receive gifts like boxes. Hand sanding several boxes and doing a good job is drudgery and can take out some of the fun. Making one box at a time is different. Since I don’t have any sanding equipment other than my elbow grease and my orbital sander I think that it would be a wise investment to my little shop. For bigger jobs I can always go to the plant where we have several large edge sanders and even some 36 inch wide belt sanders. However, having to go to the plant for my hobby woodwork does not appeal to me at all.

Thanks for all of your comments. If I decide to buy this machine it will be a sizable investment for me so naturally opinions of other woodworkers are good to have and I appreciate it.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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helluvawreck

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#12 posted 03-20-2012 05:49 PM

Thank you too, Chippy.

Kenny, I follow your logic and I do intend to get a spindle sander on down the road. I may even decide to follow that rout. However, the pros of the cabinet model are that I could use that extra storage room because I have a small shop. Also, because of my small shop I will most likely put rollers on it and the cabinet base would be a little more stable if it were on rollers. Not that it is very important, but it also looks nicer.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#13 posted 03-20-2012 06:01 PM

Charles, I think that looks like a great sander. Personally, though, I find my 4×36 plenty large enough for my needs.

I don’t know if you have experience using a belt/disc sander, but keep in mind they are good for rough stock removal, but will never give you a surface that is ready for finishing. You’ll still need your ROS or a hand block for that.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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helluvawreck

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#14 posted 03-20-2012 06:29 PM

I’m sure that you are right about that, Charlie – especially on the finer grits. But if the sander eliminates half the sanding or only a third it’s done it’s job and paid for it’s self over time. Also, we would be talking about only the difference between the two machines and not the whole price if I have decided to get one or the other. Also, there are operations that can be done such as the shaping of small parts.

Actually, I haven’t used a belt/disc sander for many years. Back when we used to make furniture we had mostly edge sanders and wide belt sanders.

The only boxes that I have experience making are boxes for the shop and utility boxes, some of them dovetailed with a router and a template and some by hand. Box making such as you see in the most popular box making books and also here on Lumberjocks are really a new experience to me because I’m just getting started and have lots to learn. I appreciate your comments, Charlie, and have seen some of your work so I suspect that you’ll be one of the ones who will help me learn about box making and I do appreciate it. You have some beautiful boxes in your projects pages along with a lot of other wonderful things.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#15 posted 03-20-2012 06:56 PM

Did I miss what size belt and disc this has ?

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#16 posted 03-20-2012 07:00 PM

Jim, it is a 6×48 inch belt and a 9 inch disc. The specifications are listed in a post several posts above yours. Am I barking up the wrong tree in your opinion? I know your experience so I certainly value your opinion.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#17 posted 03-20-2012 07:56 PM

Charles- I understand the appeal of the cabinet, and I can appreciate wanting extra storage (don’t we all!). But I really think you could so much better with a self-made cabinet to sit this bad-boy on. A LOT better!

You could easily build a cabinet with not just a door and open space, but drawers, purpose built spots for belts and discs, a built in mobile base, and anything else you desire and designed and built to exactly fit you and your needs, as well as your height.

I’m not sure of your height, but I’m 5’9” and have a bad back, so 37.5” is a bit low for a table height for me on my sanders. I have mine closer to 44”, and it saves me from being hunched over and is a lot more comfortable. My arms are up higher, I have more control, I can see what’s going on much better, and it’s more comfortable for extended periods of sanding.

Another thing to think of is that the cabinet on that will be low, way low. And you’ll be kneeling down to see inside it and dig stuff out. For me, drawers are much easier when located down that low. They can be pulled out for easy viewing of contents, and I don’t have to dig through the stuff in the front to find what’s in the back.

I agree, it looks cool, it really does. But a nicely fashioned cabinet designed from the ground up to suit you and your needs will be much more functional in my eyes.

As well, if you don’t have central dust collection (I should check your site out and see if you mention this stuff!), you could build a larger base cabinet that could house a shop-vac, 5-gallon bucket separator, and room on top to mount the spindle sander too. Basically an “all-in-one sanding station”.

Just some ideas to consider. But, you are the one who knows your needs and if you decide otherwise, that’s fine with me. After all, you are the one who has to live with it!

Good luck, let us know what you do.

-- Kenny

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#18 posted 03-20-2012 08:15 PM

I hear you, Kenny, and agree with everything that you have said. If I do that I will have to put the cabinet for the sander in the “need to make a cabinet for” line. I bought a used mini milling machine that is sitting in the floor in my machine shop and when I bring it home I will have to build a cabinet for it. I need a cabinet for my portable air compressor – one where I can store all of my guns along with all the required staples and nails. I also need to build a cabinet for my scroll saw. I want to put everything that I need for it along with all of my dremel stuff in there. I also need a cabinet for my router table where I will put all of my router bits and tools and accessories for the router. I love drawers. In a shop they are so much more useful than open cabinets. In all of the cabinets that I have built so far I have 40 good sized drawers not counting my metal tool cabinets. They are mostly full and I could probably use another 20 drawers right away. See what I mean. I’ve been working on my shop for almost 2-1/2 months and I’m getting tired of working on my shop. Now I want to build some boxes. I don’t know when I’ll ever get done all of the stuff that I need to do to my shop. It just don’t ever end. I sure do appreciate your fine comments, however.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#19 posted 03-20-2012 09:38 PM

I make hundreds of small boxes of cedar and oak (8”x11”x2 1/2”) and a 6”x48” sander is the most used tool in my shop. I bought this harbor freight sander two years ago and it works great. Plenty of power and good tracking. It does not have a dust collection port so made one of wood and I never use a disk sander so I did not install that part. I paid $169 for it with a stand and it now sells for $200. Check it out…. good sander!

-- In God We Trust

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#20 posted 03-20-2012 10:53 PM

I went a slightly different route. I got a bench type belt and disc sander. This is the Grizzly model that’s closest to the Hitachi I bought at Lowes. G0547 It’s $129.95 I also bought the floor model flap and inflatable drum sander for finishing. The one Grizzly sells now is a benchtop model with the same specs but without the cabinet G8749. It’s $275. My next purchase when funds are available is going to be a Ridgid oscillating sander. I’m getting the Ridgid because it comes with both a spindle and a flat sanding surface. The comparable Grizzly model is G0723 and it’s $189.95. The total for the 3 Grizzly machines is $594.90 (I’ve got a coupon for 10% off which will lower the price to just over $500 plus shipping.)

That’s about the amount you were going to spend for one machine and the three sanding and finishing tools will do a lot more than the one bigger sander. I have one bench that’s built from laminated 2X4’s that I have several bench top tools bolted to the top. And a couple of others benchtop machines are mounted on plywood bases that clamp to the table when I need to use them.

-- Hal, Tennessee http://www.first285.com

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gfadvm

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#21 posted 03-21-2012 01:48 AM

Charles, I have an older model of that sander I bougfht off CL for a very cheap price. It is a beast and does all its asked. The best feature over the smaller units is the platen is so much longer (I think mine is about 17”) thus you can sand larger boxes without gouging. The down side to this unit is the single table and the small table size. I made 2 much larger tables for mine so I don’t have to move the table back and forth between the disc and the belt portions.Edit: Mine is the 1014z without the cabinet. This looks like a better deal for the $.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#22 posted 03-21-2012 02:08 AM

To handy not to have one,good luck.

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Joe Lyddon

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#23 posted 03-21-2012 05:17 AM

helluvawreck:

Sounds like you are ready to make a Batch of Tool Cabinets! LOL

Karson, Ken, & Steve (woodworking for Mere Mortals) have fairly recently posted how to make a SIMPLE utility cabinet for tools that you need… Figure how many you need, the dimensions needed, figure out how many 2×4’s & ply you need, as well as casters… and go for it… Make them all at the same time & get it over with…

Put in drawers where you want them…

You might even be able to make some with a Flip-Top to Share two tools in one cabinet!

I recently had a bunch of cabinets, tables, etc. that needed casters to make it easier to move them around… I added up all of the casters I needed, and when I saw HF having a SUPER SALE on some locking 3” casters, I bought 32 of them for a little more than $2.00 each! Worked out like a charm… It’s much easier to move stuff around now.

Just a thought…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#24 posted 03-21-2012 12:04 PM

Man oh man. All of you great guys just keep giving me more to think about. I think I’m getting dizzy just thinking about all of this info. I better stay away from the plant machinery for a while this morning and just have another cup of coffee and let all of this sink in. Thanks

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#25 posted 03-21-2012 05:43 PM

Charles…

There you go!

Relax… have some donuts with your coffee… turn on some music (maybe)... be able to look out a nice large window to see the plants, trees, mountains, etc.

Have a doodle pad handy… and scratch out ideas as they pop in… Have a calculator handy too…

Just relax… & let your mind wander into the right places…

Make a list of ALL tools that need (or would be better with) a cabinet… What can be shared in one cabinet? Two smaller tools that aren’t used all that much, might work with a Flip-Top in one cabinet!

You might even think about joining some cabinets together, clamped or otherwise, to solve a problem. (my brain is really starting to wander now!)

Enjoy your Study time…

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#26 posted 03-24-2012 05:55 PM

I just wanted you folks to know that I sure do appreciate all of the responses. I ended up getting the Harbor Freight model
Thanks for the tip on that, Jim.

I drove 20 miles down the road on Thursday and picked it up so no freight and no wait. :-)

I bought the extended warranty for $34.00 so hopefully this will do for 2 to 4 years. Who knows it may last for the rest of my life. I hope that means longer than than 2 to 4 years – God willing. :-|

I got it all put together and tried it out for an hour and it does everything that I hoped it would. I’ll have more to say about this sander maybe Monday. I doubt that it is as good a sander as the Grizzly (the one spoken above in the title of this topic). However, after the $200 for the machine and the extended warranty the whole kit and boodle was right at $250. Counting freight the Grizzly was going to cost $$555. That means I have $305 to invest in some other tools that I need to get my box making equipment in order and all of the equipment will help me on other things that I want to do as well. Ain’t life grand? :-)

God bless all of you fine Lumberjocks for responding to my post because I appreciate all of your posts. I’ve learned some other things from it and will put much of it into action over this weekend and the weekends coming up. Maybe I’ll blog about some of these things.

Thanks, and have a great weekend making sawdust or whatever else you want to make. Just be safe, be happy, and have fun.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Delta356

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#27 posted 03-24-2012 06:23 PM

Ok, you all know what I’m going to say… Go with a Delta… But if you have a budget the grizzly is not bad. You might also want to look at the shop fox. Same company just a different brand name. You could get a better price

http://www.woodstockint.com/1-HP-6-Belt-10-Disk-Combination-Sander/W1676/

Take care, Michael Frey
Portland, OR

FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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Joe Lyddon

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#28 posted 03-24-2012 07:52 PM

Very GOOD, Charles on your HF purchase!

Looks pretty good!

I hope you will be able to easily change sanding belts!

I got the small bench model on Sale for $45…
It works… I had to remove all of the crap around the belt so I could easily change belts!
(which allowed some dust collection… very poor topic!)
(I put the shop vac hose close by to collect as much as I can…)

So far, I am happy with it… I haven’t stalled it yet! It just keeps on a turning…

From a pure sanding standpoint, mechanically, it’s a lot better than the Delta POS I paid $90 for a few years ago.

Now, you’ve got more money than you thought you were going to have… ! LOL

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#29 posted 03-24-2012 09:37 PM

Joe and Michael, I’m in high cotton. Not a worry in the world. Actually, while you are both sleeping tonight I’m thinking about taking a trip to the moon. When I get back I’ll tell you what it was like. ;-)

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#30 posted 03-24-2012 10:01 PM

You might want to take a look and consider this unit. I bought one over a month ago and have very satisfied with it. It really is a Craftsman (discontinued model), but parts are still available from Sears.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Belt-Disk-Tabletop-Sander-/280574707805?pt=Sanders_Sandblasters&hash=item41538e485d

-- I cut it off 3 times and it's still too short!

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#31 posted 03-24-2012 10:43 PM

I appreciate it , Towtruck, but I’ve already made my play so I have to live with it for better or worse until death, or other circumstances, do us part. It’s sort of like a marriage when a man man buys a machine it’s for better or worse as the case may be. I’ll say one thing, when I chose my wife or she chose me whichever the case may be, I sure got a a sho nuff Georgia Peach and we’ve been married for 42 years; I sure picked a doozy because she’s the best thing that ever happened to me and has looked after me and kept me between the ditches ever since we hooked up together. If you stay between the ditches in this old world your doing pertty damn good the way I look at it.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#32 posted 03-24-2012 11:00 PM

Towtruck.
Looks like a pretty good deal UNTIL you look at the Shipping!
... in my case, it’s $67.22 More than the item!
... That, in my mind, is a deal breaker.

Looks like a good unit though…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Delta356

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#33 posted 03-24-2012 11:04 PM

I did not notice that you had already gotten a sander. OPPSSS I’m only 18 and already going nuts…LOL…
Forget what I said.
Enjoy your new sander…..

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR

FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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#34 posted 03-24-2012 11:52 PM

Charles: I set up this sander with the belt mounted vertically. I find it much safer and more handy in this position. Get one of those sanding belt dressers. It works like an eraser for all the wood build up you get on the belt. IT will extend the life of your belt more than ten times as long.

-- In God We Trust

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gfadvm

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#35 posted 03-25-2012 12:34 AM

+1 on the rubber belt cleaner! These things are wonderful and your sanding stuff will last at least 10 x longer and sand much better as well. I even use them on my hand sanding blocks.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#36 posted 03-25-2012 12:38 AM

Yes I use mine on my little 1/2” dremel sanding drums also.

-- In God We Trust

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#37 posted 07-14-2012 12:59 PM

Till last week, I was using a 4” Craftsman. It squealed so loud, my husband ordered the 6” Grrrrrizzly. Just started using it yesterday. Really has the power to cut and shape!! Have only used it on cherry BSB. I did sand a scrap of purpleheart, worked great, no burn.

-- Dee2, OH Aromatherapy....fresh cut wood!!

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