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The 3-quart "Gallon" of Milk -- the hidden inflation in this economy.

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posted 12-23-2011 01:31 AM


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#1 posted 12-23-2011 02:14 AM

Does this piss anybody else off? Who do we call about this! If they can screw around with a gallon of milk, WHAT’S NEXT?

Lawyers who charge by the 45 minutes.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#2 posted 12-23-2011 02:35 AM

Next thing you know a 2” X 4” will not really be…

Oh. never mind.

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#3 posted 12-23-2011 02:44 AM

Did you guys know that a US gallon is only 3 Canadian quarts?

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#4 posted 12-23-2011 02:51 AM

You are dead right, it’s inflation by stealth, and it’s over here as well, 1 litre of orange juice went into a new bottle and became 900ml, of course, they don’t flash “NEW 900ml BOTTLE”, you’d have to study the back of the label to know that they are shafting you. The best thing anyone can do is boycott these rip off merchants, maybe even write to their consumer complaint department and just state that you believe they are being dishonest and trying to trick consumers and that you, and everyone you know, will stop buying their product.

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#5 posted 12-23-2011 03:01 AM

cr1 you know we have some fine LJs from Norway here.

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#6 posted 12-23-2011 05:36 PM

I understand prices going up. I understand shrinking profits, etc.

What gets me chapped is the aparent deception.

I HATE BEING LIED TO!

It’s like when TARP printed $700 billion and gave it to the banks. Overnight, the dollars in my pocket became worth 70 cents and nobody seemed to notice. They leveled a 30% tax by STEALTH and DECEPTION!

How can we blame private industry for following government’s example?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#7 posted 12-23-2011 06:39 PM

I see cr1 removed his dirty remark re: Norway.

I wonder why someone like cr1 is just on here to be nasty and making an ass of himself?

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#8 posted 12-24-2011 12:13 AM

Playing devil’s advocate for a moment; if the package tells you the quantity of the product inside, and the price is displayed nearby, where is the dishonesty? Everything you need to know is right there before you even put the item in your cart. AFIK, shattering assumptions isn’t illegal.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#9 posted 12-24-2011 12:37 AM

Welcome to business practices in the US. Bait and switch, creating confusion and the ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth at once is the way it’s done. :-)))))

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#10 posted 12-24-2011 12:53 AM

DS251 et al: The only way to show your satisfactions over a company product or price increase (plus hidden ones) then the simple answer is to boycott the products or services, they listen to their pocket books “saying sales decreases”, it does not take long for them to “get it”.

People had enough guts to take on Netflix. Put them in a world of hurt, they lost their customer base, their stock crashed, so now they sent all former members a letter apology for their arrogance, reduced prices and gave away special promotions. That’s the way to do it….........don’t just moan about paying more for less.

You and enough other people can do something about it.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#11 posted 12-24-2011 01:03 AM

Certainly consumers are responsible for their own buying decisions, but those marketing people are pretty clever.

Here is an interesting article from the NY Times on the subject.

I remember when yogurt went from 8 to 6 oz. The container stayed the same size. This was touted as a new feature: now there is room to mix in your own ingredients without having to use another container!

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#12 posted 12-24-2011 01:04 AM

I quit drinking Guinness when their PINT started coming out as 14.2oz !!! NO friggin’ way!

The next stealth theft is when the LARGER bags of chips, crackers, you name it, are MORE expensive per OZ than the smaller packages! We now us a calculator on EVERY purchase at the grocery store, every time…

Time to dust off my old beer-making tubs…

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#13 posted 12-24-2011 01:20 AM

Again, MASS BOYCOTT will make them honest….....the only way they understand.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#14 posted 12-24-2011 01:52 AM

H-Mike,

You are probably about the right age to Spot The Tune:
To a dead beat from an old greaser.
Think you must have me all wrong.
I didn’t care, friend. I wasn’t there, friend,
If it’s the price of pint that you need, ask me again.

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#15 posted 12-24-2011 03:20 AM

But ah likes Akwer-lung betta… ;-)

Actually I had already been overseas and had gotten out of the Navy by then 8-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#16 posted 12-24-2011 06:18 AM

I know how you feel. Why just the other day I hired a girl who promised a full hour. you can guess how that turned out.

Yeah, but she said “satisfaction guaranteed” and that only took three minutes.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#17 posted 12-24-2011 06:58 AM

Late this afternoon, I was accosted by two twenty-something gals in tight t-shirts who’ve been preying on older men in the HD parking lot. That was the third time this month for me and I’m going back next week to continue my investigation.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#18 posted 12-24-2011 02:51 PM

Sawkerf,
Be careful of those Harley Davidson (HD) dealership parking lots, they are full of them. And hey… you can only fit one of them on the back of yer’ bike at a time anyways… Just sayin’

And do NOT believe for a second that any “two-for-one” is going to be any cheaper! Stealth inflation indeed!

;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#19 posted 12-24-2011 07:07 PM

Maybe I should follow the example of the big corporations. My profit margins would go up if I only put one drawer runner on instead of two.
If one producer had the balls to stand up and declare they weren’t going down this route, show some honesty and respect for their customers, they’d probably earn a new found respect and loyalty from consumers.
Don’t suppose it will happen though, not while the members of the board are more important than Joe Public.

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#20 posted 12-24-2011 07:15 PM

WW has been doing for a long time. When was the last time you bought 3/4in plywood that was NOT actually 23/32in? NOW we even have to buy “undersized bits” for this crap!
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2008040/29404/Whiteside-3Piece-Undersized-Plywood-Dado-Router-Bit-Set-With-12-Shank.aspx

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#21 posted 12-24-2011 10:21 PM

To get back on track a bit…Hellman’s mayo used to be 32 oz…now it’s 30 oz, and more costly. Same size jar (albeit plastic, not glass). How did they do it? Look on the bottom of the jar…instead of being flat, it’s pushed up into a conical shape.

Sort of same with ice cream…used to be two full half-gallons for a couple of bucks…now, it’s two 48 oz containers for 6 dollars (used to be 5$). Manufacturers say it’s either keep the package the same and raise the price, or make the package samller, and keep the same price. Either way, we lucky consumers are screwed.

Horizontal Mike, most grocery stores have a price label on the shelf, which also shows the cost of the product per pound/ounce/fluid ounce, to make it easy to compare products & package sizes. Assuming, of course, those numbers aren’t BS.

I read in the newspaper a while back, that prices for foodstuffs will be going up this coming year…probably due to speculators in the futures market on products like corn, wheat, and soybeans. If you think prices are making your wallet thin now, pretty soon your wallet is going to get turned inside out (if it ain’t there already).

And while I’m at it…this payroll tax holiday thing. To me, this was a dumb idea..cutting the supposed funding of our social securiy accounts, to try to get the economy going. Isn’t SS going broke? And what do we do when it does go broke? “Whoops, no more money, so no retirement money for you”? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr this effin’ government we have. Like a firiend said: politicians deserve two terms. One in office, one in prison.

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#22 posted 12-24-2011 11:27 PM

Timmy,
Have you really paid attention to how THAT price/per ??? is stated on side-by-side competing products lately? On one product it may be “price/oz” and on another it will be “price/lb”, or worse price/bag or can, etc. AND THAT IS IF THOSE LABELS ARE CORRECT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

More often than not, we have to redo the calculations ourselves because either the grocer changes out the product (price/sale), or the manufacturer changes/shrinks contents in the package. Sometimes the price/??? is off by so far as to question the legality of such a “mistake” in the pricing. All I can say is DON’T TRUST THE SHELF LABELS TO BE ACCURATE.

My 2-cents… that is NOW worth 1.825-cents… ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#23 posted 12-24-2011 11:50 PM

most grocery stores have a price label on the shelf, which also shows the cost of the product per pound/ounce/fluid ounce

This is true. I am not sure what the requirements are for unit pricing, or even if there are requirements. Perhaps someone in the know can let me know.

I have seen many cases where there are unit prices, but the units are not uniform. There will be two brands of the same item. One will have a price per unit of weight and the other will have a price per unit of volume or just per item count in the container. If the consumer has to make these conversions, it is probably just as easy to do what H-Mike does.

Does anyone know how many fluid oz of vanilla extract are in a pound?

EDIT: Looks like H_Mike got in before I posted this!

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#24 posted 12-25-2011 12:05 AM

Yeah Chuck …...... now you see why there is so much resistance to “go metric” !!!!!!. One system ONLY of measurement/content is used, so they can’t hoodwink you. Superman would be an outcast fighting for ” truth, justice and (or) the American Way” Haha

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#25 posted 12-25-2011 12:11 AM

Roger,

In the metric system, my question would instead be:
Does anyone know how many milliliters of vanilla extract are in a kilogram?

But, I’m sure using metric couldn’t make the situation worse!

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#26 posted 12-25-2011 12:30 AM

Hi Chuck,
My post was a little tongue in cheek, but this labelling is really designed to fool you. – the name of the game – way of doing business!
Your question poses a contradiction. Fluids are measured as liters or parts thereof, and weight (mass) is measured in grams, so really that question would be invalid.
You would need to find out what the mass of the extract is, then you could find out how many grams you need.
You would need to know what 1 liter of liquid extract weighs – liquids have different weights e:g: a liter of water you can carry, but a liter of mercury …..?.

It’s all good fun, but food for thought – metric labeling prevents the ability to create confusion in pricing and value out of the buying choice decision.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#27 posted 12-25-2011 12:47 AM

Yup – that is why it is crazy. You need to know the specific gravity of vanilla extract!

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#28 posted 12-25-2011 05:14 AM

Chuck,
Yep… weight vs volume… NO wait! (pun intended) is that metric weight vs standard volume? OR Standard volume vs metric weight,... or was that metric volume vs metric weight? And the grocers do this ON PURPOSE!

JUST SHUT UP AND BUY! YOU HAVE ENTERED THE OUTER LIMITS… 8^o

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#29 posted 12-27-2011 06:06 PM

The boycott thing sounds pretty good on the surface, but, after a while I’m gonna get kinda’ hungry. When Kroger made thier 1/2 pound of cheese 6 ounces, I started buying Sargento. Now they both are doing it.

There is a clever little cycle they do to aclimate us to the higher price. First they get us used to buying the smaller size by charging the same ‘per unit’ price, making the total price lower. Then, once they have us reaching for the smaller package at the lower price, they raise they price back to what we were paying before for the larger size package—hoping we won’t notice.

Coca-cola is doing this right now. Once they introduced the 1.25 liter bottle (Yes, metric), the 2 liter bottles have not gone on sale again. They priced the 1.25 liter bottle at $0.99. The 2 liter bottles routinely would go on sale for $0.88. Not any more. The 2 liter bottle is $1.49 to $1.79 and hasn’t gone on sale since.

Have you seen the rediculous-looking tiny 8 ounce soda cans? I can’t help but laugh every time I see one. How soon, though, before the 12 ounce can is obsolete and we can only get the 8 ounce cans?

INCONCEIVABLE! (I love that line.)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#30 posted 12-27-2011 07:48 PM

Horizontal Mike, you’re right, sometimes those labels don’t compare on an apples-to-apples basis. In that case, I just decide which product I like more, and surrender my hard-earned bucks to “The Man”!

DS251, I saw a few days ago that a 2 L of Sprite was going for $1.89…used to be cheaper than that. And for sure, the thing with the cheese packages holds true for me, too.

Of course, my doc would think it’s a good idea that I don’t drink 2 liters of sodey pop.

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#31 posted 12-27-2011 07:59 PM

Renners: You mention putting only one drawer glide… I’ve seen budget cabinetry lines that use 18 inch drawer boxes on all the base cabinets whether it is a vanity or a kitchen base.

They use the standard 22 inch deep 3/4 extension glide so the box comes out the same distance, but the back of the drawer stops at the cabinet face. Most people never notice.

It can’t be saving but a few pennies per drawer.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#32 posted 12-27-2011 08:42 PM

Deception is the recognized way of doing business in the US for quite a while and is grossly dishonest. Using weights and measures with multiple “choices” on a package provides sufficient misinformation, and package sizes are often enhanced to give the impression of more value. There are, as you will see, so many companies marketing confusing content goods as a “legitimate” way of doing business – a free license to fool you.
It has been going on for some time and the gullible public gets taken and pony’s up the inflated price without a murmur. To boycott these outrageous scams is your only recourse, but that means boycotting the whole lot, not just one brand, switching brands does not always prove helpful.
The term “Good Old Days” can also be related to a time when this sort of practice was UN-American, and stealing.
Oh how we have sunk so low as to be dishonest and steal from our own people. Some of you can remember the 5lb bag of sugar suddenly becoming a 4 lb bag? ..... nobody did anything about it, so the greedy were given a green light to go ahead and make it their way of doing business, and foolish people just kept on buying their overpriced goods.
That’s one of the main reasons why corporations are so big and rich, often buying up the competition that plays fair in order to remove them.
This fraudulent system has been employed to sell all kinds of products including mortgages. This is where a good deal of our financial woes come from and why you, the public, get to lose value of your hard earned money while big business soaks it up, and the best thing on their part is if they “cry wolf”, you get to bail them out with whatever money you have left.

Without adopting any political stance from any party, we should all be focused on getting the country back on the “Straight and Narrow” – This type of dubious behavior is not political, it’s just a national disgrace.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#33 posted 01-24-2012 10:57 PM

I have to say that I’m tired of coming home from the store all pissed off!

Used to be you could buy the store brand corn chips 14 oz for $1. Now it’s a 10 oz bag and cost $1.25

Worse yet, they make only a small window available to see the chips and fill the rest of the bag with air.
The bags remain the same size as before, but if you don’t check the weight, you might think you’re getting more than you are.

Turn the bag upside down and the chips completely disappear from view! It looks like an empty bag of air!
(Ok, I’ll admit I turned a few over just to ruin the illusion for some other shoppers following behind me)

When will this madness end?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#34 posted 01-25-2012 01:17 AM

I would bet that if challenged over their diminishing pack sizes, the corporations would put a ‘health spin’ on it – ‘combating obesity’, or some other BS.

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#35 posted 01-25-2012 01:25 AM

hahahah @wudnhevn. I think they actually try that in the store with creative displays and such.

Pisses me off…..
I KNOW when I’m being ripped off. The sleeping masses have yet to figure it out.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#36 posted 01-26-2012 01:54 AM

When I was in college I worked at a grocery store (awful job thank you SEIU for taking my dues) and tried to explain unit pricing to this one woman, she just could not grasp the concept and got angry with me and told me that I was making stuff up.

Back to the main topic anyone notice that girl scout cookies are $4 a box this year and have hardly any cookies in them?

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#37 posted 01-26-2012 02:47 AM

Those Girl Scouts better be careful calling round to DS’s…

$4!!! GRRRR!!!

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#38 posted 01-26-2012 03:49 AM

Better watch out..

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#39 posted 01-26-2012 05:45 PM

too funny….

Are they really $4 this year? (Was $3 last year and had MORE cookies? Dang!)

See what we’re teaching our youth? ;-D

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#40 posted 01-26-2012 08:21 PM

DS251, I guess the real question should be:
Do the girl scouts get more money out of the sales commensurate to the price increase and lessor contents???

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#41 posted 01-26-2012 09:18 PM

It’s a little harder to be upset about GS cookies since a good portion of the purchase is to help a good cause.

Donating to the National Food Chain who continually makes an effort to create deceptive packaging is a little less fun.

@renners: I love that movie where Michael Douglas makes the fast food guy make him breakfast at 11:01am…
...no worries here, though. (I eat an early breakfast)

EDIT: or was that 10:01am?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#42 posted 01-26-2012 09:20 PM

Did anyone else notice that some of the ads for this thread are grocery coupons? I had to laugh at that!

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#43 posted 01-26-2012 09:50 PM

”The boycott thing sounds pretty good on the surface, but, after a while I’m gonna get kinda’ hungry. When Kroger made thier 1/2 pound of cheese 6 ounces, I started buying Sargento. Now they both are doing it.”

It’s a little difficult to blame the consumer choices, when—as you so rightly said—they slowly take away any choice we’re supposed to have.

When I was an adolescent, I noticed that Dannon Yogurt was reducing the % of fruit in their fruit-at-the-bottom yogurt Mind you, this was DECADES ago.

I began weighing the fruit in old-vs-new yogurt containers. There was a 30+% drop … as I thought. Being … well … who I was, I wrote them a thoughtful letter.

They sent me a coupon for something like a dozen free yogurts … with about 30% less fruit.

What DO we do, when the free-market fails us, and there simply IS no choice ?

Very good question…...

-- -- Neil

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#44 posted 01-26-2012 09:51 PM

Hmmmmm.

”—When the moderator chooses sides, his site sucks.”

I, and most of the other 38,000 LumberJocks … will miss you terribly, then ;-)

-- -- Neil

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#45 posted 01-26-2012 11:04 PM

A man who lived in the house next to the one I grew up in was a regular visitor to the Customer Service desk at the local grocery store. One of the things that I remember him doing involved X% lean ground beef. He would buy, say 85% lean. When he cooked his hamburgers, he would save the grease in the pan. He would then weigh it. If it was more than 15% of the original weight that he bought, he would show up at the CS desk with the label from the package and his collection of fat.

They never questioned him – just gave him his money back.

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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#46 posted 01-26-2012 11:17 PM

Neil, I dare you to find an 8oz yogurt cup anymore. They are all 6oz and they cost more.

Old—8oz for around 40 cents. (5 cents per ounce)
New—6oz for around 60 cents. (10 cents per ounce)

The price doubled when, to most people, it looks like it just went up 20 cents!

That says NOTHING about how much less fruit there is at the bottom too! (Thanks Neil for that one)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#47 posted 01-26-2012 11:41 PM

We here in the USA have a long hard road ahead, it’s gonna hurt for a long time, but BUY BUY BUY American. Always and everywhere. We lost it all when ,and may I repeat a phrase, became a service economy. Gimme back the steel, automobiles and the textiles, I’ll still breathe easier than now.

-- "The greatest pleasure in life is doing what others say you cannot do."-Walter Bagehot

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#48 posted 01-27-2012 12:01 AM

I’m going home and watchin’ Falling Down tonight…

...then maybe think up a plan… heheh, heheh.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#49 posted 01-27-2012 02:00 AM

Good movie.

-- "The greatest pleasure in life is doing what others say you cannot do."-Walter Bagehot

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#50 posted 02-03-2012 11:13 PM

This started with the 2×4. It was made smaller at least twice that I remember.. Plywood is smaller than it used to be. I wonder if something bad for you like cigarettes or big Macs are getting smaller too?
This is marketing’s way of giving you less for you money when they find that people will not stand for the price to increase. They think we are fools!

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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