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Looking for insight re: reclaiming old barnwood>>>

by oopsboardstretchrplz
posted 11-14-2011 05:02 AM


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WDHLT15

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#1 posted 11-14-2011 05:06 AM

Black locust is a dense and very rot resistant wood, that is why it was used for posts. It is very hard, but also has a wonderful ring porous grain pattern like elm and ash.

Tearing down an old barn is not a small task. It requires the right kind of tools and equipment to do it efficiently and safely. If you do not have the tools and equipment or the experience in doing something like this before, you might be catching a tiger by the tail. There is a reason that people give the wood away to have a structure torn down and removed.

-- Danny Located in Perry, GA. Forester. Wood-Mizer LT15 Sawmill. Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln

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#2 posted 11-14-2011 06:15 AM

Never mind about the species of the wood, what do you know about demolition?

Old barns are often structurally questionable, and have had who-knows-what kind of “improvements” over the years. If it was ever painted, you might be dealing with lead paint issues – and don’t forget asbestos.

Unless you know quite a bit about demolition, and have the tools and equipment to do it safely, you should probably pass on this “deal”.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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oopsboardstretchrplz

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#3 posted 11-14-2011 06:47 AM

WD & Saw- thnx for the input

As far as my demo skills/experience:
I’ve never torn down and old barn before but, a friend and I demo’d a 100 yr old house. We took it to the studs. Roof, sheathing, etc, etc.
I have a little experience in framing (summers during college).
As far as tools go, I think I’m OK. I have plenty of ladders, several different types of prybars, catspaws, sledgehammers, tarps, rope, a light/handy cordless circular saw, eye pro and a nice respirator. I also have access to scaffolding if needed.

Anything else I didn’t mention needed toolwise that you can think of?

Thanks and keep it coming folks!

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WDHLT15

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#4 posted 11-14-2011 02:39 PM

A tractor with a front end loader with pallet forks would be invaluable.

-- Danny Located in Perry, GA. Forester. Wood-Mizer LT15 Sawmill. Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln

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#5 posted 11-14-2011 03:46 PM

A safety harnass would also be nice. Start with the roof, and strip that down to the rafters. Then the rafters. DO NOT take away any other structure until then. Work your way down to each level.

As for what is in a barn, wood wise? Siding is usually Dour Fir, or similar pine. Posts can be ANY type of local hardwood. Floorboards, can be almost any kind of 2x stock.

I’ve gotten some “Barn Wood” over the years:

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#6 posted 11-14-2011 04:01 PM

When I was a child (maybe 7 years old) my grandfather went to an auction and bought two HUGE barns. We set to tearing one of them down, piece by piece. The other one we moved whole to another site using an old car frame, some huge I beams and a lot of welding rod. None of us had any experiance, but we had common sense. Use it, and don’t get killed and then you can figure out how to use all that great barn wood!

My opinion on the wood is this. If you make rustic furniture, it’s great. If you want to plane and sand it into smooth boards, you’ll be better off selling the stuff on craigs list (people pay BIG for barn wood) and using the money to buy the types of wood you want for whatever you make.

Whatever you do, don’t pass up the oppertunity. They are few and far between. Just don’t get killed.

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Bill White

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#7 posted 11-14-2011 04:16 PM

As was said in TV many years ago…...DY-NO-MITE!!!!!
Be careful out there. Free wood in exchange for a broken body part ain’t a deal.
Bill

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#8 posted 11-14-2011 05:33 PM

My only advice comes after demo. The holes left by nails will most likely contain rust. This will dull or chip planer blades. Also, the boards will contain large amounts of dirt… Make sure that you wire brush them, and blow them off repeatedly with compressed air before milling them or you will dull your blades in no time. The milling reclaimed lumber is tedious. Some is really beautiful when you mill it, and but doing it safely and without damaging your machinery is the hard part.

Make sure the owner has an expectation of exactly how much you plan to take. When you commit, some have the expectation that you want the entire barn, and and they have visions of you taking the entire thing and basically raking the lot, mowing the yard, and trimming the bushes… when you really only wanted a half of a truckload.
Remember that milling reclaimed lumber is tedious and time consuming.

Good luck.

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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#9 posted 11-14-2011 05:41 PM

The whole thing sounds tedious. Tough demo, cleaning/milling the wood, storage, selling process. They all look daunting. It can be done, but it will take tremendous time, effort, and energy. Good luck, let us know the results.

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#10 posted 11-14-2011 05:54 PM

My only caution centers on expectations. Yours and the owners.

You have your eyes on the prize: Great barn wood. Gotta look real hard at what’s standing there and decide if it’s worth the effort, because the owner of the barn knows what he/she wants: a clean piece of property.

Clearing the site means a dumpster filled many times over (depending on size, of course). Where to put what you pull apart and wish to save? Got dry storage to dedicate while the boards are coming off, then throughout the denailing process? Finally, what’s the timeline that you are both agreeing to?

I think it’s a great opportunity, so if you’ve got the time and other resources at the ready, go for it. Don’t get hurt, though! Good luck.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#11 posted 11-14-2011 06:01 PM

Another thing to watch out for…..NAILS! Watch where you walk! An old rusty nail up into the bottom of your foot means TROUBLE! EACH board you remove, take the time to remove, or at least bend over, any and all nails. DAMHIKT

As for what some of this wood can look like…

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#12 posted 11-14-2011 07:05 PM

I cut up quite a bit of black locust…once. It dulled every chainsaw chain I touched it with in just a few cuts, sometimes even throwing sparks from the silica that it held. I do not know if it is all like that, or if honey locust is like that, but I won’t mess with it again. You know the work involved, my recommendation would be to tempre the workload against the outcome and make up your own mind from there. If the beams were walnut or even tight grained fir I would do it, but for locust I’d get the marshmallows and beer out.

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#13 posted 11-14-2011 07:16 PM

if you need any technical demo questions feel free to pm me .. ive been working in demolition for the last 10 years and might be able to help you out with anything thats structurally funky on that old barn.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#14 posted 06-18-2013 02:23 AM

We are in the process of demo on our 150 yr old barn right now! Let me tell you, it’s exhausting work and we have only removed 1/3 of the roof so far ( the rotten part). And for a woman…well let’s just say there is a reason God gave men more muscle and larger hands! And it’’s also scary not knowing what’s gonna fall next. Termites are scary too! lol Good luck!

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bandit571

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#15 posted 06-19-2013 02:33 PM

Maybe just hook up a cable, and pull it down? Then you can just go through the pile on the ground. Find some boots with a steel sole, like the VietNam Jungle boots. That way, nails won’t be going into your feet. Termite infested boards can go in their own pile, and be burned.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#16 posted 06-19-2013 02:59 PM

Questions you need to ask yourself ?
What lumber is salvagable from this barn…..all of it, some of it or none ?
Will YOU use most of the lumber or is there only some that YOU want and can then SELL the rest to others to cover cost of LABOR you are going to put into this ?
My experience tells me to take the barn in the “REVERSE of building it” Start at top, work your way down. ANY time I cut and let the walls or roof fall it wrecked more lumber than you think, lots of splintered pieces, extra cracking, etc. You will need scaffolding or some other SAFE method of RECLAIMING most of the building. IF people take the time almost ALL can be reclaimed (Other than ROTTED areas, even then some designers are using that ROTTED, WEATHERED look in plans) “Outdoor living areas for example.” TIME is going to be your biggest factor in deciding is this worth it. Do you have the time to do it properly. WITHOUT seeing a picture of the barn I am only generalizing what can be done ! THIS is only my opinion. BEST of LUCK. IF I were younger I would come help…........NOT REALLY !

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#17 posted 06-25-2013 01:46 PM

Now have three planks of Barn siding to work over

Seems to be either a Fir, or a Pine

Tongue and groove edges, 4” double dutch profile on the “outside” Inside is dead flat. May just flatten down until smooth???

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#18 posted 06-25-2013 01:54 PM

Consider doing it in the winter. Less bugs to deal with.
The barn on the farm I used to live on had hand hued hickory framing and …...walnut! siding.
Don’t sacrifice safety for a board. Take your time.

-- Life is good.

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rrww

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#19 posted 06-25-2013 02:51 PM

Consider insurance if you or someone helping has an accident. Its common around here to have barns salvaged, and many times the home owner asks about insurance or bonding. Protect yourself.

We used to make a contract for salvage rights – basically we took what we wanted for X amount of dollars. When done the owner can tare down or burn the rest. It depends on how much good wood there is in the barn. We quit taking down barns because the labor and insurance / bonds was too much. We can buy it in qty cheaper than doing the work. Most professional operations come in with a crew and large equipment – they are doing 4 – 5 barns per month. I wish I was that fast.

Invest in a metal detector – even a cheaper one will save you tons of money by the time your done.

Good Luck!

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Don W

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#20 posted 06-25-2013 02:59 PM

One more thing to keep in mind. It’s already been said locust is hard. Let me say it again, locust is hard. Its great for outdoors because it will outlast you and your great great great grandkids. But …... if it was put up green, and it probably was, and the nail were driven in, getting them out will be like pulling teeth from an angry wolverine.

But I’d give it a shot for a bunch of weathered locust and whatever else may be in the place. You never know what treasures await.

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#21 posted 06-25-2013 04:37 PM

What happens to all the unuseable debre – do you haul away/dump fees ? I use alot of salvaged wood – it is alot of work .how will you store it . takes up alot of space and time .seems like i am stacking and restaking often .needs to be kept dry . Just pointing out that it may impede on your actual woodworking let alone your life . Though I really enjoy using salvaged lumber ,rarely do I actually get to use it in my client/paid work .Takes to much labor for most things I do . Great looking barn and wow it will have alot of lumber .

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Don Broussard

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#22 posted 06-25-2013 05:09 PM

My wife and I tore down an old family barn made of cypress a few years ago. We removed the tin roof, then the roof rafters, then worked our way down. The exterior boards (basically all the siding) were pretty rotten, but since the roof was intact, the hay loft and main floors were in very good shape. We salvaged the 1×12 floor boards, all of the siding and the tin roof. After about 18 months from the demolition and salvage, I still haven’t pulled all the nails yet. I do plan on making a nice armoire with the cypress floor boards for my wife.

BTW, this was our first demolition and no one was hurt (to the extent of requiring professional medical attention) while harvesting the barn.

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