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Cut dovetails fast from Fine woodworking

by mafe
posted 10-22-2011 12:59 PM


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tenontim

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#1 posted 10-22-2011 01:10 PM

Don’t think I’ll be using this method on the next jewelry box that I make. Does look like a fairly good method for large pieces. If you are going to get serious about making large dovetails, use a chain saw. ;-]

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mafe

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#2 posted 10-22-2011 01:15 PM

Laugh Tim.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#3 posted 10-22-2011 01:15 PM

I was just reading that article.
I guess….. I would have reached for my Bosch jig saw first.
I like the drill procedure that he used.

I once used my reciprocating saw for a sander. I glued and screwed a piece of plastic laminate to a long blade. I then used spray adhesive to attach the sandpaper. It made a really nice thin flat sander.

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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#4 posted 10-22-2011 01:17 PM

That is pretty cool!
I have been trying to get the nerve up to install a tail vise in my bench.
This would work for attaching the end piece of the vise.
Thanks for sharing this mafe.

-- Chuck

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Brit

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#5 posted 10-22-2011 01:38 PM

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Mads, Mads, Mads. What has become of the vintage architect? :-)

Cut dovetails with a reciprocating saw indeed? Just man up and chop out the waste with a chisel. After all, with the pace of life these days, who’s go time to charge batteries?

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#6 posted 10-22-2011 02:01 PM

Anyhow, wouldn’t it invalidate the saw’s warranty if you hit it hard with a mallet?

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#7 posted 10-22-2011 02:13 PM

Thanks for the tip, Mads. It’s really interesting.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#8 posted 10-22-2011 02:40 PM

eeeeeeeeeeee gadssssssssssssss…..use a chainsaw indeed, it feels like dovetails have just been violated….lol…....even though i dont do them a lot, i could not bring myself to use that method …..nope…but good try mads…....i like the old way…....chip chip here chip chip there….here a chip there a chip…everywhere a chip chip…...ole mcgrizzman had a dovetail… E I E I OHHHHHHH…....ANYONE WANT TO SING ALONG…...

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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#9 posted 10-22-2011 02:45 PM

Hey Mads, after cutting with the reciprocating saw, go ahead and duct tape the chisel to the blade. It’ll save on the hammering.

I think Andy said it best: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Mads, Mads, Mads.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#10 posted 10-22-2011 03:07 PM

HAAAA…I think some love it and some are horrified…lol…But I say it’s always good to try new things, and whatever works best for the woodworker and makes for a good job and enjoyable experience. Personally I think my woodright’s book cover of Roy Underhill just started to cry tears…...lol

Always great posts Mads thanks for sharing some new ideas on these!

-- "Make something you love tomorrow...and do it slowly" JLB

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#11 posted 10-22-2011 03:24 PM

Hey man, you do some fine work in that 1700 carpenter apron but what ever turns you crank—go for it. I like the power method myself because I don’t have the patience for hand cutting. I use a router and a dovetail fixture.

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#12 posted 10-22-2011 03:26 PM

we all talk about doing it the way the old timers did. Hand a carpenter in the 1700’s a router and see if he doesn’t use it …right?

(That’s what we call “justifying our means”)

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#13 posted 10-22-2011 07:28 PM

Guys I am a big laugh here.
I promise I will never do it that way! If I should do it fast I would do it on the bandsaw but I am retired so time is not a issue only my health and I can wait to cut the next tail for a day or two when I need that.
I even trashed my reciprocating saw after selling my last house, no more demolition in my life.
But the part with the Forstner drill is clever, this I might try one day.
Smiles – whish you all a wonderful weekend,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#14 posted 10-22-2011 08:50 PM

I like the Forstner getting all that waste out of the way and gaining access to the three lines with whatever, too.
Thanks, Mads.

“We all talk about doing it the way the old timers did. Hand a carpenter in the 1700’s a router and see if he doesn’t use it …right?”

He would have to either turn his apron around to cover the bad spot or go change his britches. ;=)

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#15 posted 10-22-2011 09:02 PM

maybee a good choise when making a window .... :-)...........thank´s Mads
if not I´l just use the stone axe

Grizz …. thank´s for the new song to the danceschool …......
now I need to make a new set of moves .......lol

take care
Dennis

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#16 posted 10-22-2011 09:50 PM

Recip saw = demo is so true. The hand held jig saw and the multi-tool barely make finish grade. ;=)

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#17 posted 10-22-2011 11:13 PM

Thats petty neat.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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#18 posted 10-23-2011 03:10 AM

It doesn’t matter what you use, does it? since it is just roughing out – as long as you don’t cut the line!
But when your coping saw blade breaks, surely one must have a hand saw to back it up?

-- If you can't joint it, bead it!

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#19 posted 10-23-2011 02:10 PM

Wauu that hotel is amazing, and the rafter a monster.
And your dovetails are beautiful, I will be proud if I ever get that good!

I did enjoy the videos, but must admit that this one also caught my eye there…
I love the Mafell guy he is so proud of his products.

Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#20 posted 10-23-2011 02:37 PM

Mads, I think I’d get hurt on that job site!

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#21 posted 10-23-2011 04:19 PM

Look how easy it can be.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#22 posted 10-23-2011 04:24 PM

These Japanese mastercraftsmen makes me think about the essence.
No pocket hole jigs here…

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#23 posted 10-23-2011 04:50 PM

Thanks for sharing Mads
Isn’t it great there are so many ways to get the job done. I say do it the way that works for you. I love the sing you hear while using a well tuned plane but ripping a board by hand using a hand saw just doesn’t make sense to me when I have a perfectly good table saw. But if you ask good old Roy Underhill he would say riping by hand is the only way to fly. This is wood so cutting it,shaping it,joining it is all up to the creator of the project to be made. I think the main rule of woodworking is to enjoy what your doing whether you use a chain saw or a bow saw.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#24 posted 10-23-2011 05:26 PM

Thanks Mafe… You straight guys always post these heavily sexualized pictures and videos of scantily clad women with tool. Seriously … this does not bother me (like it does other serious professionals who want to have respectability near their work and name and some of the females on this site)... what DOES bother me is that there is a serious disparity here. Where are all the shirtless and hot guys using power tools???? Not only are there no hot woodworking men posted on here.. but none on the internet either… a serious disparity….
SO you have inspired me. I got permission from my husband to have a photo and video shoot of the hottest guys I can find using the woodworking tools in my studio… This will be for all the girls on here (well the ones that like men) and to those few of us on here who are gay men. Just wait… I want to contribute to the moral ambiguity of this site… and maybe I can get some cash form this. LOL.

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#25 posted 10-23-2011 07:04 PM

Although I honestly LOVE watching japanese woodworkers.. now thats what I call woodworking porn.

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#26 posted 10-23-2011 11:36 PM

Hi Guys,
EPJartisan, you really made me laugh big time, yes I agree there must be equal rights for all of us! And I must admit that I acually also prefere these old Japanese craftsmen on my wall, I probably got old… My girlfriend laughed at me when she saw that I had a picture of Norma Jean in my work shop fully dressed – ‘is that the best you can do?’
Vonhagen, the video are not removed and it is not a gay rights discussion. EPJ just put pictures of what he likes, I think thats fair when I do too, I can laugh, pls we are adults we can laugh together, so I think it is clever you listen to your girlfriend.
I will ask LJ to remove my video, Vons comment, EPJ’s pictures, and finally this comment too, in this way we can clear the slate, hope it is ok, my post was for amusement but I think this turn was not so.
Best of my thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#27 posted 10-24-2011 12:10 AM

I´m sorry you had done that Mads since I laugh big time over that vidio
and think most people does if any shuold be angry over it it most be the manyfactor of the tools
why is it so that every advertisingbureau think if something is made for what is seen as a traditionel
male ariaer they just can throw in a lady that look foolish with or on the item then we just
run out and buy the product before the comercial is over ….......... do they think we are that stupid

Dennis

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#28 posted 10-24-2011 12:14 AM

PLS let this one rest now, and get back to the dovetail subject.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#29 posted 10-24-2011 12:19 AM

fine with me :-)

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#30 posted 10-24-2011 12:22 AM

I’m not sure it gets faster than this.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#31 posted 10-24-2011 10:22 AM

It is a Mafell ZAF 200.
No more of this it was I who made the mistake to post the video with working woman in a skill share forum, so I take it all on my shoulders.

This is clever!

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#32 posted 10-24-2011 04:17 PM

Awww… well then … I apologize for the shirtless guys. (rolling my eyes) LOL. Thanks for the defense, Mads.

@ vonhagen… I thought you were “done”... so your still acting like a homophobic, hypocritical dork
and to your demand that I NOT be gay on this site ….. HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHhhahhahahahahahha.
LIKE I CARE!!!! LOL. Sweety … You are just an annoying fly in my amazing world and hurtful blemish on an amazing website.

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#33 posted 10-24-2011 06:23 PM

In hind-sight though.. I did just post a non topic.. without engaging the woodworking of this string, which is not my norm.. my bad … sorry to everyone. I hand cut all my dovetails, though I don’t find uses for them often. I have one dozuki saw and one set of pairing chisels dedicated to fine joinery that if my assistant touches I will break his fingers. LOL, but I have done bands saw and table saw ones, when they didn’t have to be pretty only efficient. But I really need to get or make one of those cutting tools in the video.. I have seen other japanese workers use this… that tool that looks like a marking gauge, but cuts across the grain.. and deep enough there is no pairing or sawing.. anyone know how to get one or make one? Or what it is called?

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#34 posted 10-24-2011 07:00 PM

http://www.japanwoodworker.com/product.asp?s=JapanWoodworker&pf_id=15%2E258&dept_id=12996
This is what you are looking for.
(And yes no more looking back please).
Smiles,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#35 posted 10-24-2011 09:18 PM

I think I love you.. platonically, lol … thank you very very much for this website.

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#36 posted 10-24-2011 11:58 PM

Wonderful, just wonderful.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#37 posted 10-25-2011 08:25 AM

mads, that hole hog drill bit, brings a whole new meaning to hogging out the waste wood!

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#38 posted 10-25-2011 09:10 PM

Vonhagen and EPJ, now I wil ask with big letters: ‘PLEASE STOP’ you can mail each other with PM’s but ‘PLEASE STOP’ fighting here on my post, it really makes me sad and I think it has no place in this forum.
I’m a lover not a fighter so ‘PLEASE’.

Doordude, laugh, yes I agree.

Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#39 posted 10-26-2011 12:36 AM

Thank you.
Peace love and harmony.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#40 posted 10-26-2011 12:47 AM

If I were gonna do that sloppy of roughing out work, I’d use my chainsaw, mainly for the effect. Seriously.

I’ve actually used that ‘Leg up on the bench’ technique(in post #31). Hey, it gets the job done. :)

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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#41 posted 10-26-2011 01:12 AM

;-) Rance

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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