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Question on 3 piece plane iron

by Don W
posted 09-17-2011 02:58 AM


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#1 posted 09-17-2011 03:03 AM

I’ve not seen one like it…

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#2 posted 09-17-2011 03:05 AM

The top small nut is grooved so it rides in the slot. At first I thought it might be a way to adjust it, but that wouldn’t work. I’m stumped.

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#3 posted 09-17-2011 03:06 AM

Record had a stay set blade. Might be something like that.

http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/indextool.mvc?prodid=EE-SS-635.XX

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#4 posted 09-17-2011 03:55 AM

I’m taking a wild guess. I’ll bet the thick one is to stiffen a thin cutting blade. Tool steel costs much more than cheap iron. The cap plate holds the thin blade to the stiffener and you have mass with very little high grade steel. Like I said, a wild guess.

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#5 posted 09-17-2011 04:29 AM

BTKS beat me to it. That would have been my guess as well.

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#6 posted 09-17-2011 04:32 AM

I would suspect that they made the extra iron to be able to fit the plane that had been made for a meatier iron.

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#7 posted 09-17-2011 04:34 AM

The other option would be that this was an attempt at keeping the bed for the iron stable to prevent chatter caused by seasonal movement in the wood…it did not work out well, which is why you don’t see this often.

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#8 posted 09-17-2011 04:42 PM

Don I think this is just some one who had two irons and stored them in the plane like that.
Perhaps one for rough and one for smoothing.
I feel quite confident that it is not a doubble cutting iron, think about the shaves, they will automatically get stucked.
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#9 posted 09-17-2011 05:13 PM

I don’t think so Mads. The middle one is way to thin to stand on its own and the cap iron only attaches to the outside “iron”. So if the outside (thicker) blade wasn’t there, there would be no way to attach the cap iron. I agree about the shavings getting stuck, but I think it was made to work as a set somehow for some reason.

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#10 posted 09-17-2011 06:08 PM

The more I look the less sence it makes…
I think you are right it is a set – but?

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#11 posted 09-17-2011 06:10 PM

I would like to see some photos once the rust has been removed.

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#12 posted 09-17-2011 06:13 PM

I think I figured it out!
The thin iron is acually the only one cutting.
The thick is fixed behind and set just where the thin one ends – and act only for stability.
The chipbreaker is a chipbreaker.
But why?
Because you can sharpen the thin blade in a few stokes and it is cheap to buy new.
Like a kind of early disposable blades.
I know there were many discussions abot the time for sharpeneing on the thick blades in the old day.
It’s acually really interesting and really unique.
Big smile buddy,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#13 posted 09-17-2011 06:14 PM

And I see that it is waht BTKS writes… Goodmorning Mads!

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#14 posted 09-17-2011 06:20 PM

I’ll throw it in the evapo rust later.

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#15 posted 09-17-2011 07:06 PM

Really interesting Don, I have not seen one like that anywhere!

Curious to see how it will perform.

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#16 posted 09-20-2011 12:47 AM

So, my shop is a disaster. The new table saw and jointer started a domino effect of changes. I only had about an hour in the shop today, got frustrated and grabbed these out of the evaqo-rust.

Note the little ridge in the heavy iron. I’m thinking that one doesn’t get sharpened

The blade is stamped “Kellet’s PAT 1884.
A google search brings up a few for sale. And they go for a good price in good shape. But no inofrmation about them.

http://mjdt10.servername.com/tools/list1300/133220.htm

http://www.mjdtools.com/tools/list1351/list_1351.htm

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#17 posted 09-20-2011 12:50 AM

Good to know. Makes your plane worth more. I would think only the thin blade gets sharpened.

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#18 posted 09-20-2011 01:25 AM

I agree Wayne. I think its pitted to bad to ever be useful.

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#19 posted 09-20-2011 02:41 AM

That is too cool. I would have never guessed it. I guess that makes you a collector :)

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#20 posted 09-20-2011 02:42 AM

lol. I think we figured out that Don was a collector a while ago… : ^)

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#21 posted 09-20-2011 12:35 PM

Don collector – no way.

Don you will have to flatten the back first, but you can use the ruler trick so you will not wear out.
I have had to give up a few vintage irons that seemed to have this ‘pitting’ too deep, but saved some also.

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#22 posted 09-20-2011 01:31 PM

Mads, the center piece is like a saw blade thickness and pitted both sides. I’ll bet if I grind enough both sides to get the pitting out, I’ll have swish cheese. I think I’m going to do the real “collector” thing for this one. Make it pretty and retire it, rather than risk loosing it forever.

It’ll be some time. I still have 3 metal planes to finish and a shop to restore order too. The wife wants to hit an antique show this week end. I need resistance…...

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#23 posted 09-20-2011 06:35 PM

Lol…. Resistance is futile….

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#24 posted 09-21-2011 12:32 AM

Another odd one.
Blade is marked
GoldenBerg
Acier Fondu
A Garantie

Not much sharpening left either.

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#25 posted 09-22-2011 01:18 AM

There is a screw missing.
Look in this blog I made about a old German handplane with a wonderful French plane iron.

http://lumberjocks.com/mafe/blog/21555

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#26 posted 09-22-2011 01:24 AM

wow, thanks Mads…...

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#27 posted 09-22-2011 01:40 AM

;-)

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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