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What are your go-to setup and measurement tools?

by TheKingInYellow
posted 08-31-2011 10:16 PM


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Murdock

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#1 posted 08-31-2011 11:02 PM

My measurement tools are middle of the road models but I seem to do ok with them. I certainly learned the hard way about buying cheep tools, my first combination square cost me $7 and was worth about $2.

6” steel ruler – Detailed measurement because it has the finest scale of anything else I own. Also good for tight spaces.

framing square – Squaring up larger projects, verifying square on my miter gauge, even been known to use it for framing on occasion.

combination square – Use it for just about everything; marking gauge, verifying table saw setup, squaring projects, etc. Rarely out of reach, ...now where did I put it…

Tape measure – Measuring anything longer than my 6” ruler or combination square can handle. I have several 16’ ones scattered around to be in easy reach.

Drafting compass – The kind with 2 points, not a pencil. Use it for measuring things most people probably use calipers for, set it to the width of the item I want to measure then move it over to the 6” ruler to read. I also use it the other way to set a particular measurement on a ruler, then move it to the workpiece to mark it.

I have other measuring tools in the toolbox and hanging on the walls but they are either special purpose so don’t get used often or just have not lived up to what I thought they would be.

-- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#2 posted 09-01-2011 12:16 AM

Of course, it has everything to do with how we each work and the kinds of projects we do, but at the workbench, building tables and other misc. casework, here’s my go-to stuff:

6” Craftsman Combination Square – Love it, couldn’t do without it, always sits in the rack at the back right of the workbench.

#197 / #198 Stanley Marking Gauges – Can’t beat the feel of rosewood. Accurate too. One end is a cutting wheel, the other is a pin. It’s all good.

Zig Zag Rule – Lufkin inside measure stick rule. Small nicks at the brass ends to hold the pencil lead when striking a long rip cut. If it’s longer than 72” a tape measure comes out, but otherwise…

Tape Measure – Craftsman 16’, 3/4” tape. All 1” rolls are too fat in my hand, love the 3/4” size this one has and I rarely need to measure anything longer.

Dividers – Four sizes, various makers, all old. Like Murdock, these tools set repeatable widths / measures and are all kinds of useful. Can’t say I’ve ever transfered a setting to inches. With good use of dividers, I don’t measure near as often to get results. And that’s fine with me.

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gfadvm

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#3 posted 09-01-2011 04:45 AM

I use a steel rule,combination square, but I also use my fractional calipers A LOT. One of my most used tools for set ups. Mine is the non digital fractional caliper from HF [about $16]

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Flyin636

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#4 posted 09-01-2011 12:43 PM

For the most part we’re a Brown & Sharpe shop…....here’s a short list of precision handtools we use everyday in cabmet shop.

>Straight leg deviders,big and small,several of each

>Combo and try squares

>Dial calipres and sometimes spring leg OD calipres

>Surface gauge is an extremely quick hight setter for shapers and less so,but used on TS’s enough

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mikedddd

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#5 posted 09-01-2011 04:13 PM

I’m surprised no else has mentioned a story stick, I use one a lot. I also use setup blocks for shaper and router table setups, the less measuring I do the less mistakes I make.

-- Mike

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brtech

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#6 posted 09-01-2011 04:17 PM

Ditto on the Starrett combination square, the Veritas straightedge and the caliper.

I seem to use my Woodpecker 6” engineers square a whole lot.

I also reach for my framing square when the Starrett just isn’t big enough. Mine is very accurate, fortunately.

But I always have a small tape measure and a Lee Valley 4” double square in my pocket

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MrRon

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#7 posted 09-01-2011 06:19 PM

Any setup or alignment will only be as good as the tools used. They are the standards everything else is referenced to or from, so they need to be as accurate and precise as possible. This is not the place to cut corners with low cost (low quality) tools. My first tool would be the 12” Starrett combination square, followed by a Starrett straightedge and finally a 6” digital caliper, like a B&S or Mitutoyo. A set of feeler gauges also comes in handy. A good dial indicator and magnetic base is good for setting jointer blades. With these basic tools, you can setup and align just about anything in your shop. Remember: Don’t waste your money on low grade (Chinese) tools. To test them for accuracy, you need to compare them to the known precision tools, so they should be your first and only purchase. I speak from a machinist’s viewpoint, but it also applies to woodworking machines. The accuracy may not be as necessary, but you need a precise baseline to start from. There was an old saying back in my school days. It said “always strive for an A and you may end up with a B”. If you just try for a passing grade, you may end up failing. This is how I view accuracy in my woodworking; try for .015”(1/64”) and you may end up with 1/32” accuracy. Try for 1/32” and it may be too short.

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Bertha

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#8 posted 09-01-2011 06:49 PM

Mr. Ron, you mention B&S. What’s the general consensus on the quality? I don’t own any.

I use Starrett 12” combo
Starret mini machinist Square
Mitutoyo calipers
Master plane
Big box everything else

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brtech

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#9 posted 09-01-2011 06:58 PM

Brown and Sharpe is a well known manufacturer of precision measurement equipment, on a par with Starrett I would think. I rather prefer the Starrett combo to the equivalent B&S, but I would trust any reasonably well maintained B&S tool to be rugged, accurate and very useful. Certainly their calipers are fine instruments.

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Peter Oxley

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#10 posted 09-01-2011 07:16 PM

I have a set of brass set-up bars that get a lot of use in my shop.

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ETwoodworks

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#11 posted 09-01-2011 08:06 PM

I use a click rule because I have to but my friend uses it because it is far more accurate than a tape or ruler.

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rlrjr

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#12 posted 09-01-2011 08:21 PM

I usually just try to eyeball and guesstimate…......

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Bertha

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#13 posted 09-01-2011 08:23 PM

Thanks, BrTech. The B&S are usually much more reasonably priced used, which is why I asked. I thought they were on par with Lufkin maybe but from what you’re telling me, they might be quite a bit above. Thanks again, Al.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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Cosmicsniper

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#14 posted 09-01-2011 09:08 PM

For me, precision starts with my table saw fence and miter gauges…all Incra. I also have the 12” Incra T-rule, Veritas 38” straightedge, feeler gauge, combo square, try squares, brass setup bars, 123 setup blocks, 6” dial calipers, dial indicator with magnetic base and TS setup jig, Kreg router setup blocks…on and on and on.

I use a 12’ tape measure (don’t like or need anything larger), but I avoid its use as much as possible. I prefer to get my measurements relative to other things and use stop blocks for repeat cuts.

But really, in terms of “go to” tools, it’s all the Wixey stuff…angle measure tool…planer read-out…router read-out, etc. That, with the Incra positiioning fence for use on TS and router table extension, it takes a lot of talent to screw up my cuts…which is why I have yet to truly build anything square. :)

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Tedstor

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#15 posted 09-01-2011 09:15 PM

- A $3.50 Stanley Yardstick from walmart. I use a ruler stop I made from a stair gauge in tandem with the yardstick.

- An Empire 6” combo square

- a set of 1-2-3 blocks. These are just fantastic for soooo many functions. My set was ~$15 from amazon and as far as I can tell, they are demensionally perfect. Maybe not NASA perfect…..but definitely perfect enough for my garage LOL.

- Empire speed square. When efficiency matters more than flawless accuracy.

- Harbor Freight 6” digital calipers- I originally bought these to measure brake rotors and other automotive functions. I’ve had them for several years now. I’ve tested them numerous times using 1-2-3 blocks and feeler guages. They’ve always been dead-on accurate. I’d love to upgrade to a spendier model…..but its hard to justify benching a tool that works flawlessley.

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mtenterprises

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#16 posted 09-03-2011 04:09 PM

Sometimes you need something smaller than a 6” scale and this B&S mini ruler set is great. I wouldn’t say I use it all the time but I use it quite often. Rather pricey new but you can get a good deal on Ebay.

Just as a side note I picked up a machinist dial protractor, VERY ACCURATE, and for the fun of it I started testing all my various squares and square things. For the most part all of my squares were within minutes (‘) of a degree. For woodwork thats close enough for me. The one tool I thought would be off was a cheap HF orange plastic combo square, It was only off by 1 minute (‘). Wow, it now hangs on my table saw.

MIKE

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woodzy

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#17 posted 09-03-2011 04:26 PM

I’ve just picked up a 36” craftex straight edge. It’s revolutionized my shop.
I made sure to have it checked before i left the store. Actually one of the older gentelman who works there is a retired machinist and made apoint of not letting me leave without having a good product.

I think i should invest in a really good square.
Most of my measuring and setup tools are of the box store variety and give me a headache when i check there level or squarness against a quality product. This is an area of my shop i have to stop ignoring.

Thanks for staring the thread, it’s really helpful.

-- Anthony

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MLK

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#18 posted 09-08-2011 12:00 PM

I have a set of Brass Joe Blocks that range in thickness from 1/8” to 1/2” I got them from Rockler years ago.
I use these for just about every set-up I make from setting the hight on my table saw to marking centerlines.
I would be lost with them.

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docholladay

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#19 posted 09-08-2011 12:49 PM

4” Starrett Double Square
16’ Tape measure
Scratch Awl
Marking Gauge
6” hook rule
9” Starrett Combination Square
4” Caliper
Various Calipers used at the lathe
Digital Angle Cube
Digital Height Gauge

Doc

-- Hey, woodworking ain't brain surgery. Just do something and keep trying till you get it. Doc

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