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Need some helpful advice on a TS deal

by sgtq
posted 08-23-2011 05:07 AM


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crank49

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#1 posted 08-23-2011 09:06 AM

$450 sounds a little high for a used saw of that caliber. The tennon jig and dado stack is not worth a $150 to $200 premium which is what it sounds like he’s asking. I’ve seen better saws for less, but on the other hand, it’s a decent saw. The saw would probably be worth around $300. It does not have a riving knife which is a fact of life for most used saws these days; unless they are just a year or two old, then I’d be wary of why they are for sale.

I have a Craftsman saw that is virtually the same saw as the new Ridgid 4512, just a different paint color. It does have the riving knife and, in my opinion a fairly good fence, not a bad saw. I paid $409 for it last year, without a military discount, but on sale. If I was shopping for a saw today I’d rather have a better saw. The Craftsman/Ridgid 4512 is about the bottom end of the just acceptable quality range, IMHO. The trunnion assembly is a little on the light side, table mounted instead of cabinet mounted, fit and finish is marginal. For the money it’s a lot of saw, but I’m saying the next notch up in quality is a big leap up in durability. Unfortunately, that next notch up is about double the price.

On the other hand, for that kind of money, $500 to $800, you might get a used Powermatic or Delta Unisaw which is about as good as it gets. A big Grizzly would be good too, but I never see them on Craigs List.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#2 posted 08-23-2011 11:04 AM

$450 is definitely too high, $400 might be depending on the dado stack (a Forrest, Infinity, Ridge Carbide, or Freud SD508 or 608 might be worth something, but most stacks aren’t worth much used). If it’s in great shape, I’d offer $300 for the saw and would let him keep the accessories….used accessories don’t usually add a lot to the value of a used saw, and they may not be what you’d choose on your own. Buy those later on as budget and need allow. If he won’t come down in price, let him keep it…it’s a nice saw, but there are other options, and other 3650’s.

Please keep us posted!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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CharlieM1958

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#3 posted 08-23-2011 02:11 PM

It’s a good saw, but they were selling for $400 brand new before the newer model came out. I wouldn’t pay more than $300 for a used one.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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sgtq

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#4 posted 08-23-2011 03:54 PM

Thank you guys and I made an appropriate offer based off of your advice hopefully he will accept it, once again thank you all for saving me some money and possible disappointment.

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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Bertha

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#5 posted 08-23-2011 03:57 PM

I’d say way to high by at least $100. I don’t know many people who put exceptionally high quality dado stacks in Rigid saws but I suppose it’s possible. If it’s worth $400 to you then it’s not the end of the World. It’s a tad high for my area though. On a lucky day, $400 might get you near a vintage Unisaw.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#6 posted 08-23-2011 04:35 PM

agree with the others. I bought a 3650 this summer – basically brand new (the painted Ridgid logo on the blade wasn’t even worn off). I paid $300. If it’s showing more wear/use, I’d say that $250 is a fair price for the saw by itself..

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ShaneA

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#7 posted 08-23-2011 04:56 PM

Agree, $400 is too high, they go for around $275 here in Mo. However I think there is some value in the jig and blades if they are higher quality.

I have that saw, and I use the forrest dado king stack, and WWII blades so there are some of us (or maybe only me) out there with quality blades on ridgid saws.

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Bertha

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#8 posted 08-23-2011 05:09 PM

^I stand corrected! I certainly meant no offense to Rigid owners (I own a $200 JET). That’s just an exceptionally good quality dado that Shane’s got, one that’s unlikely to be a freebie. Stranger things have happened, though. :)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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EvilNuff

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#9 posted 08-23-2011 05:40 PM

I have a different opinion, I don’t consider any saw without a riving knife worth using at any price. Just my 2c and I know many will disagree. :)

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Bertha

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#10 posted 08-23-2011 05:53 PM

^that’s a fair enough complaint. I could even understand, “I don’t consider any saw without a sliding table worth using at any price”. However, price is a reality for most people, including me. Practicality notwithstanding, we’d all have Martins. But I definitely respect your point.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#11 posted 08-23-2011 06:20 PM

I like my riving knife, but it does pretty much the same job a proper splitter does….it’s just a better mouse trap. The BORK aftermarket riving knife doesn’t fit the Ridgid, but it fits several other saws. IMO not having a RK is a legitimate complaint, but I’m not sure I’d let that be the reason I’d pass up a great deal on a great saw if I were in the market.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#12 posted 08-23-2011 06:21 PM

sorry…double post.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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ShaneA

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#13 posted 08-23-2011 06:51 PM

No offense taken Al, I knew what you were getting at. I just wanted to point out there could be some real value in the accessories. However, as you said probably not freebies, unless he’s giving up the hobby. I only paid $300 for my 3650 new. I have more money in blades than the saw itself. If I had money to upgrade to 220 and a new cabinet saw I would. But I dont, so I would have to say the money I have spent on the 3650 has bought me my biggest woodworking bang for the buck to date, I highly recommend that saw, but like all things in life, it is all relative. Budget and expectaions vary.

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Bertha

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#14 posted 08-23-2011 07:19 PM

^I have a friend with a lot of money who took up woodworking. I was expecting to see an insanely appointed shop with some terrible projects coming out of it. Upon a visit, it was the exact opposite. His work was breathtaking and his saw? You guessed it, Rigid 3650 with a nice blade. I’d rather have a Rigid with a Forrest than a SawStop with a Skil. :)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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BreakingBoardom

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#15 posted 08-23-2011 07:27 PM

Yeah, I agree that the Ridgid 3650 is a pretty good saw. I have one and it works great for all I need, but I do agree it seems a little high as well. I may have just gotten a steal, but I paid less for more. I got my 3650 with a couple saw blades and basically an extra saw minus legs and the table wings, for $200. The guys father passed away and he needed to get rid of it. Apparently the guys father was one who always liked to be prepared. He wanted a second everything in case something went out so he’d have almost no downtime. So, extra saw base, extra motor, basically everything that could fail. I had to drive 2 hours to get it but I still think it was worth it. Hope your deal works out.

-- Matt - http://breakingboardom.wordpress.com/

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Bertha

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#16 posted 08-23-2011 07:30 PM

That’s boyscout level preparedness with an extra base! :)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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BreakingBoardom

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#17 posted 08-23-2011 07:36 PM

Yeah. I was impressed. The guy basically threw it in for free cause nothing he could do with it or use it for. I’m thinking about setting it up as a dedicated dado station for now. But I’ll probably steal the motor in the future to build me a drum sander.

-- Matt - http://breakingboardom.wordpress.com/

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sgtq

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#18 posted 08-23-2011 09:19 PM

Thank you all so much, I got it for 250 without the dado blades or tennoning jig, He also threw in his extra blades and homemade inserts. I pick it up tomorrow and I Cant wait, I dont know how I’m going to handle the possibility of straight square cuts. Again thank you all you saved me quite a bit of money.

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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BreakingBoardom

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#19 posted 08-23-2011 09:59 PM

Congrats. It should definitely do better than your Hitachi.

-- Matt - http://breakingboardom.wordpress.com/

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Bertha

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#20 posted 08-23-2011 10:04 PM

$250’s more like it. I think you both got a fair deal. Tenon jigs are really subject to personal preference and the best ones are usually shop built anyway. You can buy the dado stack YOU want when you need it. You’ve done well.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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knotscott

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#21 posted 08-23-2011 10:09 PM

$250 makes for a nice deal IMO…congrats! You still might want to put some of that savings into a good blade, unless one that’s included is excellent…it makes such a big difference.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Bertha

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#22 posted 08-23-2011 10:15 PM

^Knott’s the go-to guy for blades. I bought one for like $20 on Ebay (per his rec) and it’s nearly as nice as my Forrest. Guy knows what he’s talking about.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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CharlieM1958

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#23 posted 08-23-2011 10:22 PM

I agree…good deal! I have the 3660, which is basically the same saw, and I’m very happy with it.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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sgtq

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#24 posted 08-23-2011 10:35 PM

ok knott, could I get a rec. for a good blade on ebay, I need something general purpose for now but good quality with nice cuts thanks in advance.

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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knotscott

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#25 posted 08-23-2011 11:24 PM

You bet. Onsrud made in Germany by Leitz still have a few blades on clearance on Ebay. Initial listing prices are very reasonable, and most don’t get many bids, often selling for the opening bid price…free s/h is icing on the cake. They’ve got a few more, but the ones below suit your need well….both are 3/32” thin kerf, which are easier on the motor, but you could opt for a 1/8” full kerf instead if you wanted to.

50T ATB/R TK combo blade ($21)

42T ATB TK general purp blade ($15)

Another great deal in a full kerf blade is the Delta 35-7657 40T ATB for $18 + s/h from Cripe on Ebay. To get better, you’ll need to spend more like $70 for something like an Infinity 010-150 Combomax, or a $100 for a Forrest WWII, or Freud Fusion.

More on blades if you're interested

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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sgtq

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#26 posted 08-23-2011 11:46 PM

I just placed a bid hope I get it, I appreciate your article and glad I could learn a few things today. Thanks again

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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ShaneA

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#27 posted 08-24-2011 12:06 AM

Congrats on the saw. Sounds like you got a good deal.

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crank49

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#28 posted 08-24-2011 05:42 AM

You’re certainly welcome. Glad to be of assistance.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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sgtq

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#29 posted 08-25-2011 05:38 AM

Picked up my saw today in one of the pictures you can see my soon to be gone old hitachi table saw, wow what a difference, I also got this delta benchtop jointer for 75 dollars, so total price for everything 325 thanks to all of you and your advice.

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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sgtq

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#30 posted 08-25-2011 10:42 PM

I got the Onsrud for 21 dollars thank you very much knottscott! I also just bid on the onsrud dado stack, you might be my new hero :)

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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jim C

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#31 posted 08-25-2011 11:07 PM

Now get to work and make this for it.

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/24461

Congratulations

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BreakingBoardom

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#32 posted 08-25-2011 11:17 PM

Jim, I actually have that favorited and am going to do something similar once I move into a bigger shop.

-- Matt - http://breakingboardom.wordpress.com/

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jim C

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#33 posted 08-25-2011 11:32 PM

Yea, Matt
It’s the best assembly/ cutoff table I have ever used that shares space with the T.S.

-- When I was a boy, I was told "anyone can be President", now I'm beginning to believe it!

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knotscott

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#34 posted 08-26-2011 01:27 AM

“I got the Onsrud for 21 dollars thank you very much knottscott! I also just bid on the onsrud dado stack, you might be my new hero :) “

Cool….I think their 6” dado set is sold out, but I like their 8” stack for ~ $32 shipped …..very similar to the popular Freud SD208 that sells for ~ $90-$95. The $60 stack is similar to the Systimatic and clones like the Oshlun. Good luck!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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sgtq

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#35 posted 08-29-2011 02:13 AM

I just won the 8” stack for 51 dollars I’m assuming thats the 60 dollar one you mentioned since the bid started at 51, I’m sure excited to get these and I am loving the new saw. Pictures to come soon of my first project with it.

-- There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America. ~William J. Clinton

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