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I want to build a boat!!!

by HuntleyBill
posted 1082 days ago


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samual

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#1 posted 1082 days ago

Hey Huntley,
I believe that this article can help you decide:
http://www.smallboatplansreview.com/boat-building-tools-tips/what-is-the-best-wood-for-boat-building

good luck!

S

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SSMDad

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#2 posted 1082 days ago

Here’s the one I want… err… want to build! Lord Nelson’s Flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar!

Rule Britannia!

(yeah I want all 104 working guns too!!) Not asking too much is it? :)

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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David Kirtley

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#3 posted 1082 days ago

In this case, fir, pine or cedar could be used. Not much of a difference.

The techniques are pretty dated in comparison to modern plywood boat construction.

The plywood could be improved on. If available, I would go with a real marine plywood for longevity. Better plywood would also allow you to go thinner and lighter and still be stronger. At least baltic birch or other well sealed hardwood plywood with exterior glue. If you go with the fir ply, you will need to glass the whole thing because the fir ply will check.

Epoxy is easier to work with and more forgiving than Weldwood.

I would also add some enclosed flotation to have something to hang on to when that puppy goes airborne and comes back butter side down.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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rance

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#4 posted 1082 days ago

Bill, Hopefully ‘Shipwright’ here on LJ will chime in. He used to build boats. You might also contact ‘tyvekboy’ here on LJ. He uses tyvek for boatbuilding.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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Lee Barker

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#5 posted 1082 days ago

I have built the Nutshell Pram, a Joel White design. It was a successful outing. Not sexy like the hydroplane.

Boat plans are highly refined documents. You can mess with a table design, but unless you’re an expert, you’re wise to stay with the exact specs of a boat plan.

And if you’ve never built a boat before, and do, I suspect you’ll discover this interesting factoid: Everything else I’ve built has started from the wall or the floor. A boat starts at a point in space. Go for it!

Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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HuntleyBill

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#6 posted 1082 days ago

Thank you all for your help. This design is decades old and thus the wood choice is dated. One of the many reasons I come to the experts. Yes…that’s YOU! If there is a better choice of wood, you guys would know it. I’ve had suggestions of luan instead of ply etc. I don’t know if that is viable or not.

Also, I wanted this boat to be able to accommodate 2 people. So I figured I would enlarge it from 8 feet to 10 feet and maybe go a little wider. So, if going from 8 to 10 feet is a 25% increase in length, does that mean I go 25% wider and deeper???? I’m beginning to realize why I don’t sleep well!

-- If you think you can, or think you can't...your right!

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David Kirtley

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#7 posted 1082 days ago

Changing stuff is a slippery slope. You will always be plagued with adding more here and there.

Going from 8’ to 10’ introduces scarfing plywood. Not that hard to do but another skill to learn.

Lost of times people go length only for enlarging. It does sometimes change the bracing as well. For go fast boats, you have to be careful because you can make things that will trip up the boat and make it tend not turn well or safely.

Glen-L has similar designs that are bigger.

For your first one, I strongly suggest going from someone else’s plans and build to spec. Then start changing to your liking on the next ones. (There will be more. It is addictive.)

You want a go fast boat to carry more people and look good behind a model A, A Bolger Sneakeasy would be sexy.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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SSMDad

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#8 posted 1081 days ago

Sorry Samual. It was supposed to be a joke. (though I really wouldn’t mind having it)
I’ve been interested in building a little boat too so I’m glad you asked this.

Cheers!

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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helluvawreck

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#9 posted 1081 days ago

Building a boat is something that I have always wanted to do and I have two or three very good books on it that I have probably had for 20 years. However, at 61 and with more directions that I would like to take up in woodworking it is doubtful that I will ever build one. I say go ahead and build one while you can. It may be the only opportunity that you will ever have.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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crank49

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#10 posted 1081 days ago

I can remember that design from when I was just becoming an engineer. I wanted to built that very boat; even got plans, I believe. I changed my mind whan I saw one flip and land “butter side down” on Wheeler Lake.Those things are very finicky, almost low flying airplanes. I wouldn’t dream of getting away from the original design at all; except to use more modern materials.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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HuntleyBill

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#11 posted 1081 days ago

Ok Ok…you talked me out of that boat. I’m now looking at the Glen-L TNT design. 11 foot and built for 2 with a little extra room for the dog!

Then there was the suggestion of instead of an outboard, use a jet ski motor and pump! I love it! hmmmmm 750 cc, 1000, 1200????? decisions decisions.

I’m going to have to name the boat after Lumberjocks for all the good help and advice. There is another idea…a naming contest!!

-- If you think you can, or think you can't...your right!

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David Kirtley

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#12 posted 1081 days ago

If you look at the inboard ones, they have the 11’ Dyno Jet already designed for powering with jetski propulsion.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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shipwright

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#13 posted 1080 days ago

I hope you do build, Bill.

My advice for anyone in your position (as per my PM to you) would be to seek out plans from a respected designer who specializes in designs for, or at least caters to novice builders. They will give you lots of info that most designers assume that the builder already knows.

Glen-L is certainly in that group.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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Dan Lyke

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#14 posted 1080 days ago

I’m gonna go the other way on this one. This spring I competed for the first time in the Bodega Bay Fisherman’s Festival Boat Building Competition. 2 sheets of 3/8” ply, a couple o’ 2×2s, a stack of 1×2s, a sheet of plastic, a pound of 1” wood screws, a pound of nails, a few tubes of caulk, a few other things.

Add 4 people on your team, 3 hours, battery powered drill drivers and hand tools. And then you race.

My takeaway from all of this is that you can build a nice little paddleable boat that’ll last you for a summer for $30 and an afternoon.

Pictures from our build (follow the link on the bottom to go further).

That basic experience taught me a lot about boats and boat building, the value of plans, but mostly the value of saying “yeah, this afternoon I’m going to build a boat”.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke

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rance

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#15 posted 1076 days ago

Dan, I have to admit, that there looks like a LOT of fun. A nice Father/Son project. Or a Father/Daughter project. Now the determining question to Bill is “How long do you want your boat to last?”.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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HuntleyBill

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#16 posted 1076 days ago

I’m confused Rance. I want it to last forever! I ordered the Glen-L TNT today. I think shipwright makes good sense in starting with good plans. Glen-L seems to have a good forum site as well.

I’ll keep you all updated. Now I have to learn everything about 40 HP Evinrudes…I just bought a used one!

Geeeze, what am I doing??

-- If you think you can, or think you can't...your right!

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shipwright

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#17 posted 1076 days ago

You’re having fun.

That’s a good thing.

You’ll be fine

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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rance

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#18 posted 1076 days ago

I think you’re gonna do just fine Bill. FYI free partially finished Tyvek boat:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Airolite_Boats/message/1227

I’ve heard of concrete boats. I don’t think you’d care if they only lasted a week. ;)

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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Dan Lyke

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#19 posted 1076 days ago

I’ve also heard good things about the ease of building stitch-and-glue kayaks. A little more robust than Tyvek, goes together quickly, can look amazing.

On the “how long do you want it to last?”, I’m still enough of a novice woodworker that I like the freedom of being able to build one to throw away.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke

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Napaman

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#20 posted 1004 days ago

here is my build going:

http://lumberjocks.com/matt1970/blog/25399

And I just decided to pause on this sail boat so I can build one of these:

www.pdracer.com

I am going to do this so I can get done and out on the water faster while I continue my bigger boat…

Let me know how it goes…

Matt

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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Glenn

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#21 posted 1004 days ago

I’ve been walking the same road you are since this summer and have gone so far as to buy a handful of books on the subject, such as those by Dynamite Payton, et al. Out of the ones I’ve read, the best, IMO, is Boatbuilding for Beginners (And Beyond) by Jim Michalak. In addition to being a complete how-to manual sufficient in itself for building a boat, it contains full plans for six of Michalak’s designs. I’m planning to build his 14’ sailboat and his 16’ jonboat, since that is a trusted design on the backwaters around here. After Michalak, I think Gavin Atkin’s Ultrasimple Boatbuilding is the next most useful. All of his plans are on the Internet and are free, I believe. Unfortunately, none of his designs are very appealing to me, but the how-to information is extremely useful. The most technically impressive book is Sam Devlin’s Boatbuilding: How to Build Any Boat the Stich-and-Glue Way. This guy is a professional boatbuilder in Washington, however, and much of what he writes is like the “Fine Woodworking” of boatbuilding. If you were building a 30-foot schooner instead of a weekend fishing jonboat, his book would be more useful IMO. The Dynamite Payson books are good, too, but a little dated. Additionally, in contrast to Devlin who is likely to use teak and brass, Payton has sort of a “throw it together any old way” mentality just to get something built and you on the water as quickly as possible. I’m happy with the designs I’ve chosen for my first-time building, but one day I’d like to build a Tolman skiff.

-- Glenn, Arkansas

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runswithscissors

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#22 posted 602 days ago

I’d seriously look through Phil Bolger’s plans books. Look for “The Folding Schooner” his earliest (and no kidding, a 30’ schooner that really does fold and goes on a trailer); “30-Odd Boats;” “Boats with an Open Mind;” “Small Boats;” and “Different Boats.” There is a huge spectrum of designs, row, sail, power, fast, slow, live aboard, sail around the world, sail on the local pond. He usually designs for the amateur builder, give you a thorough explanation of each element of the design, and how it came to be that way, and never fails to point out design limitations. I’ve learned to be suspicious of any design that starts out, “The perfect boat for every use and every budget.” that ain’t gonna happen. He is also a proponent of stitch and glue, which requires no chine stringers where bottom and sides meet. This is a successful technique that greatly simplifies small boat building, and its possibilities have been thorougly explored by Sam Devlin, whose website is well worth a look. Devlin is another who will sell you plans. You might also check out “instant Boats” and “New Instant Boats,” by Dynamite Payson. His plans are all actually Bolger designs, but he is not nearly as entertaining and educational a writer as Bolger is.

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