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Saws, using collecting, cleaning and buying

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#2601 posted 529 days ago

Nice detective work Andy.

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#2602 posted 529 days ago

Brit- Great info! I agree with you assessment that this has to be a pre-Spear & Jackson, perhaps even a pre-Spear & Love saw. But I wonder what the pre-John Spear saws were marked with? Alexander Spear made saws as early as 1760. How do we know if this is a 1811 John Spear or a pre 1811 Alexander Spear?

As I am not a saw expert, I can say little about it. I do note, however, that everything appears hand made. The stamp is slightly crooked and the nuts appear hand done to me. I am a huge fan of history in any form, so this saw is a real find for me!

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#2603 posted 529 days ago

Stumpy – I would frame it and put it on display.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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bandit571

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#2604 posted 529 days ago

Tried to work the rust off of two things today. My right arm, and this “Hybrid Saw”

Saw plate by Disston, handle by Steigo, two medallions. @20” long. Rust in both items ? Still there.

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#2605 posted 529 days ago

Stumpy – Split nuts didn’t appear on saws until 1780, so it is post that date. Before that time the handles were riveted.

I can’t find any evidence that Alexander Spear made saws with Spear on the spine, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t. Perhaps we’ll never know.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#2606 posted 529 days ago

I am thinking of rehabbing it instead of displaying it. I mean, it would feel great to use a 200 year old saw to cut some dovetails. And since it’s otherwise destroyed, it won’t really hurt it’s value. Where do you think I could get a reasonable priced yet good quality plate for it?

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#2607 posted 529 days ago

Stumpy – More info on this thread on the Backsaw.net forum. One member suggests that S&J continued to make saws under the name of John Spear.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#2608 posted 529 days ago

For a new plate, send Joe (Need2boat on LJs) a PM. He runs Second Chance Saw Works and will able to either restore the saw for you or sell you a plate with the teeth cut ready for you to fit. He does watch this thread, so include a link to your photos and I’m sure he’ll be happy to help.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#2609 posted 529 days ago

Stumpy contact Joe at http://www.secondchancesawworks.com/ or http://lumberjocks.com/need2boat for a new plate. He’ll sell you the plate, and/or cut the teethe and sharpen it for you.

if he happens to not pop into the thread to see this.

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#2610 posted 529 days ago

great minds think alike!!!!

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#2611 posted 529 days ago

Stumpy if you want it done right there are only 2 guys I would trust Matt Cianci And our own Joe Joe did my Marples saw and it is fantastic .

that’s before

Ill go take an after as i cant seem to find it

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Brit

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#2612 posted 529 days ago

Dude – Here is your after photo. It looked so nice I saved it in my saw reference folder.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#2613 posted 529 days ago

now that’s an advertisement!!!

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#2614 posted 529 days ago

OK I found the after hope this shows joes work well enough

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#2615 posted 529 days ago

well thanks Andy I love the saw it is my go to tool cuts about 90 % of my hand work except dovetails

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#2616 posted 529 days ago

Ya Don I have no problem Advertising for Joe He is a stand up guy helped me through some slim times and I wont forget that .

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#2617 posted 529 days ago

Came across a c.1820 Spear back saw. This one has a “Spear” stamp, but both the stamp and the handle shape are much more developed.

Below is the 1820 model. Then mine to compare. Mine is much more primitive, which in my experience means significantly older. (Designs rarely devolve) Maybe I should get ahold of the company and tell them I paid $6 for what may be the first saw they ever made… :)

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#2618 posted 529 days ago

With saw totes it seems like they did devolve after the 1930’s when machines started producing the totes. Lambs tongues disappeared, horns and nibs shrank.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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#2619 posted 529 days ago

Everything devolved after WWII. That doesn’t count…

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#2620 posted 528 days ago

I bought 7 hand saws yesterday for $45 at an antique store in Salem, OR. I went in there looking for hand planes and the little old lady that owns the place said they didn’t have any but asked if there was anything else I was interested in and I said old wood handled hand saws. So she took me to the farthest corner of this jam packed, cobwebbed, creepy, cold building to a 1800’s wooden screw carpenters work bench so well used that the corners and edges of the bench were rounded. On top of the bench were 6 wood handled hand saws and 1 cast irom handled hand saw. a few days ago I bought a wood handled hand saw at a Goodwill store for $5 so I offered her $5 a piece for all of them. She said that they had been there for many years and and she would be glad to get rid of them but she would need $15 for the metal handled one so I took them home all 7 saws for $45

This is the cast iron handle saw:

and these are the wood handle saws:

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2621 posted 528 days ago

Emma that was a good deal however if your going to take buying saws serious you should arm your self with the instructions for buying old saws found on my site here is the deep link read this if you want to be out looking for gems in the rust pile you need to know this basic information good luck with your search I used to live in Salem http://thisoldworkshop.com/menu-info/1-info-rustygold

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#2622 posted 528 days ago

A good deal at $5 a pop. They can’t all be gems, but they can provide plenty of practice. I’ve got a stack of my own waiting for me to find time to tackle them.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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#2623 posted 528 days ago

Thanks dude, I’ll take a look.

The little old lady did have a wood handled hand saw in a glass case that was a Winchester brand with a price tag of $150. She asked me if I was interested and I said noooo… not today thank you!

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2624 posted 528 days ago

Richard,

The 1st 2 wood handled saws have cracked handles and I would like to someday make new ones. My big dilemma is is the saw cut that the blade slides into. Is it a straight cut or is there some funky curves that the blade has to butt up against?

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2625 posted 528 days ago

Take the handle off the saw plate, and look at the plate. That will give you the answer.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

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#2626 posted 528 days ago

Shinning up a hand saw blade… I saw thinking with the saw that have the teeth that are flat I could just run a fine grit stone with some oil over them.

I’d rather ask stupid questions than make stupid mistakes… I think I’ll make that my new signature.

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2627 posted 528 days ago

I found this informative website.

http://www.backsaw.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=102

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2628 posted 528 days ago

Thanks for the link Emma. Have you read Brit’s blog on saw restoring?

-- "It's amazing how much can go wrong when you think you know what you're doing."

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#2629 posted 528 days ago

CL810,
No, I haven’t.
Got a link?

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2630 posted 528 days ago

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#2631 posted 528 days ago

I was out of town this weekend and just catching up. Lance and others thanks for the support and kind words. If Anyone has questions about the services I offer feel free to email me or the the links below should take you to my site.

cheers

Joe

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#2632 posted 528 days ago

I think I will just post one of mine, in action

I might get the hang of these things, yet

Not too shabby??

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#2633 posted 528 days ago

Not too shabby for a newby!
Keep using em and you can do it without a line.

-- Sawdust and shavings are therapeutic

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#2634 posted 528 days ago

Emma, check out Andy ’s blogs here.

-- "It's amazing how much can go wrong when you think you know what you're doing."

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#2635 posted 528 days ago

Squeezed in an hour in the shop to try another set of tails.

Need to define my base line a bit better. Better chisel work is the answer. Dangerously close.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#2636 posted 528 days ago

Stef you really tightened the DTs up! Anything specific that made the difference?

-- "It's amazing how much can go wrong when you think you know what you're doing."

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#2637 posted 528 days ago

Cl810- i went out and bought a whole armful of dumb luck ;). Actually a bunch of articles sent to me from Mos, Andy, Jorge, a suggestion from Lance, and some tips from Bhog seemed to sink in a little bit. I undercut the inside of the tails a bit, tried to be neater with the chisel and the marking knife. When i was going to make my cut in the tail board i ran the teeth of the saw once across the end grain at 90* giving my saw a kerf to ride in. I then took a step back and lined up that beveled cut which might have been the most helpful thing of all.

This is where it got a little dicey. I think i took too big of a bite with the chisel and it squished some fibers

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#2638 posted 527 days ago

C’mon bro…it is the mallet! : )

Surprised that thing hasn’t shattered yet, it has to be out of warranty by now.

Are you gluing these DTs up? A little glue and sawdust can do wonders. (Not that I would know)

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#2639 posted 527 days ago

Thats it Shane! The slimline zebra mallet brings the fortunes of the gods.

No glue in em just “hitting the range” if ya will. Yet to try a hardwood but i might just dive right into a project and screw somethin nice up.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#2640 posted 527 days ago

Jolly good show Chrisstef.

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#2641 posted 527 days ago

chrisstef: I think I had a little Red cedar box somewhere in my Projects Page. One of the very few times I have done dovetails.

As for LARGE Dovetails, I do have a few on the end of the bench I built. Had to use a 26” long handsaw to cut them with….

Easier to see the cut lines.

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#2642 posted 527 days ago

they look pretty good Stef. You’re a fast study. And pine isn’t the easiest to cut them in.

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#2643 posted 527 days ago

Stef – Looking good baby! What you’ll find is that some woods like pine give more than others. You can cut them quite tight in pine and the fibers will compress when you assemble the joint giving you anice tight joint. It is a different story however when you cut them in hard maple, so you have to allow for that.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#2644 posted 527 days ago

Excellent chris…dumb luck, my a$$! That’s the tried and true method of just plain doing it! Asking questions from your buds, and PRACTICE. Congrats, and I’m very jealous! :)

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#2645 posted 527 days ago

OJM,Yoda – much thanks fellas.

Bandito – Im not sure im up to cutting with that kinda saw just yet but well done brother.
Andy – When i was about to assemble them i di notice that they were a bit fat but i said what the hell and gave it a mallet whack. They slid together well but like you said im sure that some wood was compressed. Im going to move on to poplar tonight. Then to maple for a real project. I need to up my quarter box for Friday poker at the office, that tupperware is givin me bad juju.

Terry – I claim no mastery of this joint but i do claim to be in the land of many masters and all you guys have helped me in one way or another. Im just the dummy runnin the saw.

I gotta say lookin at these again in the morning makes me happy even after i just had to shovel ice off the driveway for an hour.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#2646 posted 527 days ago

I have worked with Joe in the past and found that he is very knowledgeable and professional – a lot like most of the people that hang out here.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#2647 posted 527 days ago

30 in 30 with different kinds of wood.
Softer woods can compress or dent when assembles.

Overall I give Stef 3.75 on a 4 scale.
28 more days

-- Sawdust and shavings are therapeutic

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#2648 posted 527 days ago

And thats certainly better than any GPA i carried Slim. Ill take it!! Thanks brother.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#2649 posted 527 days ago

Hand saw tills of your dreams:

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#2650 posted 527 days ago

Used a couple of mine today

The big one to scribe a line, and the little one to cut a line

I had a few of these to do

With a little help from some chisels

Got all the tenons done today.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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