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Saws, using collecting, cleaning and buying

by Don W
posted 06-26-2011 01:17 AM


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#151 posted 08-25-2011 07:30 PM

@Rustfever, misery loves company. Note none of my braces are restored yet, but Andy is pushing and pushing.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#152 posted 08-25-2011 07:32 PM

Rustfever—

You haven’t graduated until you start making your own planes. You have to have a couple of good saws to make a plane.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#153 posted 08-25-2011 07:37 PM

Don W – Isn’t it about time you pulled your finger out on those braces brother?

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#154 posted 08-25-2011 07:47 PM

See, what did I tell you guys. Wayne is already calling me a collector

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#155 posted 08-26-2011 06:52 PM

If it looks like a nut, its not a screw !!!!! ;)

-- Pat - Worker of Wood, Collector of Tools, Father of one

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#156 posted 08-27-2011 03:40 AM

I upgraded this weekend.

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#157 posted 08-27-2011 04:09 AM

Lol. At least your not a woodworking Poser….

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#158 posted 08-27-2011 02:21 PM

seriously I’m thinking of making a few “investments” in antiques tools. With the money my 401k has lost over the last few years I could outfit a pretty nice shop.

RG, that vise looks pretty clean.

Brit, I actually took a brace off the rack yesterday. After a long stare, I set it back. I just can’t get motivated yet. To many planes left to do.

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#159 posted 08-27-2011 06:42 PM

I have been please with the vise thus far but my custom sharpening station just became more needed….I can’t believe I am going to admit this….but I think I may have too many projects.

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#160 posted 08-27-2011 07:18 PM

Well if it helps I disagree. You just have to little time.

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#161 posted 08-29-2011 12:09 AM

I cleaned this one up today and sharpened:



I’m not sure how well you can see it, but there is a ruler etched in the blade. You can make out the inches along the top. Its a C E Jennings. I tested it by squaring up and oak 2×4.

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#162 posted 08-29-2011 12:23 AM

niice job :-)
funny to see not just the ruler but allso the total different shape on the handle
where the blade is and seing the screws lined up compared to other sawmakers :-)

thank´s for showing :-)

Dennis

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#163 posted 08-29-2011 12:35 AM

if you look in front of the screws there are 2 cooper pins too. They are just driven in flush on both sides.

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#164 posted 08-29-2011 12:54 AM

I didn´t noticed that :-(
or ells I would have asked what it was never seen it before …. that just saying I know nothing :-)
reasonly I did get a few old saws now I just need to find a sawvice to the right money
but no hurry there sofare I have plenty restoring jobs waiting …. and afraid of how much
the humidity in the basement will set me back …. don´t think I oiled the other tools enoff
to pass the flodded basement with out rust …. well that time that sorrow … I gess it will
take a few month before I´m thrugh everything and can consentrate on restoring new things

Dennis

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#165 posted 08-29-2011 08:29 AM

Nice saw Don.

Dennis I think the straight edge on the handle was so that carpenters could also use the saw as a square. That is also why it has the rivets to stop the handle going out of square with the back of the blade. As a square, its probably not very accurate, but for rough work it would be Ok.

Is it square Don?

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#166 posted 08-29-2011 08:40 AM

AAh … and here I thuoght it was a newer thing on plastichandled saws

thank´s Andy

Dennis

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#167 posted 08-29-2011 03:43 PM

Don,

sweet looking saw. Now that I’ve had a little experience handling saws I’m getting a little better at knowing if it’s a keep or not. Around me 99% of the saws are Disston, since I’m about 20 min from where the factory was in Philly.

RG. was that on ebay? I think I looked at that. It’s a nice size for longer hand saws. How long it the clamp?

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#168 posted 08-29-2011 03:50 PM

Has anyone found a good way to deal with a kink in a saw? I got a otherwise good saw that has a single kink in it and I figure I might as well give it a go before I set it aside. The kink fall about 3/4 of the way down and not real bad. I just some light force to just bend it back without much luck.

I’m not must of a metal worker and didn’t know if I should just try and lightly tap it out from top or should I use a punch and work the kink back out.

joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#169 posted 08-29-2011 03:52 PM

Hey I’m going to Philly this week. I’ve got my recommended spots for Philly Cheese Steak Sandwitches set. Now where are the good thrift stores for picking up saws???

Do you think I can carry that on?? ha ha ha.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#170 posted 08-29-2011 03:53 PM

Andy, you’re a wealth information! I’ll have to check and see how square it is. That makes sense. I’ll try to remember this evening. Its amazing how long I’ve used hand saws, and never seen anything like this. I’d think it would be a more common practice, especially on the new tool box saws. Maybe it would take to much to actually make them square. They’d have to charge an extra 50 cents.

Thanks…..

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#171 posted 08-29-2011 04:05 PM

And ….. I want you to know I actually started taking the head off one of those braces yesterday. It wouldn’t come off, so I put the screws back in it and went to the house to re-read your blog. I would have been pissed after beating that sucker off only to find it was threaded.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#172 posted 08-29-2011 04:22 PM

Hey Don, how do you think I found out that some of the heads unscrew? Yes that’s right, beating the sucker with a mallet. Luckily I found out before I hit it too hard.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#173 posted 08-29-2011 04:58 PM

Hey Mauricio,

If you have the time I’d say walk the small italian section around 9th between Christian and washington. everyone in Philly makes a cheese stage but really I very much like a small hole in the wall place called Geroge's sandwich shop. I’d say go for the pulled pork with long hots.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#174 posted 08-29-2011 09:33 PM

Thanks Joe,

It seems that if you ask 10 people you get 10 different places. I went to ginos and pats last time mostly just to say I did also pats was my buddies favorite but I don’t think he has ever been there sober.

Well see if I can steer my work trip to 9th and christian, thanks for the map. Are there a lot of thrift stores there?

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#175 posted 08-29-2011 11:39 PM

Need2boat :
I think this is what you surch for and is a good place to start :-)
Mr Smalser is realy knowing his stuff when it comes to giving tools there life back
so they can become usefull again

http://www.wkfinetools.com/contrib/bSmalser/art/strSawBlade/strSawBlade1.asp

Dennis

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#176 posted 08-30-2011 02:21 AM

I’d say its square enough for framing.

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#177 posted 08-30-2011 03:49 AM

I’ve been following this thread and finally had a chance to snap a picture of some saws that were my grandfather’s. The cabinet saw is an Atkins, I have no Idea what the other’s are. If anybody recognizes please let me know. I can’t find any markings on the handles of the smaller saws and want to know if they are worth restoring. The Atkins may be worth the effort, however the handle was painted green for some reason.

The saw on the top actually has two cutting edges and can be easily flipped by using the wing nut on the handle.


-- Mike.... West Virginia. "Man is a tool using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.". T Carlyle

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#178 posted 08-30-2011 07:41 PM

Techredneck- That Atkins saw is a keeper. I would def take the time to clean that one up. You can strip and sand the paint off the handle and refinish it.

I don’t think the other 3 would be worth spending much time on. The bottom one looks like a newer box store back saw. The one on the top almost looks like it could be used for pruning.

That Akins though, thats a really good looking saw.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#179 posted 08-30-2011 08:19 PM

Joe. it was at a hodge podge style antique store. I don’t to a lot of ebay becasue I can’t paly before I buy. I have to wait longer for what I want as a result but it’s worth it.

My 28” saw seemed to clamp quite securley in it for jointing but when fileing I repositioned the blade during the cut once for stability sake. not bad at all since the cam clamp works so fast.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#180 posted 08-30-2011 09:02 PM

RD:

When I was looking to buy my vise I was so worried about it having a tight clamped I didn’t think about how long the clamping bar was. I figured they would all be about the same size but my disston vise is 10 or 11” which isn’t bad but I’ve seen much longer ones.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#181 posted 08-31-2011 04:27 AM

For efficiency sake a full length saw vise would be cool bu this works fine for a guy who is just maintaining their own tools.

I do have a questions for those in the room though. There are two holes tapped into the back of the vise that are in line with each other and have a wingnut in the back to tighten onto some bar the same way a modern plow plane holds onto the guide rods. With the bar gone it’s hard to tell what in the Sam hill are those for?

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#182 posted 08-31-2011 07:02 PM

Just got my mitre box saw sharpened. With a sharp saw this mitre box is an amazing tool..

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#183 posted 08-31-2011 08:20 PM

I have a co-worker that is planning to sell an old Radial Arm saw on CL. It was old when he got it several years ago and had a fried motor. He had the motor rewound and he tells me that it works great – but he has two RA saws. His price is more than I can pay, about $450-500. If anyone is interested, PM your email and contact info to me and I will pass it on to him so that he can contact you directly when he is going to sell. As a rule, he takes his tools very seriously and takes good care of them, he is an ASME certified auto mechanic as well as an IT person.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#184 posted 08-31-2011 08:58 PM

RD:

The thumbscrews held a bar that has a sliding jig to hold your file. 90% of the vises I’ve seen are missing all or part of it and from everything I’ve read it really didn’t work well. These are from one on ebay now. . . and I’m sure it will go for twice as much. I have this same model and paid 30.00 shipped.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#185 posted 08-31-2011 09:10 PM

I figured it was something along thos lines. Muscle memory is a pretty good jig in my experience…much more adaptable that way. Thanks for showing me that.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#186 posted 08-31-2011 09:25 PM

My goodness..this thread is amazing. the pictures of some of these tools is fantastic. thanks

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#187 posted 08-31-2011 11:12 PM

RG:

I think a jig is really helpful to remember the angle but having it fixed to the vise is really not going to work well. All that sliding of metal, to much friction

I find the wooden block on the end of the file works well and when I deal with the compound angle I first tried the wood block you sit on the teeth but found it’s just as easy to use a adjustable protractor on the bench.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#188 posted 09-06-2011 02:00 PM

The last few weekends with all the rain in my area I’ve been enjoying another love, white water kayaking. With all the talk on saws I don’t think anyone has posted about tills or places to store them. I’ve had this one started for a few weeks and just not finished.

you can see more about it under my projects but the design was all about fitting a spot in my small shop but I still tried to make it something nice to look at.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#189 posted 09-06-2011 02:53 PM

nice till.

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#190 posted 09-07-2011 03:45 PM

That is something I need to do. Really nice job.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#191 posted 09-10-2011 02:37 PM

Guys, I’m not sure how much its used but I did a hand plane reference blog a while ago. I’d likr to do the same for hand saws. If you post a site here, I’ll add it.

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#192 posted 09-10-2011 02:49 PM

I’ve officially joined. My Saw blade came out of the shock tank yesterday and is lying between two papers saturated with PB blaster. My original handle was reconstructed from jig-saw-puzzle-like disaster to something resembling a handle. Dry and damaged, I filled the cracks with CA and will soak it in BLO beginning today. The sawset is in the shock tank and I bought a bunch of tiny triangular files yesterday. I will post pictures later!

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#193 posted 09-10-2011 07:40 PM

It is now later.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#194 posted 09-10-2011 07:48 PM

NO !! .... :-)

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#195 posted 09-10-2011 09:16 PM

sPowerbrushed the blade with brass, then another coat of PB

Soak in BLO in the sun.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#196 posted 09-10-2011 10:18 PM

I did not need this. But I had to have it.

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#197 posted 09-10-2011 10:30 PM

^whoa! I would have to have it to. Full spine. Man!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#198 posted 09-11-2011 01:09 AM

RG, you need a big ol’ miter box to go with that!. Is that the way you got it. I understand the “I had to have it”!

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#199 posted 09-11-2011 01:27 AM

An oily rag to prevent rust is all I did on that one. I my have to make it fully shiny later. Still VERY sharp too. I see some big sliding dovetails in my future…I have to justify it somehow….right?

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#200 posted 09-11-2011 02:49 AM

I got my Disston sawset out of the shock tank, disassembled it, pb blasted it, and oiled it up. I hope I put it back together correctly; any help in its use appreciated.

Cleaned and oiled the blade and soaked the glued handle in the sun in BlO. getting there!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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