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Saws, using collecting, cleaning and buying

by Don W
posted 06-26-2011 01:17 AM


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#101 posted 07-13-2011 03:36 AM

Hey Andy,

thanks again. I’m going to figure out what I need and order some files. I figure once in hand I can match them local or at lease see if they have anything.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#102 posted 07-13-2011 03:46 AM

Lie Neilsen sells saw files fyi.

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#103 posted 07-14-2011 12:07 AM

Joey – I think I’ve got a saw problem too. Braces and saws are my favourite tools at the moment. I’ve got a lot of saw restoration work going on at the moment, but working away all week in Denmark has meant that progress has been slow. This week was different however because I made space in my suitcase for a beat up backsaw handle, some sandpaper and a couple of sets of files. I spent a few hours last night sanding and shaping the handle out on the balcony of my hotel room as I watched the sun setting below the horizon. Since I’m going to be here every week until February 2012, I think I’m going to have to get a bit creative to get my weekly woodworking fix.

I stopped in on Mads again last week and we talked for so long, that I missed the last train back and found myself standing on a deserted train platform at 2.20am in the morning. Thee was supposed to be a train, but the train company had other ideas. Luckily I managed to get a cab back to where I’m staying, although it cost me 620 Danish Krone (Ouch!!!!!)

Note to self – Don’t talk so much next time. Wouldn’t have missed it for the world though. Always nice to catch up with Mads.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#104 posted 07-14-2011 09:06 PM

you have to take care near Mads or the time will fly …..na doesn´t matter what you do
the time always two hours ahead of us in his company …................... LOL
you shuold have seen some of the stunts I need to take to catch my train to get the ferry
in time last time I was in CPH at Mads´s place

how far away from Mads is your hotel since it cost 620 Kr.
Dennis

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#105 posted 07-15-2011 12:17 AM

Dennis – Hellerup to Helsingor. As you well know, taxis are expensive in Denmark and then they add on tax for using a British credit card too, but they are also very good. Most of the time I’m not paying for it, so I don’t care. :-) Its a shame you don’t operate in the North Dennis. It would be hilarious if I phoned for a taxi and you turned up. Mind you I probably wouldn’t recognise you without your blue hat on.

Take care,

Andy

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#106 posted 07-15-2011 01:19 AM

LOL :-)

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#107 posted 08-07-2011 11:34 PM

I thought this was something different when I picked it up yesterday. For $3 I’m still happy. This is after cleanup and restore.



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#108 posted 08-07-2011 11:55 PM

You just can’t go wrong for 3 bucks Don. It would be rude not to give it a home! How long is it? Maybe its the perspective in the photo, but it looks about 30”.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#109 posted 08-08-2011 12:16 AM

It’s a disston D-23, 26 inch blade.

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#110 posted 08-08-2011 03:43 AM

My 23 is my favorite saw. The thinner plate is a treat.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#111 posted 08-10-2011 04:55 PM

If I didn’t already have 2 or 3 vises now, this one interesting.

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#112 posted 08-10-2011 11:15 PM

nice sawvice :-)

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#113 posted 08-12-2011 06:59 PM

Here is my entry. I bought it at a thrifts store for under $2 and just finished refurbishing it including a new handle from Mahogany scraps. Now I need to learn how to sharpen it.

Does anyone know what modle Disston this is?

Here is the before pic.

Here is my blog on the process. http://lumberjocks.com/mochoa/blog/24887

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#114 posted 08-12-2011 08:36 PM

Hey Mochoa,

These are to great sites for info on D saws

http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/

http://www.vintagesaws.com/front.html

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#115 posted 08-12-2011 08:44 PM

Since everyone seems to be having great finds. I’m posting with the hopes to be posting some good finds soon. I’m meeting up with a friend of a friend to look at some “old tools” they have from the parents. In my experience this can be anything from a beautiful old plane to a rusty old hammer. She sent me a picture of what looks like a nice old D-7 so I’ve got my fingers crossed.

Shes lives in Philly so disstonian saws are popular from back in the day.

fingers crossed

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#116 posted 08-12-2011 11:52 PM

Pulled this out of my “saws needing attention” box;

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#117 posted 08-15-2011 06:02 AM

So I found out over here that this was a jointer for saw filing. The question I have is how useful are they and how much should be spent to pick one up?

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#118 posted 08-15-2011 06:45 PM

Don,

I have the same style jointer. a few companies sold very similar designs. I bought mine about a month ago on ebay for around 15.00 shipped. Now knowing a bit more I’d say don’t bother unless you want the vintage tool. .

You can make (or may already have) the a jig that will work. Cut a slot that fits your mill file in a 2” X 2” 5in-ish piece of scrap hardwood. The file fits in the slot about a 1/2 inch or so and holds the file at 90 to the wood. The metal jointer were sold with a file and some have a tooth gauge as well really all they were used for was to hold the file. The jig I described is the same one I use for sharpening my scrapers so you may already have one.

I got the idea watching the lie nielsen vid on sharping on youtube

part 1

part 2

JFF

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#119 posted 08-15-2011 06:52 PM

Just to follow up my post earlier on my Saturday apt to look at some older tools. It was a bust for the most part. She had 7 older disston saws but everyone had really bad rust issues just at the tips. It was a real shame considering the rest looked to be in good shape.

I ended up buying them as the handles were all good as well as he screws which I find are often missing. I’ll post some pics of the handles.

Has anyone used old saw blades to make scrapers or other things? I hate to throw them all away.

JFF

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#120 posted 08-15-2011 10:53 PM

Need2boat – Won’t know if this is an option until you post pictures, but if the saws are only badly coroded at the tips, you can always cut them down to make smaller panel saws. For example, 26” down to 24” or 22”.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#121 posted 08-15-2011 11:16 PM

I thought about that Andy but considering these are not high value saws I didn’t think it was worth the work. I didn’t clean them but I’d say they look like D-7 or D-8 and maybe a D-23 or something like it. I didn’t think it was worth it. I started to pull the handles so I could start cleaning them.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#122 posted 08-16-2011 05:37 PM

OK no pictures. My shop is about an hour 1/2 from my apt and I thought I stuck them in my car but I guess I didn’t. I’ll post some later in the week.

I did however find this great trick for unsticking bolts. I’m guilty of cutting a slot in a few over the years so I look forward to giving this a go.

trick for unsticking bolts.

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#123 posted 08-16-2011 09:00 PM

That is freaking awesome. I will be doing that on a few of my saws. Thanks for the link.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#124 posted 08-17-2011 05:01 PM

That is a cool Idea !!!

-- Pat - Worker of Wood, Collector of Tools, Father of one

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#125 posted 08-23-2011 02:56 AM

So I’ve read on line a few places that when the saw is really out of joint its just easier to have them recut from a local shop. So just wondering when others are drawing the line.

I pulled one of the worst saws I had to practice on and it took me three rounds of sharping and jointing to even everything out. I’m hopping now that it’s in joint it shouldn’t take a long in the future?

What have others found.

I took this on the first pass with the first dozen or so sharpened.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#126 posted 08-23-2011 06:20 AM

It really depends how bad the saw is in the first place Joe. If the teeth are really bad, it can easily take 2 or 3 goes to get it anywhere near decent again. On the other hand, once you have shaped the teeth properly, you won’t have to do it again for a long time. You’ll just have to run the file over the teeth to joint them and go straight to the sharpening. Looking good though.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#127 posted 08-23-2011 06:57 PM

Thanks Andy,

Have you used a local sharpener service to recut teeth? if so have any advice on what to look for or ask before leaving your saw.

I’ll post pics when I get home but I have two older split nut saws that looked to have been hand filed some years ago and are really dull. One is 5 TPI and I feel I could get that back into joint. The other is a back saw and the teeth are so small I’m not sure even with time I’d get them jointed without a lot of work. I was thinking of having the saw teeth recut to something like 15tpi. I think once they are in good shape I could sharpen in the future fine.

JFF

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#128 posted 08-23-2011 07:05 PM

I’m not aware of any service in the UK that will recut teeth on a hand saw. I know there are some places in the US, but that is too cost prohibitive for me. I’d rather do it myself anyhow.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#129 posted 08-23-2011 07:10 PM

Well there’s a market for you.

I’ve been reading a little about the Max Manufacturing Burr retoother. It’s what Bad Ax tools uses looks to be quite small.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#130 posted 08-23-2011 07:37 PM

Do you know how many teeth per inch you want and if it is rip or crosscut and perferably what set you want?

Specify these, if they cannot do them you don’t want them doing the work. If you want them to just retooth then specify how many tpi and you sharpen and set accordingly.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#131 posted 08-24-2011 03:56 AM

Yes I want to recut the back saw is currently at 14 and I’d like to either keep it at that or cut it too. I was considering to file it rip but it’s currently cross-cut but it’s hard to tell. The last time it was sharpened I’m guessing is better them 20 years ago.

The saw is a Richardson Brothers Saw Works – Newark, N.J. that dates around the mid to late 1860’s blade is 12” X4”

The other saw I picked up is warranted superior. I couldn’t really find much about the Medallion on-line but I haven’t had the time to clean it. I have my split nut screwdriver here and I’m not sure I really want to fuss with it. It’s 26”, 5 tpi and filed rip. Has almost not set but still kind of shart

JFF

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#132 posted 08-24-2011 01:22 PM

Shouldn’t be a problem being retoothed, they both should clean up really nicely. May want to clean them up before you have the teeth done.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#133 posted 08-24-2011 10:43 PM

Yes, definitely clean the saw plates before getting them sharpened. Lovely saws by the way, particularly that back saw. The handle is to die for! I’ve never seen a handle that shape and with a double nib too. I thought the double nib was a feature only found on Disston back saws. Obviously not. Please post pictures once you’ve finished restoring them.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#134 posted 08-24-2011 11:13 PM

Hey where do you guys get good files for sharpening your saws? I bought a cheap one and it doesnt seem to be lasting very long.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#135 posted 08-24-2011 11:39 PM

OK. I’ll bite. Here are two back saws that I have restored that are posted here on LJ’s.

Disston No. 4 http://lumberjocks.com/projects/34203

J & H Henry Dovetail Saw http://lumberjocks.com/projects/32644

Unfortunately, I have about 15 other saws that I haven’t touched yet. Saw problem. I don’t have a saw problem. Naah! Not really. Weeellll. Maybe just a little bit. No. I need them. This saw makes different kinds of cuts than that other saw. Sure, that will work. Oh Honey. Did you hear that? Oh! Help Me!

Doc

-- Hey, woodworking ain't brain surgery. Just do something and keep trying till you get it. Doc

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#136 posted 08-25-2011 03:13 AM

I sent my wife to the shop to grab a saw the other day. She came back after a while with the correct saw in hand exclaiming “You have a lot of saws!” Note to self I love her and she is staring over my shoulder. See you later guys.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#137 posted 08-25-2011 03:14 AM

I found all the info at vintage saws to be very helpful so I thought it only fair to buy the files from him. His prices and shipping are about the same as any others. I’ve done about 3 saws and feel they have worked well.

Regardless whoever you get them thru. If your working with out of joint saws don’t think one file is going to last you a lifetime. Reshaping out of joint teeth can take it toll on the file.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#138 posted 08-25-2011 03:18 AM

Agreed. Files are a heavy wear item if you restore your own saws…or even sharpen them.

Got a really nice saw vise this weekend I’ll have to show pics soon.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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#139 posted 08-25-2011 03:22 AM

I do plan to clean up the saws before I sharpen them. I just don’t own a split nut screwdriver yet! ;-)

The last of the saws I got over last weekend was one I just loved the look and proportion of. It’s also a warranted superior saw that may have been cut down but I don’t think so. It’s just at 20” and 10TPI.

It does have some etching on the blade so hopefully I can get some info off it when I clean it.

Joe

-- Second Chance Saw Works http://www.secondchancesawworks.com Blog: Positive Rake http://www.positiverake.com

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#140 posted 08-25-2011 03:26 AM

Need2boat – Regarding a split-nut driver, why not make your own. Check this out.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#141 posted 08-25-2011 04:07 PM

In Tom Laws’ video, I think he states that files will do 2, maybe 3 saws. I use older files to do initial cleanup and a newer file for the finish sharpening.

Veritas, Highland Woodworking, Rockler, Peachtree, Woodcraft, Sears – all have trianglular and feather files to sharpen saw blades

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#142 posted 08-25-2011 04:14 PM

Or, one saw 3 times unitl you get it right. ;-)

I just sucessfully sharpend my first saw last night! Woohoo.

It took me a secound round of sharpening before I got it right. I think my mistake was not sharpening from both sides of the blade to balance it out so it was drifting off the line. I would lightly file the teeth on that side to get it cutting straight but then I didnt have enough set and the saw would bind. I did it right the secound time and now its cutting pretty good. My file is done though.

By the way. French ripping is a pretty good abs workout.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#143 posted 08-25-2011 04:21 PM

Does anybody have/like old Stanley Miter Saws?

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#144 posted 08-25-2011 05:04 PM

I used to have a Stanley miter box, my sister has it. Looking for another one to replace it – why do you ask?

My first try was about 4 times on one saw to straighten and sharpen, should have been retoothed.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#145 posted 08-25-2011 05:12 PM

RG stated a thread about getting rid of your electric miter saw. Don’t know if I’m ready for that but I think an old Stanley miter saw would be great for the shop as well as for the kids to get started in woodworking.

At the same time I’m wondering if using the old miter saw isn’t more practical for cutting crown molding inside the house. It would save a lot of walking outside to go use the powered saw.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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#146 posted 08-25-2011 05:29 PM

I’d like to pick up a Millers falls miter. I looked at a Stanley a while back, but it was to pricey for me.

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#147 posted 08-25-2011 05:32 PM

I gave my electric miter saw to my daughter. It did a pretty fair job at screwing up crown molding. The old Stanley with a sharpened backsaw was always clean and sharp—it was also a lot harder to cut off your thumb where the electric can do that job real fast.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#148 posted 08-25-2011 06:19 PM

I bought a used Ulmia 354 miter box with a few extra blades off CL and find it works great for small fine cuts but I don’t tend to make too many picture frames.

I thinking for many of the jobs I could use something like the battle ax hook set and will make something I can use with my back saw I just got.

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#149 posted 08-25-2011 06:58 PM

We have to stop meeting like this!

You LJ’s got me started collecting and restoring plans and I am now up to about 30. What are you trying to do, get me now started on hand saws?

-- Rustfever, Central California

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#150 posted 08-25-2011 06:59 PM

I have a Millers Falls Mitre Box that came with a 26in Disston Mitre Box Saw… The box is very well built almost all cast iron. It has adjustable stops on it and a holding block to cut crown molding. I had a friend who is experienced with sharpening saws take the saw and sharpen it for me. I actually am expecting it any day now. I cant wait to use it.

Ill post some pictures when I get the saw back.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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