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Ebay jackers

by Steven H
posted 06-11-2011 09:14 PM


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David Grimes

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#1 posted 06-11-2011 09:25 PM

Dang. $177 with shipping. I hope he didn’t have to pay sales tax.

FWIW, i have sold items that were barely used and readily available new for more than new price. Two things (maybe more) come into play at times.

Somebody gets all caught up in “winning” a popular item. Damn the torpedos… I want this !!!

Also, some people have their Paypal balance to spend and will pay new price for used or slightly more than new price for new just because its so convenient. I have actually done this before.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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marcfromny

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#2 posted 06-12-2011 04:23 PM

I’ve heard that sometimes international bidders will bid high or the actual retail price because it is cheaper than buying the tool new. I believe it has to do with international shipping costs of a used item compared to a new item. They have to claim the item used or something.

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bigike

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#3 posted 06-12-2011 05:07 PM

Yea I see this happen a lot too on the hand planes and lie nielsen tools and some other stuff too it sucks but what can you do?

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop, http://www.icombadaniels@yahoo.com

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Bertha

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#4 posted 06-12-2011 05:30 PM

23 bids? Final bid within reach of retail? Total silliness.
I bid $5000 on a Stanley #18 once. Serious.
There was a little bidding war at the end & I did it out of sheer frustration.
Dodged a bullet on that one.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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WayneC

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#5 posted 06-12-2011 05:31 PM

I bid what I think the item is worth to me and I only bid at the very end of the auction (inside the last minute).

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Bertha

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#6 posted 06-12-2011 05:35 PM

I’ve greatly overpaid before, Wayne. I’d a dude with a pretty substantial ego, admittedly. I’ve never resorted to any of the snipe systems but I’ve been in “peeing” contests before. Thankfully, I collect tools, not cars ;)

And stay away from my #8 frog, Wanye!!!! I need this frog desperately and have a ridiculous bid on it. The Seller refused a buy-now at $50. See what I’m talking about? $50 for a frog, strictly ego driving that;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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WayneC

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#7 posted 06-12-2011 05:38 PM

I’ve no need for a #8 frog or you would be toast (lol). I was sad to see that happen to you.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Bertha

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#8 posted 06-12-2011 05:52 PM

I wonder if we’ve ever battled, Wayne? I’ve bought maybe fifty planes on Ebay over the last 10 years. I bet you’re holding some of MY planes! ;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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matt garcia

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#9 posted 06-12-2011 05:56 PM

I have a $50.00 Porter Cable. Works just fine!!

-- Matt Garcia Wannabe Period Furniture Maker, Houston TX

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Steven H

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#10 posted 06-12-2011 06:05 PM

Everyone always bid in the end, but there’s always a sniping program someone is using. Thats why its over the retail price.

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Steven H

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#11 posted 06-12-2011 06:07 PM

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Bertha

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#12 posted 06-12-2011 06:09 PM

LOL Steven, I’ll pass;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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marcfromny

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#13 posted 06-12-2011 07:23 PM

sniping program or not,,you still have to enter your maximum bid (in a sniping program),, so a person can always outbid a sniping program. Right?? I mean if I bid $300 and the sniping person bids to $250,,he just cost me $250. Also,If you’re fine with your maximum bid, then it doesnt matter if you bid the first day or in the last 10 seconds. Either time you get outbid—THAT was the most you wanted to pay. Now if the seller bids on his own item and wins “by accident”—does he pay ebay for listing it?? And if he cancels payment then how many times can he get away with that?

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jusfine

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#14 posted 06-12-2011 07:39 PM

Al, you probably have some of MY planes…
Where`s the photo of your collection É

Hey what happened to my keyboard, I just tried to put a question mark and came up with É

How do I fix this now ÉÉÉ

Maybe a reboot ÉÉ

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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Bertha

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#15 posted 06-12-2011 07:45 PM

Just fine, did you just EEE me? A reboot will cure 99% of computer problems;) I’m due for an updated plane photo. Dennis tells me he’s sick of seeing this one;)

I’ve got more, of course.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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WayneC

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#16 posted 06-12-2011 07:49 PM

I’m thinking a photo of your planes in a custom cabinet… just sayin…. I only buy a few off ebay. Stuff I have a hard time finding or strange stuff. I really don’t worry about people jacking the price. I make the buy decision on what I am willing to pay. If I’m looking for extream deals, I got to flea markets, street sales, etc where the sellers are not well educated.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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CharlieM1958

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#17 posted 06-12-2011 07:50 PM

Marc, the only advantage of waiting till the end to bid is that occasionally you can “sneak up” on an item that no one has expressed much interest in.

Let’s say a particular plane is up for auction that you would be willing to pay $50 for. The opening bid is $10, and you put in your maximum bid of $50 on day one. Now some guy comes along and bids $15. Oops. Right away he is outbid because of your maximum bid. Now he bids $30, but it’s still not enough, so the guy starts to think this plane must be worth more than he thought. He keeps bidding until he finally outbids you. You don’t want to go over $50, so you lose the auction.

On the other hand, if this other guy bids first, he might have put in a maximum of $40, and your last minut max bid of $50 gets you the plane for just over $40.

It doesn’t always work that way, of course, but I think it’s best to always wait till the end to enter your max bid.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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marcfromny

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#18 posted 06-12-2011 08:52 PM

hi Charlie, I definately get it,,i always wait till the last 10 seconds myself. I just dont think sniping programs are what make the bids go up very high,,or sellers bidding themselves. Thats the only way I can stick to my maximum bid. Then when I lose I say ” I shoulda went up 10” . :)

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#19 posted 06-12-2011 09:27 PM

Al – Do I see a brace trying to hide amoungst the planes in the pic above??

Plane buying on ebay is truly hit or miss for me. Oh, okay. Mostly miss. But it’s a way to get stuff that otherwise I’d never come across, so…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Don W

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#20 posted 06-12-2011 10:45 PM

somebodies got to get those planes off that steel track!

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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jusfine

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#21 posted 06-12-2011 10:50 PM

Hey Al, quit misspelling my name or I will EEE you again…

I like your plane photo, I have mine in three different places and yours looks pretty impressive…

I will take my camera to the shop and see if I can gather mine together… jus’ for fun?

AML III, nothing stops you, but I don’t see the point of bidding on your own things, if you want a certain price, put a minimum bid on it… yes?

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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WayneC

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#22 posted 06-12-2011 10:51 PM

I also think the LN planes have a pretty good resale value….

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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CharlieM1958

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#23 posted 06-12-2011 11:03 PM

Marc: I agree that sniping programs don’t cause price run ups.

August: I often wonder about collusion in the bid process. It wouldn’t be hard for someone to put a plane up for auction, claim it was very rare, and then have a friend keep upping the bid.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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WayneC

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#24 posted 06-12-2011 11:07 PM

Pays to know about what your bidding for. For example, I see a bunch of “Great looking” machinest stuff, but I know nothing about it so I pass it bye.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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David Grimes

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#25 posted 06-12-2011 11:17 PM

jusfine, I think I know the problem. If that is a donkey on your pic, well… Eee aw Eee aw Eee always says that !

I just got a baby 101 at the last second. Had been bidding up with two others, so let up and came in at the 10 sec mark.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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jusfine

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#26 posted 06-13-2011 01:07 AM

Uh, David…no, it’s a horse. I laughed anyway :) What’s a baby 101?

Even though Al spells my name wrong, he was right, a reboot of the computer lets me now ? and so there should be no more donkey sounds from me.

Steven, I was going to address your question but the ?? got me off track. Not something like Festool which we can buy locally, but if a Lie Nielson plane approaches the retail price, it still may be worth me bidding on it as I would pay shipping either way, and I like to save $20 or $30 as much as the next guy. I have never been burned on Ebay over the years, but some items are not exactly as described

Al, as promised, here are a few photos of some of my planes (some Ebay sniped purchases), and a couple of LV thrown in for Canadian content…

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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jusfine

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#27 posted 06-13-2011 02:07 AM

Thanks! Not as many shoulders as I wish…

I just got started with one or two a few years ago, and just have picked them up when I see them come available. Some are Norris, Spiers, Thacker, Moseley, I’m not fussy, as long as they are a different size and shape than what I have.

My wife says they look like ducks.

I also like the metal shoulder and bullnose planes and use them more than the infill planes for finishing edges and fine details.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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WayneC

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#28 posted 06-13-2011 02:15 AM

There are some nice planes there. Looks like you have been collecting them for a while.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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David Grimes

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#29 posted 06-13-2011 02:26 AM

Jusfine,

The Stanley #101 block plane is only 3 1/2”L and 1”W. (A baby). I got a japanned one 1941 or older. The newer ones are red, then gray until 1962.

I really want a 101 1/2 bull nose version, but I can’t find one.

Almost got a #95 edge trimmer but stopped at $120 or so. I see where I could use that one a lot.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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jusfine

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#30 posted 06-13-2011 02:39 AM

August, the low angle is the Lee Valley (Veritas) bevel up 22” jointer. No photo problem, that’s the way it’s built.

I have a few wooden planes as well, they work fine, yours are a great start!

David, I will keep my eyes open for the bull nose plane, let you know if I find one.
Put up a photo of your 101 when you get a chance?

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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WayneC

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#31 posted 06-13-2011 02:52 AM

You can find a picture that shows here….

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=52515&cat=1,41182

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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WayneC

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#32 posted 06-13-2011 03:53 AM

It is for a fence.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=52414&cat=1,41182,52515

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Greedo

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#33 posted 06-13-2011 07:46 AM

sniping programs are there to get the product as cheap as possible, because all is done in the last seconds there is not time for anybody else to bid higher. it all depends on the seconds highest amount of the bidders playing. the highest bidder will get the thing for a little more than what the second highest bidder was prepared to offer. so to get a high price for your goods you need at least 2 very interested bidders, one of witch may or may not be a friend or yourself.
i know someone, a teacher actually, who does this and i have since stopped being interested in buying on ebay, except from professional sellers who sell with the “buy now” function for less than retail, can be interesting if you group stuff and only pay sending costs only once.

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jusfine

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#34 posted 06-13-2011 07:00 PM

August, sorry for not giving you the details on the plane (thanks Wayne).

Had a long distance phone call, another funeral coming up this next week.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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