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Are there full or fullish sets of vintage chisels? Looks like some Everlasts peeking at me…

In 5th pic of post 12378 across from black handled dt saw right of a 51 it looks like a preston but maybe im tweaking.

-- They just don't get my chub on.-Bertha on modern handplanes

Brandon, I think you mean post #20934, pic 4?

12,378 is Al’s post count, not the threads post count :P

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

^ You are tweaking….. there are only 4 pictures in post 12378 :D

edit: er… post #20934

-- ~Tony

Feel it out, boys. I haven’t had a chance to scrutinize them but there are hundreds more. I don’t want to flood the thread. Just getting a feel. Lots of interest (me) in anything Preston and some plough irons.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

Al how about a price on that wooden brace ??

-- when I am not on Lumberjocks I am on @ http://thisoldworkshop.com where we allow free speech

LOL Thanks guys,I kept having to scroll up and down,and I was all excited and thats all the excuses I can think of…...So only 3 demerit points.

Wait I thought of a couple more.Cooking dinner,forced to listen to spongebob,and working on an estimate all at once.

Oh and was that a clifton or preston? ;)

-- They just don't get my chub on.-Bertha on modern handplanes

Al,I am looking for a #6 And #7 Smooth bottom type 15s. I am also interested in any other hand tools that bear the sweetheart logo, even more interested if they’re still rocking a decal. I already have an extensive collection, but always adding if the price is right. Don’t have a scraper plane yet, been looking at those a lot lately…12, 12-1/4, 12-1/2, 112??

Don, You mentioned awhile back that you thought you might have either a 6 or 7 type 15, but couldn’t look cause you were on the road, just thought I’d inquire again.

-- Lucas, "Someday woodworks will be my real job, until then, there's this http://www.melbrownfarmsupply.com"

Luke, I do have a type 15 #7. And, I just picked up a (I think) type 15 #4 with the orange frog.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Oh, and look back on the weekend finds. I’ve got a nice #12 to.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Don – whats your take on the #80 vs #12. Performance, feel, chatter tendencies etc…

Obviously anyone and everyone jump in ans speak up. Ive had mixed results with the #80 some days it chattered on me some days angel hair shavings. Im not terrible happy with my sharpening of it either. No #12 to speak of.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

I haven’t even tried the 12 yet, but its seems like it would be a lot better than the 80. Its heavier (a lot heavier) and you can adjust the angle of the blade. I bought the 112 because I wasn’t impressed with the 80.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Im leaning that way myself on the 80. Thanks for your input. Any other #12 users out there?

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

Did it again…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Thats lookin tight. Your workmate deserves some pro mods. Like a QSWO top. That things seen more work than the girls of Heidi Fleiss (?).

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

Don
So…. question is, are they for sale and what’s it gonna cost me? I’m definitely interested in the #7 type 15, the 12 looks nice too, is it a sweetheart? At this point the sickness has taken over and I can’t bring myself to buy anything for my collection that doesn’t match. I know I’m crazy… I just don’t care

Shoot me a PM with what you’re thinkin’ price wise.

-- Lucas, "Someday woodworks will be my real job, until then, there's this http://www.melbrownfarmsupply.com"

Thanks Chris. I made another video of this one too. Turned out better than the first one. I switched it to auto focus once, so it doesn’t try to refocus and what not. Someday I’ll have to get either a camera that takes better video, or an actual video camera…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Ill check that out Mos.

New icon … “Shop Security”

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

Nice Mos. :) Your 45 definitely earns its keep.

-- ~Tony

Thanks Tony. I wouldn’t say it’s the most used, but it’s definitely well used :-)
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-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Stef,
I like the new avatar, how old and big is babystef now? My little guy is 2-1/2 months and weighs 15 pounds. 96th percentile baby! Everyone who asks how old he is responds with “Good God” or “Holy Crap” I’m not sure if I should be proud or ashamed, LOL

-- Lucas, "Someday woodworks will be my real job, until then, there's this http://www.melbrownfarmsupply.com"

Be proud Luke, you’ll have plenty of time for the other.

I love to see the 45 in action.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Lukie – hes 6 weeks today. Our scale roughly clocked him at 12 lbs ish. Kids got an italian appetite and a pollack head. Hopefully theyll be growin up sawdust covered together!

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

Don, yeah they say the hell you raised as a kid comes back to you ten-fold as a parent, If that’s the case I’m in for some very upset neighbors ,quite a few visits from the local Sheriff and and who knows what else…

Stef, Haha, I can relate to the Italian appetite thing. And unfortunately the Pollock thing too, good thing for him he’s been watered down to only 1/8th.

Mos, I also love seeing the 45 in action.

-- Lucas, "Someday woodworks will be my real job, until then, there's this http://www.melbrownfarmsupply.com"

I like your response Don lol
”Be proud Luke, you’ll have plenty of time for the other.”
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This isn’t going to be visible, and I plan on adding some corner braces to it, otherwise I would have cut them with a 1/2” cutter, and made a tenon on the other piece.

And I also put the #4 1/2 back together.

And this is the state of the japanning…

Going to have to fix that…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Congrats on the kids guys. Mine was on the other spectrum. he was below the charts. i think 17 months later he is on them now. ppl always thought he was 3-4 months younger than he was. He’s a smart little guy though and is now imitating everything i do. Have to be REAL careful what i do now. lol It’s a fun stage though. Taught him to say UH-oh when ever anyone passes gas. lol

Nice video Chris.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

Good price on that breakdown workbench. I wonder what it would cost to ship.
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I’m keeping track of the interest. PM is best so I go back and look. this thing moves to fast.
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I like the 80 scrapers all day long.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

Hey Mos, nice work with that 45! That, or the Sargent version, is VERY high on my want list…

...unfortunately, I blew my tool budget this past weekend after purchasing a Jet 1220VS lathe…couple of expanding jaw chucks, and 3 new Easy Wood Tools with carbide tips…

and you guys already know my first projects headed for the lathe…plane knobs! :)
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-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

I was rather surprised at the price too, Al. I was even looking at a road trip/vacation that would allow for swinging by there if I could… I’m curious, and may contact them about shipping, to see what it would be… Wouldn’t be bad to put it in the back of the car and drag it to the parents’... And it really can’t be any less stable than my current workmate… lol
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Thanks Terry… now that I’ve been getting good use out of my #45, I find myself wanting a #46 and/or #55…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Whats this folding bench you guys are talking about. I missed that. Mos your the #45 champion! Does that dado fit pretty snug? I looks like there is a little gap, is that the end of the cut?

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

Mauricio, these are the folding/portable benches that we’re talking about. It’s a company that Lucas had mentioned earlier that he saw while driving through: http://www.blumtool.com/pages/benchhorse2.htm

Edit I e-mailed them to see if they ship, and if they do, how much (I imagine the cost of shipping would likely be prohibitive)

The dado will hold the cross support with out any clamping, or fastening, but it’s not too snug. I face planed the cross brace piece, so that didn’t help any. I’ll have to look at it more when I get home, but I think the left side gap is from me using my chisel to make a cut to prevent tear out, which isn’t perpendicular to the face, and the right side might just be a gap from me not getting the #45 perpendicular. Disadvantage to a shorter height fence, perhaps, but I should have been checking for perpendicular more often (read, more than once)...

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

Well the sole’s prety flat now, put the 120 away and went to a slightly abused 80 grit belt..momentary brain fart on that..

fair bit of pitting ‘round the mouth..

interesting “repair ” to the top of the tote..

Frog’s paint held well, nothing but cleaning needed on that

BUT..

The face of froggie realy needs help..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

Mos those look pretty sweet. Which of the benches are you looking at?

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

I kind of like the Bench Pony. I think it’d be a good size for my apartment, and bringing to my parents’. I have a folding table I use to set things on in my apartment which is 2’x4’, and I feel that would be too large to work on in my apartment.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

huh, that looks cool. you could probably get one of those veritas bench pups to use as an end vise.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

Of topic but we talked about the limitatoins of small table saws the other day. PW had a great post on increasing the size of your table saw top. Check it out.
http://www.popularwoodworking.com/video/tricks-video/benchtop-saw-upgrade?et_mid=582765&rid=3362944

I may give this a try on my little saw.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

Thos Blum planes are pretty slick. I really like the smal block plane in rosewood

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

Mos, those torsion box designs are surprisingly strong. You could always build an undercarriage.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

What is a good hand plane and what is poor quality?
I have read many comments here but very few people, if any, explain why a given plane is of poor quality.

here is a comparison with pictures and explanations comparing a Stanley and an Anant on Steve Schuler’s blog :

http://literaryworkshop.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/what-makes-a-good-hand-plane-two-smoothers-go-head-to-head/

A nice blog in general.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

Mos, those torsion box designs are surprisingly strong. You could always build an undercarriage.

I watched the video he had posted, and when he was planing the bench looked fairly sturdy, so I’d probably just stick with the legs that came with it. Unless he were to offer just the top, at a reduced enough rate to make it worth it…
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Sylvain, are you asking us?

I think it’s essentially summed up by this one parenthetical comment in that blog:
”Note, too, that the yoke on the Anant is stamped, not cast, and so is less precisely made.”

I think essentially it comes down to who made them to sell based on quality, and who made them to sell based on price. If it’s not made to a high enough standard, it’s harder to get to work properly. Sure, in most cases, it can be made to operate with similar results as a higher quality plane, but is usually a matter of how much extra effort it takes to get those results.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

I don’t find a LN to perform ANY better than a T11 Stanley. I mean, they are much prettier. The all-bronze #4 is almost a work of art. They’re just for people who want thim to roll shortly out of the box. You can fettle a crummy plane into a good worker. For me only, boils down to the weight of the plane, the quality of the iron, the mate of the frog and its surface, and the meeting of the chipbreaker. All can be fettled except a crummy frog and light sole. I just like Stanleys.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

Mos
What I found interesting in this blog is that it someway, explains the effects on each setting of the lower precision on the various critical parts.
And so it tells you where you have to look to assess quality.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

^I agree Sylvain. See a stamped lateral adjuster, abort. See a chipbreaker all beat up where it meets the iron, abort. See a frog surface with bad machining, abort. You can fix most of this stuff but I don’t bother. To me, it’s like restoring a rusty Pinto. I think that’s why guys here love T11s so much. Sweethearts, too.
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Cliftons, now, are to be reckoned with, as are the Veritas planes. You can still buy a really nice modern plane. They just don’t get my chub on.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

Lots of entries throughout this thread and the web on what to look for re: quailty in hand planes, so I offer the following ‘top-box’ assessment.

The difference between a good hand plane and an inferior one can be summarized in one word: value. If you value your time in the shop, choose a tool that can take a setting and hold it over the long run. If you value your work, the plane’s iron needs to hold an edge and position throughout each session of work to take fine or aggressive shavings without chatter. If personal development is something you value, choose a tool that knows more than you do the first time you pick it up; one that, over time, is ready for you as your skillset grows, with capability to spare. Finally, if you value a connection to those who practiced the craft a century or more ago, choose a tool that will last a century or more and deliver results equally fine over time.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

Well put Smitty.

Edit: And… post #21,000 I need to think of something more epic…

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

My oh my, Don Yoda better watch out. Smitty Yoda is snapping at his heels.

Bhudda said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon and the truth.”

Smitty speaks the truth.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

hard to beat Smitty’s answer, but I will add from a value standpoint, it REALLY depends on the job at hand. The quality criteria will change from a smoother to a jack to a jointer and so on.

I honestly believe it takes a pretty poorly built plane that can’t be made to perform some task reasonably well. So as Smitty so eloquently stated, how do you value that time.

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Andy, that what we call the Yoda team work!

-- There is nothing like the sound of a well tuned hand plane. - http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com (timetestedtools at hotmail dot c0m)

Careful Smitty your philosophical showings might overshadow your woodworking prowess.

-- ~Tony

Thanks, Gents. Don’t know where that came from, but it clearly was time to put it out there. We ain’t had a manifesto in a while, right? :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive