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New combo Jointer/Planer and table saw dilemma - opinions please

by MarionSSS
posted 1191 days ago


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TopamaxSurvivor

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#1 posted 1191 days ago

The horror stories are a bit spooky, aren’t they. In complete and damaged tools off the factory floor scare me but I’m not buying anything for a while until I get what I have set up and running. Converting warehouse to shop;-))

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#2 posted 1191 days ago

Sounds like you’re basically talking about trading 2” of jointing/planing width for 1 more HP of tablesaw + potentially poor service on the j/p. You’re really the only one that can make that call, but it comes down to the stock you use/plan on using.

How much jointing have you needed to do on boards that were between 10” and 12”?

How much thick stock do you use on the TS? Do you use a lot of really hard species?

Is this your only planer, or do you have a ~13” lunchbox? I ask because for ME, 10” of planing width is too small. But that’s only me – I know my sweet spot for jointing is between 6” and 8” and my sweet spot for planing is between 10-15”, based on the stock I usually acquire.

Personally, I’d be a little wary of Laguna until their customer service track record really starts improving. You want to know they will take care of you if there’s something wrong and you’ve got a three-quarter-ton lemon sitting in your shop. Experience dictates Grizzly probably will.

Too bad Grizz doesn’t make a spiral cutter of their 10” J/P combo.

-- Optimists are usually disappointed. Pessimists are either right or pleasantly surprised. I tend to be a disappointed pessimist.

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#3 posted 1191 days ago

Is this a production shop work or hobby ? 6 weeks wait sucks, but if it is just hobby work, you can learn to or practice hand cut dovetails ;-))

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#4 posted 1191 days ago

Laguna has too many C S complaints for my taste – especially when there are so many other companies that continually get rave reviews – Lee Valley comes to mind even though they don’t sell what you are looking for, Sawstop, etc. For the tablesaw, it is hard to beat Grizzly price v. features, though you might see if you can find a similar offering from Shopfox – I understand they use the same manufacturer and just diff distribution chains. As to the JP – Jet ( which I have ) and Rikon both offer competing products you might want to check out. I like the Jet a lot, though it is more expensive than the Grizzly ( again they have the lock on dollars for quality ) and I see that Rikon has just come out with one, don’t know much about the features. If you are considering going to 10 inch, did you check the new Polar bear series J P – I haven’t seen it in person, but I think that it has an easier changeover because the fence stays on.

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#5 posted 1190 days ago

I generally agree with live4ever about assessing your needs and add the economics of buying an 8” jointer and 13” lunchbox planer for less than the combo unit. The widest piece I personally have planed thus far is 12” so I understand live4ever’s point about 10” being “too small” for planing capacity. My 2-cents…

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#6 posted 1190 days ago

For a purchase this big I would wait until good reviews about Laguna start to appear before taking a risk on them. Everyone knows that Grizzly customer service is great.

Btw – I’m happy to see someone else who likes and uses both Festool & Grizzly. Some have suggested that it’s odd that I like both – but I do.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#7 posted 1190 days ago

Wow, a lot of great responses. I’ll try to address each of the points you’ve all brought up.

Rich, I’m from Marion. I just jumped on board the Festool bandwagon – its superb dust control and systemic approach to its tools has restored my love for the woodworking. I started with the R0 125 and the CT 22 and after sanding with them for the first time, I was hooked. I bit pretty hard – I now have the Domino, TS 55, MFT/3, 55” & 106” guide rails and the OF 1010 should be here today. As far as Grizzly is concerned, I owned 8”x65” jointer for years and it was a great machine. When you need some heavy duty iron without a bunch of bells and whistles at a great price, Grizzly is awfully hard to beat. I know some of the Festool purists argue that a table saw is redundant if you own the TS 55 but it’s hard to knock the convenience of ripping hardwood on a decent table saw on a mobile base.

Here’s some background on my situation. I’m a hobbyist woodworker. My garage (22’ wide and 34’ deep) is my shop and is shared with my vehicles. I’ve had a mish mash of tools that I’ve built up over the years many of which were purchased more due to cost than quality. I did have a very nice (and large) Jet cabinet saw. It had the 52” extension table AND a 60” Excalibur (now Exaktor) sliding table. It was great for breaking down sheet goods and large stock but it absolutely dominated my garage. It was impossible to do any work in the garage without moving the vehicles out. By switching to tools that are more mobile I can work in the garage (it’s heated by the way) without moving the vehicles out.

For jointing and planing I had the previously mentioned Grizz 8” jointer and a Ryobi 10” lunch box planer. I wanted something beefier for planing but I did not want to use up any more space than my old jointer did. The combo J/P machines seemed to fit the bill. Initially, I was looking at the 10” machines but after further research, the spiral cutterheads really interested me. Unfortunately as live4ever mentioned, Grizzly doesn’t have a spiral cutter on their 10”. Looking at Laguna didn’t occur to me until I ran into the back order situation at Grizzly.

As far as the 10” vs 12” issue goes, initially I was perfectly fine with a 10” J/P. I didn’t think my purchasing manager would let me spend the $$ on the 12”. There have been a handful of times I wished a could have gone wider, but honestly 10” is fine. I have to admit as much I’d love to have the 12” capacity, horsing a 3/4 ton piece of equipment into my garage and on to a mobile base scares the snot out of me. The Laguna 10” at 436 lbs. looks a little more doable. That’s basically the same weight as my old jointer.

The Laguna looks like a really nice machine and by the way the $1973 delivered price was on a new machine, not a scratch and dent. I could go with this machine and wait for the Grizz hybrid – saving $400-$500 dollars wouldn’t bother my purchasing manager.

As far as wood I work in – I’m pretty vanilla. Oak, Walnut, Cherry – for tables up to 2” – 3” thick. Ummm – practicing handcut dovetails? I probably should but I’m kind of a “lazy” woodworker – why do it by hand when they make machines to do the work?

I also wanted to mention how well quality, well-kept machines keep their value. I sold that Grizzly 8” on Craigslist for $500 and my whole table saw setup for $1500 on Craigslist. That’s not a whole lot less than what I paid for them 15 years ago.

Again, as I new member of Lumberjocks, thanks for all your input – keep it coming.

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#8 posted 1190 days ago

Whoops! 750 lbs. is not 3/4 of ton more like just over 1/3 a ton.

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#9 posted 1190 days ago

Hehe, oops – my mistake. Still, being 1/3 of a ton doesn’t make those 750 lbs. any lighter. :)

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#10 posted 1190 days ago

From all the reviews I have seen about the extremely poor customer service, I would be VERY hard pressed to even give Laguna even a passing glance…

Have you looked into maybe the Jet JJP-12? Not the el cheapo bench top units, but the 12” floor model?

FWIW, I have had back orders from Grizzly in the past, and they were filled pretty fast. I guess it depends on how quick you want the order filled… It does seem though that Grizzly has had an awful lot of back orders lately…

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#11 posted 1190 days ago

If I were a saw maker, I would be keeping minimum inventory too with housing in the toliet and unempoyment and underemployment at 30-40%. There are 3 Dewalt 735s that have been on clearance at 2 Biue Boxes wthin 5 miles of my house since October. If they have been increasing backorders… don’t expect change in the near future.. expect more.

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#12 posted 1188 days ago

Hi Guys,
I just run into this forum when looking for reviews on drill presses for one of my customers. Seems like a great forum. My customer is torn between Delta and General international. Part of the problem is she also needs to do some metal work on it. This brings in variable speed. Any of you guys have any suggestions.

BTW, this is a good thread on jointer/planers. My two cents. In the world of combo machines the jointer/planer is a great way to go. I would say if you look at space savings and material handling the jointer planer can be quicker than stand alongs. You end up with a wider jointer that matches your planer. Now, if you add to that matching up, your resaw capacity on the band saw you get the perfect balance.

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#13 posted 1188 days ago

Having dealt with Luguna customer service & looking at the quality of machines my woodworking friends have from Luguna their equipment is on a level with General & Powermatic not Grizzly or Shop Fox (again Grizzly) I’me lined up to buy their dovetail cabinet saw & their 3 hp. cyclone. I think it’s the best product for the money out there.

On the subject of Grizzly cabinet saws. I have so far talked to several woodworkers who bought those saws and had problems with bearings, alignment & power shaft / arbor quality. This is from their mouths I have not personally had experience with Grizzly saws.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#14 posted 1188 days ago

Chances are griz will have the stuff in stock before that date if past experience is anything like i’ve seen before. The 1023 is a awesome saw for sure.

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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#15 posted 1188 days ago

Pop you say:
“Having dealt with Luguna customer service & looking at the quality of machines my woodworking friends have from Luguna their equipment is on a level with General & Powermatic not Grizzly or Shop Fox (again Grizzly)”

I think I would agree with you for the most part except for Laguna’s Platinum series of machinery. Compare Laguna’s Platinum Series Tablesaw Left-tilt w/ T-square Fence to the Grizzly G0691. It’s hard to tell strictly from the pictures and specs but they look virtually identical to me. The fences in particular look exactly the same. Both machines are made in China. Price diff – $300 more for the Laguna.

The J/P combo machines aren’t quite as identical but the 12” machines from both companies are very similar especially the new G0634XP to the 12” Platinum. Price diff – $1050. Again both made in China.

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#16 posted 1188 days ago

MarionSSS, I’m very impressed with the Platinum left tilt dovetail saw. Huge heavy innards. Their “T” square fence is one of the best designs I’ve seen. It’s grip on the rail and adjustments are great. I think there’s more than $300 difference in quality between the 2 machines. I tend to be a Luguna fan. I not exactly a Grizzly fan. I am however planning to buy a Shop Fox 12 in. disk / 6 X 48 in. belt sander. Remember however, that this type of machine is little more than a motor and has very few things to go wrong. My biggest problem with Grizzly is the add on shipping cost. The machine price is good but when you add their shipping charges their equipment is as high as Jet, Delta, Luguna etc.

To get a real idea of the Luguna Platinum saw get their DVD and look at the demo. You might change your mind.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#17 posted 1188 days ago

Pop says:
“My biggest problem with Grizzly is the add on shipping cost. The machine price is good but when you add their shipping charges their equipment is as high as Jet, Delta, Luguna etc.”

Do you have a local Laguna source? If you do, I would think taxes would almost equal the shipping cost. Did you go to Grizzly’s site and look at the shipping cost? For instance, the G0634XP 12” J/P with spiral cutter head is $2195 with $144 for freight for a total of $2339. Lift gate service is another $34 which brings the total to $2373. The price for the Platinum Series 12” Jointer/Planer w/ SCH $3245 before shipping and liftgate service is added. I just put the Laguna in a shopping cart and checked the shipping price – $600 “flat rate.” Now I was able to negotiate a lower price than the website lists but the total is still substantially higher than the Grizz.

As far as saws go, I was trying to compare apples to apples as close as possible. The saw you are talking about is $700 more than the G0691 before shipping is figured for either saw. Compare this:
http://www.lagunatools.com/tablesaws/tablesaw-platinumlt
to this:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3HP-220V-Cabinet-Table-Saw-with-Long-Rails-Riving-Knife/G0691

They look very, very similar. Look at the close up of the fence on the Grizzly – it looks identical to the one on the Laguna.

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#18 posted 1187 days ago

MarionSSS, you’re right that fence is very very similar. I don’t know why but I’m just not a grizzly fan. I am also a believer that if something cost $700 more there is a reason and think that reason is most likely quality. I just like what I see in Luguna products & their company. There is no way to decide preference those people who love Grizzly, Delta, Jet etc. love their brand and no amount of talk will change their minds I just happen to be a Luguna fan. I have noticed that there seems to be a large number of Grizzly fans in LJ. Who am I to say there wrong.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#19 posted 1187 days ago

The drama continues…..

At the urging of others I called Toolnut and got a price on the Jet JJP-12HH – got quoted a price that is within $300 of the Grizzly shipped. What do you all think of the two machines? I’ve heard good things about the Jet. Looks like the Jet wins out as far as ease of changeover but the Grizz is heavier (672 vs 500 pounds) with a 5 HP motor vs 3 HP on the Jet.

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#20 posted 1187 days ago

Call Grizzly and find out what is IN-STOCK. And then why not spend a bit more on a G0690 or G1023RL ?

I can tell you that that Triton fits well on MY Grizzly G0690 w/extension. 8-)

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#21 posted 1187 days ago

I have called and they have both in stock. I’d like to spring for heavier duty cabinet saw but if I do that and grab the Jet J/P HH I will have busted my budget pretty good.

Btw, did you drill out your router extension so you can use the crank on the Triton?

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#22 posted 1187 days ago

MarionSSS said: ”Btw, did you drill out your router extension so you can use the crank on the Triton?”

Yes I did. I did not own a big drill press, so I had to lug it over to a friends place and borrow his 15” floor model to drill the “crank” hole. I did, however, use my Drill Doctor to sharpen ALL my bits before doing this. 8-) BTW, marked everything out on the bottom of the extension with the Triton mounted before drilling, and I drilled from the bottom where the marks were. It took probably 10 bits as I stepped up through the sizes before getting this done. Well worth the trouble though.

My only post-dun-it recommendation would be to figure out how you want to run your router fence BEFORE you drill your hole. Best hole location for the hole is either 5 or 7pm as the clock goes with the fence at 12 o’clock. Any other position and the fence will interfere with crank adjustments.

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#23 posted 1187 days ago

By the way, I was having a disscussion the Pop about Laguna vs. Grizzly and the similarities between the G0690 and Laguna’s low end Platinum saw. Now compare the router tables and sliding tables between the two companies:
http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2011/Main/23
http://www.lagunatools.com/tablesaws/universal-sliding-table-system
http://www.lagunatools.com/tablesaws/router-table-attachment

The colors are different but these look an awful lot alike and the prices are almost the same. Also, I don’t dispute that Laguna’s higher end machines are higher quality than Grizzly’s but when it comes to the Laguna’s Platinum series I don’t think there’s much difference – it almost looks like they came from the same factory. One reason for the higher prices at Laguna is that they do pay sales commission to their sales personnel.

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#24 posted 1187 days ago

According to “Knotscott”, he had either spoken with the Pres of Grizzly or maybe an email, but the Grizzly Pres. basically said the Platinum and the G0690 came from the same factory and with the same parts. So yes they ARE the same TS, but Laguna charges +$400 more and has very poor CS.

Here. Read bottom of Knotscott’s post.

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#25 posted 1187 days ago

Good, then it isn’t just my imagination. Their J/P designs seem to be different so I’m not sure how apples to apples they are. Anyway, I’ve pretty much crossed Laguna off my list. Very tempted by the Jet J/P HH now. Gotta figure out which saw, too.

Carl_felderrep – too bad there isn’t a Felder in the $2000-$2500 price range.

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#26 posted 1187 days ago

It basically boils down to what you want in the saw and how much of a budget you have. I’m a fan of grizzly along with other major tool brands. I picked grizzly because of the price/performance/features. It was in my price range for what I “really” wanted. If I had more money i’d probably go for an older powermatic or something.

When I bought my 1023SL, this saw was priced higher at the time or I would have bought it.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-5-HP-220V-Cabinet-Left-Tilt-Tablesaw/G1023RLWX

Either way, just don’t buy the low end grizzly stuff, which the same applies to almost all other mfgs.

Good luck,

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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#27 posted 1186 days ago

Thanks for everyone’s input – ended up getting a great deal on the Jet 12” J/P HH from Toolnut – $2649 shipped including lift gate service. That was less than $300 than the Grizzly shipped. Still trying to make up my mind about the table saw.

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#28 posted 1185 days ago

Marionsss,
You will love having the Jointer/planer combo. I would try to get t saw with a riving knife and sliding table. After using a slider, I would never go back to a conventional saw.

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#29 posted 1185 days ago

Yes, I’m looking forward to using the Jet J/P HH. I finally ordered the Grizzly G1023RL today. I know what you mean about using a slider – I had the 60” Excalibur for many years but recently sold it. Took up too much room in my limited shop space. I’m going mobile with my big tools and picked up the Festool TS55 MFT/3 with a couple of guide rails to replace what I used to do on the slider.

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#30 posted 1181 days ago

Hi, Long time lurker and just joined and I am looking at the same things as MarionSSS. I have begun the conversion to Festool(rock’n) hand tools and I am looking at a planer/jointer combo or a big jointer and planer. I talked to a Laguna rep and he said that they are working hard to improve Customer Service when I asked him about the bad reviews on the net. Also the 10” and 12” combos are made in Taiwan, according to the rep. I don’t know about their other platinum stuff though. Personally, I will not buy Chinese made stuff if i can help it… It sure makes it hard in some areas. I don’t know where Griz stuff is made. Some is made in china and some is Taiwan but I don’t know from machine to machine.
I wish I had the $ for a true European made machine…or better yet an American made one (huh?). Ahh the gold old days of American Iron. Sniff
Does this help at all?
oh. A store near me marked down the Jet 12” combo to $1500…I told them I was going to sleep on it and it was gone the next day. D’oh! It gets worse…another marked down the $1000 shop fox 8” jointer to $599 and I slept on it again and the next day it was gone. double D’oh!

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#31 posted 1181 days ago

I’ll eventually put up post (gloat) about all my recent tool purchases but I’ve bought a fair amount new tools. Several Festool purchases augmented with the Grizzly 1023RL and the Jet 12” J/P HH – just took delivery on both of these today and will head to uncrate after write this.

I’ve owned a Jet Exacta cabinet saw and 8” Grizzly jointer before so had no issues with purchasing those brands again. The 1023RL crate says it’s made in Taiwan and the Jet label says made in China to Jet specifications. The Jet has a 5 year warranty – that’s a lot of peace of mind.

As stated earlier in this thread the Laguna Platinum TS = Grizzly G0690 and they are made in China. I read a post on Sawmill Creek that said the G0690 was the same saw as a Canadian Craftex saw.

I’ll try to give my impressions of these after I get them up and running.

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#32 posted 1181 days ago

By the way, this was on the side of the Jet crate:

I actually didn’t notice it when it was dropped off – just wanted those of you who might order from Jet to watch for this.

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#33 posted 1181 days ago

Congrats! The tipping indicator is a nice touch – hadn’t seen that before.

Looking forward to seeing some photos and hearing your impressions of the new machinery.

-- Optimists are usually disappointed. Pessimists are either right or pleasantly surprised. I tend to be a disappointed pessimist.

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#34 posted 1181 days ago

I like that red dot…or not red.

The laguna rep said they could knock off a couple hundred off of the cost and shipping is same as griz. I will have to think about it. And he again said the planer/jointer combos were made in Taiwan but designed in europe…really copies(licensed) of some euro stuff. I don’t know about the table saw…I not looking for one right now. I thought I saw that wood tec’s saw got good reviews from some mag a few years ago and was dirt cheap. It also looks like a griz/shop fox/laguna
by the way: ebay made me about $1200 for a bunch of old tools and junk that I don’t use anymore. The funniest part was selling used tools and getting more for them then I paid for them.

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#35 posted 1181 days ago

MarionSS,
Maybe you cropped this, or not. BUT nothing I see says that “Jet” put this on the shipping crate. Don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the skeptic in me says this is ripe for fraud. If the shipper puts this sticker on JUST PRIOR to delivery… you get my drift.

Regardless, I would call the displayed number and let THEM come up with either the date of shipment, delivery address, origin, or some other KNOWN piece of information. Just saying,... capitalism and profit maximization at work…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#36 posted 1181 days ago

HorizontalMike – not quite sure what you’re getting at. The picture (cropped) shows a 4×6 Uline device that detects whether or not the crate had been tipped. As I said a few posts up, I bought the Jet J/P HH from Toolnut. It was shipped direct from a Jet warehouse. I was simply letting people know about it and to check it before signing the shipment. Uline is a supplier of packaging supplies so the displayed number is just the 800 number for Uline that you would call to order supplies from them. I suppose the freight company could have placed that on the crate but then the crate looked fine and the J/P looked okay.

Here’s a photo of the Jet J/P HH and Grizzly G1023RL uncrated. I’ve finished putting a mobile base under the Jet – will do the mobile base for the saw tomorrow. The garage is a mess right now but eventually everything will tuck up against the back wall. I’ll try to put some other comments later – may start a new thread.

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#37 posted 1180 days ago

Looks sweet. I curious on the Jet machine’s performance. I bet it does a good job. Now you need to buy some rough cut wood and make some sawdust

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#38 posted 1180 days ago

With as much money as I’ve spent on revamping my woodworking setup the last few months, I better make a lot of sawdust or my “Purchasing Manager” won’t be very happy with me!

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#39 posted 1180 days ago

I here that. I just ordered 1000 bf of aspen(pop). 500 of white pine and lesser amounts of Ash,Oak, and birch.

Anyone know anything about the Rikon 12” jointer/planer? Where is it made and so on. It looks nice and simple. I like the out feed rollers for the planer part.
Wait… I just checked. it seems a bit light for it’s size when compared to others in it’s class. The Laguna 10” is over 50 lbs more.

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#40 posted 1180 days ago

Here is what I found on Jointer planer combos as far as country of origin is concerned and other basic stats

shipping,sales,specials not included

Griz 10” China, 41” long, 2.5 Hp, 13,000 cuts/min, Euro guard, 317lbs, $1050
Griz 12” Taiwan, 59.5” long, 5 Hp, 15102 cuts/min ,PorkChop guard, 672lbs, $1795/2295(spiral head)
Laguna 10” Taiwan, 42” long, 2 Hp, 14,400 cuts/min, Euro guard, 436 lbs $1650/1995 (spiral head)
Laguna 12” Tawain, 63”Long, 3Hp, 19,200 cuts/min, Euro guard, 760lbs….$2900/$3235 (spiral head)
Rikon 10” China, 40.5” long, 1.5 Hp, 14,400 cuts/min, Euro guard, 147 lbs $900
Rikon 12” China, 49” long, 3 Hp, 14,100 cuts/min, Euro guard, 392 lbs $1700
Jet (big) 12” Tawain, 55”long, 3 Hp, 16,500 cuts/min, Euro guard, 500 lbs, $1999/$2999(spiral head)
Hammer 12” Austria, 55” long, 4 Hp, lots of cuts/min,Euro guard, 660lbs, $3582
Felder hey if your looking for the best and have money to burn buy this one and look it up yourself.
Rojek 12” smaller one, Czech, 3.6hp, 50” long, 16,800 cuts/min, Euro guard, 534 lbs, $2500
Rojek 12” Czech, 59”, 5 hp, 16800 cuts/min, Euro gaurd, 569 lbs, $3100
Minimax 12” Italy?, 59” long, 4.8 Hp, ? cuts/min, PorkChop guard, 650lbs, , $4495
Other jointer/planer combos are either cheap light weights or hard to find. Check Robland, Martin, Sicar.

Other then these stats a person should take into account: ease of change over, customer service, warranty, Knife selection, power switch location/size, fit/finish, fence, and a ton of other stuff. I found that most of these machines had feature about them that I liked. Felder and minimax are awesome all around but to spendy, the 10” griz and rikon won me over on price but that was it, the jet change over was as slick as any, and I didn’t like the porkchop gaurd on any..but that is me. Laguna, Rojek and the 12” Griz seemed about in the middle on most things…not the best and not the worst.

I hope that people find this useful when doing searches on the internet of Jointer/planer combos or jointer planer combo review.

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#41 posted 1179 days ago

hey, MarionSSS, your jet has a different on/off button then in the pictures on line. Huh. After looking at everything I have it narrowed it down to 2 and the Jet is one of them… There just isn’t anything wrong with it and it’s local service is a huge advantage over many of the others.

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#42 posted 1179 days ago

elrond3737, you’re right the button is different but it’s the same as the machines that have been reviewed here at LJ. Here’s one of them:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1865
By “local service” do you mean you would buy it local. I ordered mine from Toolnut but there is a local Acme Tools that couldn’t match their price.


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