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help buying new table saw

by Jeff82780
posted 12-17-2010 04:06 AM


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#1 posted 12-17-2010 04:10 AM

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#2 posted 12-17-2010 05:23 AM

In my book, Jet and Grizzly are both viable choices (I have tools from both), but I would not touch anything with the Craftsman name on it due to a number of rotten experiences with Sears.

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Kevin

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#3 posted 12-17-2010 05:33 AM

I’ll agree with Jim, for that amount it’s gonna be real tough to beat.

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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#4 posted 12-17-2010 01:44 PM

The 22114 has a lesser fence than the Jet, but it does have cabinet mounted trunnions. Neither has a riving knife. I’d go with the Jet over the 22114, but both are slightly outdated compared to a few other offerings.

In that price range I’d also prefer either the Grizzly G0715P, Grizzly G0661, or possibly the Steel City 35990C with money left over for a possible fence upgrade.

If you can look past the nameplate at the saw itself, the Craftsman 22116 granite top hybrid made by Steel City’s Orion subsidiary has replaced the venerable 22124 (also by Orion), and is also a viable choice…cabinet mounted trunnions, riving knife, one piece cast arbor carriage, steel t-square Biese style fence, granite top, and goes on sale in the low $700’s if you’re patient.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#5 posted 12-18-2010 01:05 AM

the grizzly does sound sweet, but im skeptical ordering online. are they reputable? also it comes prewired to 220v. I would need to convert to 110v. Is that tough to do?

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#6 posted 12-18-2010 01:15 AM

Yes, I would say Grizzly is reputable. I have purchased machines as well as parts and accessories from them, and their customer service has always been top drawer.

On dual voltage motors in Grizzly tools, they provide detailed diagrams on making the switch. It is not difficult.

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#7 posted 12-18-2010 01:18 AM

I HAD the Craftsman…...the money would be better spent on Grizzly

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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#8 posted 12-18-2010 02:10 AM

Rewiring from 220v to 110v is clearly outlined inside the wire junction box of the motor, and is a matter of switching 3 or 4 wires. It’s literally a 5-10 minute job, including the initial hesitation and head scratching.

Buying online isn’t for everyone, but there are some real savings for those willing to be their own middle man. If you’d rather pay for dealer support, the Jet might be a better choice for you. No shame either way…do what suits you best.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#9 posted 12-18-2010 02:28 AM

there are a number of reviews of the Grizzly polar bear hybrid on here. Check them out, there is one on the front page right now and the rest can be found from there. In my opinion it will probably be your best bet.

Putting in a 220V circuit takes not much longer than what it would take it rewire the motor so that is what i did.

-- -Alexei

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Kevin

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#10 posted 12-18-2010 08:45 AM

I second the electrician if you are not familiar at all. It states in the manual what size amp to get for the saw to run on. Myself, I’d rather run it on 220 verses 110 any day. Of course I do have mine on a dedicated circuit with the proper amperage and such along with the rest of my garage. Like someone said, switching the wires isn’t hard, but don’t go messing with it if you’ve not done it before.

I have bought from grizzly 6-8 times and it’s all been good. However i’ve been buying online since 97 so it’s nothing for me.

I firmly believe your best bet is the Grizzly.

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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Jeff82780

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#11 posted 12-18-2010 03:26 PM

if i call an electrician, all i tell him is that i want a 220v receptacle in the garage? Any idea how much this would cost? my buget is tight, but i can spare an extra 100 or 2.

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#12 posted 12-18-2010 03:58 PM

An extra 220V circut will depend on a lot of variables. Where is the main panel located? Is there enough room in the panel to add another 220V circuit? What size, 20A, 30A, etc? The bigger the circuit the more it will cost in materials, breaker and wire increase in price with size. If the panel is close to where you want to place the outlet I would expect in the $150-$200 range for materials and labor. I would go bigger on the circuit if it were me. Meaning if the saw calls for 20A, install 30A. this will give you the flexability of using larger tools in the future. If that is not what you want to do have the electrician pull and extra cable for another larger outlet down the road and leave it in a box in the wall for later use.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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#13 posted 12-21-2010 06:25 AM

well, i just bought the grizzly hybrid 10” table saw model GO715P today. Hopefully it comes in soon.They said 3-4 buisness days. How tough are they too assemble? Also, i was wondering if it will be delivered by package truck or semi? I live in a resedential area and dont know if a semi is technically allowed on our streets? Guess I’ll find out.

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Kevin

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#14 posted 12-21-2010 03:27 PM

It will come by semi. The company should call you prior to delivering it so they can make arrangements. I just bought my jointer on a wednesday and 2 days later it was at the dispatch location waiting to be delivered to me.

I believe you do have the option of going to the dispatch location and picking the shipment up instead of waiting for them to deliver. If you have a pretty strong person to help you, the both of you can just put it in the bed of a truck.

I bought the 1023SL about 1.5 years ago and it took me about 2 hours to assemble it by myself. Get some mineral spirits so you can clean the grease off the table. It’s easier if you have two people to assemble it.

Also when receiving the package (which should come in two packages I think) make sure you note on the drivers slip any damages to the outside boxes. I’ve been lucky so far and no damages to the boxes. This is so that Grizzly knows about any damage in case you need to call them to replace anything.

You should be quite happy once you get everything calibrated and setup on that saw.

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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#15 posted 12-21-2010 08:34 PM

For that amount of money you should be able to pick up a good used Unisaw or Powermatic (or a clone) on ebay or Craig’s List. I live in the LA area and I picked up a 3 hp Unisaw with a 54” Biesemeyer fence for $250. Just be patient and keep looking. And go with the 220v.

-- Bob Clark, Tool Collector and Sawdust Maker

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#16 posted 12-22-2010 03:02 AM

Bob, that’s an incredible deal…I’d expect to find something wrong with it for that price. Jeff, as far as the wiring, everyone else is right. Just call up some electricians and ask them to give you an estimate. Some places will try to charge you for the estimate, if they ask for money just to give you a price then call someone else. The saw will tell you what it needs in the manual. As far as what to tell the electrician, I think all he’ll want to know is how many amps and what type of receptacle. You can always rewire to 110v, but if you bite the bullet and get 220v installed, then you don’t have to worry about it for future tool purchases such as a DC, planer, or big compressor. I installed two 220v circuits in my garage for my TS and compressor and have a short heavy gauge 220v extension cord that I can use if I needed to use one of them for something else. I think the materials (wire, breakers, receptacles and conduit) for both circuits was about $100.

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#17 posted 12-22-2010 04:18 AM

I almost bought the G0715P myself but at the time i was shopping saws there weren’t any reviews on the saw so i bought the G0690 instead. The transaction was flawless and i recieved the saw in 4 days, i put it together by myself in a few hours and have been very impressed with it. I think youll really like the G0715P.
Adding a 220volt outlet wasnt really a big hassle but i have a background in electrical/HVAC.
Some of the freight companies hire subcontractors with smaller trucks/moving vans for residential pickups and deliveries. If they agreed to deliver to your address it shouldnt be a problem.
Congrats on the new saw, i hope you enjoy it.

-- Woodworkers theory of relativity - the quality of your scrap is relative to your skill level

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