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*Voting now open: Summer Swap 2018 Preliminary Talks

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#1 posted 04-17-2018 05:12 PM

Timeline looks pretty good to me Pooh!

Personally, I like the idea of a mallet/hammer swap. Measuring/layout tools are always a good option IMHO because they are so useful and it invites a wide array of entries. I think both topics lend themselves well to people of all skill levels and turners, hand-tool workers and electron eaters alike.

There’s my $.02!

Or beer. I definitely wouldn’t skip a beer swap. ;-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#2 posted 04-17-2018 05:42 PM

I’ll probably end up sitting this one out, but the timeline sounds ok to me.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#3 posted 04-17-2018 08:13 PM

I like the idea of a Hammer/Mallet (especially since i just destroyed mine…) or a Bowl swap.

Both have many options for construction and level of challenge. Bowls can be made on the band saw, lathe, carving and I have even seen one done on a table saw (although I wouldn’t try it). Same for the mallet/hammer.

just my thoughts.

-- Gary, Texas

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#4 posted 04-17-2018 09:23 PM

I planned on sitting out the next swap, but your timeline is making it tempting!

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#5 posted 04-17-2018 09:26 PM



I planned on sitting out the next swap, but your timeline is making it tempting!

- jeffswildwood

Retired people don’t have that option Jeff. Just sayin!

I’ll chime in on my suggestions later, I’m still thinking about what I would like to see as the theme. I’m hoping a lot of people chime in on this thread.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#6 posted 04-17-2018 10:00 PM

I would be interested in a lathe swap, though I know that not everyone has a lathe. So perhaps to be a bit more generic something that could be made on a lathe. That might also allow the hand tool aficionados to participate.
That would include hand hewn bowls, hand carved pens, beer mugs. It could also include turned mallets and hammers and even screwdrivers. Perhaps a little too generic but sort of like a themed surprise swap?

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#7 posted 04-17-2018 11:22 PM



I would be interested in a lathe swap, though I know that not everyone has a lathe. So perhaps to be a bit more generic something that could be made on a lathe. That might also allow the hand tool aficionados to participate.
That would include hand hewn bowls, hand carved pens, beer mugs. It could also include turned mallets and hammers and even screwdrivers. Perhaps a little too generic but sort of like a themed surprise swap?

- Lazyman


Sounds like your describing a surprise swap. Make what you want with what you want!

Retired people don t have that option Jeff. Just sayin!
- KelleyCrafts


True Dave, but I also have a craft fair to get ready for. Not to mention all the yards I cut, if it ever quits snowing. :-)

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#8 posted 04-18-2018 12:25 AM

I was planning on sitting it out, but Neil’s timeline tempts me. No lathe either, but a bowl (I’d almost certainly make a kuksa) might convince me to make time. I’d have to handle up another carving knife, but I should do that anyhow…

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#9 posted 04-18-2018 04:31 AM

I like the measuring and marking option.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#10 posted 04-18-2018 12:13 PM

Hi all, just a thought. How about band saw boxes? I have made almost two in my life. One about ten years ago and one about to finish now. The first one looked better than the current one. Most folks have a band saw. As I can attest to you don,t have to be a mental heavy weight to plan one. To me it is a skill builder. The material can be very cheap and the design can be a very big imagination. Try it you might like it.

-- I,ve had amnesia for as long as I can remember. Vernon

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#11 posted 04-18-2018 12:55 PM

Bandsaw boxes are fun projects Vernon. And I like making them for people. I don’t think I’d be interested in swapping them with woodworkers though… Not really a shop fixture and honestly, while I like making them as gifts, I have no real desire to own one…

Ditto on the bowls. Actually, I don’t really even like making those…

Don’t get me wrong, if that’s what folks want to swap, y’all go for it! Personally, I’d kinda like to see us go back to a TOOL swap on this one. That’s just my opinion… which is the right one ;-P

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#12 posted 04-18-2018 01:00 PM

Dave I know you are just dying to try this!

-- Gary, Texas

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#13 posted 04-18-2018 01:54 PM

I do plan to build a treadle lathe, Gary. Might be bungee-cords from the garage ceiling instead of a spring-pole, or might be a repurposed sewing machine. But not this year. Gotta get my post drill set up first.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#14 posted 04-18-2018 03:34 PM

Mallets and marking/measuring tools are both on my list of things to someday build, so either of those would get me moving on actually doing it. I don’t have a lathe or a bandsaw, so I’ve have to be out on either of those (a treadle lathe is on my to-do list, but I need to finish my bench first).

-- Elroy

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#15 posted 04-18-2018 08:13 PM

I’ve made mallets as bonus items. Might be fun to make one as the primary swap item! That way instead of KISS (keep it simple) I could go all out!

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#16 posted 04-19-2018 12:59 AM

Now that we’re almost wrapping up the box swap, I’d say either tighten up the timeline a little, or be tough on the progress pictures. I probably cut people too much slack, but you’ll have some people shipping as soon as you send out addresses because they’ll have their project built a couple days after the theme is announced. And if you have some people who don’t start until it’s progress picture time, it’ll cause you headaches toward the end. Just my two cents.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#17 posted 04-19-2018 01:34 AM

Dave – Thanks for running the box swap. I enjoyed it immensely, especially the forum posts as the build was ongoing. I realize this isn’t really the correct place to say thanks (the Box Swap forum is and I will say it there too) but I’m going somewhere with this, so bear with me a minute.

While the swap runner is there to keep things from going off the rails I don’t really think it is their responsibility to have to be the bad guy on progress and deadlines. We are all adults and should be responsible enough to know if we can or can’t accomplish the necessary work for the swap. We also need to be honest enough to admit when we can’t get it done, sooner, not later and be forthright enough to say so in a timely manner. I would suggest to anyone thinking of participating that they take their obligation seriously and give it due consideration before signing up.

I’m not nearly as concerned about the quality or intricacy of the build. We all have differing skill levels and abilities. That is part of the build, to try something new and showcase your abilities. What should not be part of the build is wondering if others will or won’t meet their obligation. I can’t see how the swap coordinator can enforce the time obligation. That is the participants’ responsibility.

I’ll get off the soap box now.

I like the idea of a mantle clock swap???

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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#18 posted 04-19-2018 02:31 AM

With all the talk of clocks and bowls and boxes, I wonder if we haven’t come to a point where swaps need to split… Personally, I love to design and make tools. That’s why swaps appeal to me. On the other hand, boxes and bowls are just things I do when someone else wants them. They aren’t fun for me per se. But I respect that they are for others. So maybe tool swaps need to be tool swaps but maybe someone else should take up the reins and put together a separate swap with boxes ir clocks or whatever. Something for everyone that way. And if you want to do both, and have the time, do both!

Just a thought…

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#19 posted 04-19-2018 11:06 AM



Now that we’re almost wrapping up the box swap, I’d say either tighten up the timeline a little, or be tough on the progress pictures. I probably cut people too much slack, but you’ll have some people shipping as soon as you send out addresses because they’ll have their project built a couple days after the theme is announced. And if you have some people who don’t start until it’s progress picture time, it’ll cause you headaches toward the end. Just my two cents.

- Dave Polaschek

I think the issues you’re seeing are largely a result of there being more newbs than vets in that swap. It’s great that we’re getting new blood for these things but there are bound to be some growing pains…


...While the swap runner is there to keep things from going off the rails I don t really think it is their responsibility to have to be the bad guy on progress and deadlines. We are all adults and should be responsible enough to know if we can or can t accomplish the necessary work for the swap. ...

- EarlS

Well said Earl.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#20 posted 04-19-2018 11:15 AM

I don’t want to derail the talk of the new swap too much further, but I did want Pooh to be sure to stick to the progress picture requirement. And part of why I said that the timeline might need tightening up was selfish. I have to sit out the next swap because I won’t be able to do as good of a job as I’d like with the time I have, and I don’t want to have to wait until October for the next swap to fire up. So maybe Kenny’s idea of having two swaps running at once makes some sense (that’s twice in two days I’ve said that Kenny’s making sense. I hope this doesn’t mean I’m coming down with dementia or something).

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#21 posted 04-19-2018 11:59 AM

I think I’d like to get involved with a tool swap, sounds fun!

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#22 posted 04-19-2018 12:18 PM



... (that’s twice in two days I’ve said that Kenny s making sense. I hope this doesn’t mean I’m coming down with dementia or something).

- Dave Polaschek

Oh, that means dementia is in the rearview buddy. Sorry.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#23 posted 04-19-2018 12:27 PM

I would enjoy a tool swap more, been waiting for one to come up. I have not made a bandsaw box yet, hmm maybe a tool inside a bandsaw box and turning could be on the tool.

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#24 posted 04-19-2018 12:35 PM

So it sounds like there is overwhelming support to make this swap more tool oriented. I will get together a survey today or tomorrow to see if we want to break it up into subsets like layout tools, cutting, mallets or do we just want a broad theme that can leave it up to the makers own discretion.

-- Neil, Indiana - Instagram: neilsalomon

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#25 posted 04-19-2018 12:38 PM

We’ve done a couple “surprise” swaps recently that was just make any tool you want. I vote for something a little more structured this time around but I’d be on board with another surprise swap if that’s what people want.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#26 posted 04-19-2018 12:45 PM

I think some structure would be great, at least narrow down a category if not a specific tool
I’d vote marking gauges, which could include panel, mortise, dovetail etc gauges. You can always use another of those

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#27 posted 04-19-2018 12:52 PM

Hammers/Mallets if we are doing tools. That’s my say.

-- Gary, Texas

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#28 posted 04-19-2018 01:10 PM

I guess after a box swap, knife swap and beer swap it may be time to go back to a tool (of some kind) swap. However, I probably won’t vote as I can’t get in the next one.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#29 posted 04-19-2018 01:19 PM

I love tools of all kinds and do make some of the stuff I use. Usually what I make is something for a very special use and ugly as hell. I could not see myself letting you guys see them. But again I also use home made jigs a lot. Are those tools? My jigs do sometimes look better than my other stuff. Jigs, just saying?

-- I,ve had amnesia for as long as I can remember. Vernon

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#30 posted 04-19-2018 01:27 PM

Vernon, it can’t be uglier then this one I made. :-)

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#31 posted 04-19-2018 01:33 PM

Woah, mantle clock swap sounds like tons of fun!!

-- Pete

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#32 posted 04-19-2018 01:53 PM

I looked back and there have been a LOT of different swaps! Maybe this will give inspiration to revisit one or come up with something totally new! Pipe swap, Marking and layout swap, Dovetail themed swap, Saw swap, Plane swap, Shop art swap, Screwdriver swap, Surprise swap 1 and 2, Box swap 1 and 2, Pen turning swap (This one was different), Beer swap, Knife swap, Marking knife swap, Mallet swap, And maybe some I didn’t see!

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#33 posted 04-19-2018 02:45 PM



I love tools of all kinds and do make some of the stuff I use. Usually what I make is something for a very special use and ugly as hell. I could not see myself letting you guys see them. But again I also use home made jigs a lot. Are those tools? My jigs do sometimes look better than my other stuff. Jigs, just saying?

- poospleasures

I have tools I have made Vernon that I wouldn’t be proud of how they look. However, when you know it’s for a swap and you know you’re sending it off and it will be posted on a fine establishment like this one. You make it pretty. :)

I’ve seen your work first hand, it’s amazing. I wouldn’t worry much about what you’re sending out on any swap.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#34 posted 04-19-2018 02:55 PM

True, tools don’t have to be pretty but they can be. We probably go the extra mile when they’re for someone else more than we do on our own.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#35 posted 04-19-2018 02:57 PM

Yeah it’s different when you know it’s going to be shown off, you tend to dress it up to a higher level

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#36 posted 04-19-2018 02:57 PM

I agree that jigs can be considered tools. I guess the problem with a “jig” swap is that it’s hard to think of a jig that would be useful to everyone and that will work with all tools…

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#37 posted 04-19-2018 03:37 PM

The key to ANY swap is to make sure you make something you are genuinely proud to pass on. During reveal, everyone will know what you made and your name will be on it. Don’t be embarrassed!!

With that said, nobody look at anything I’ve submitted for any previous swap, I plan to follow what I said in the future swaps if I join them. ;)

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#38 posted 04-19-2018 04:21 PM

I always had in my mind that this is going to another wood worker. Enough said.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#39 posted 04-19-2018 05:38 PM

A couple of suggestions I have thought of to add to the list:

Plane swap (it’s been done but it’s crazy fun)
Drawknife or similar shaping tool swap?

I’m also game for the layout/marking tool swap and potentially mallets/hammers although those usually get put in as bonus type items because they are generally quick and easy. I also don’t think I can top the Thor hammer Kenny owns now. ;)

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#40 posted 04-19-2018 06:02 PM

Drawknives/spokeshaves/scrapers would be a fun theme. Not sure if scrapers fit in or not but I always kind of lump them in with spokeshaves… But drawknives/spokeshaves would be interesting and challenging. Planes would be fun too.

And while I like the idea of a hammer/mallet swap, I doubt that anything I could make or receive could be as nice as my two favorites:

My Thor mallet from Dave and my Beer mallet from Jeff :-)))

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#41 posted 04-19-2018 06:11 PM

BTW, when this swap wraps up in early August, I think I’ll launch the 2nd Annual LJs Beer Swap :-)) So y’all bear that in mind and maybe you can work on both projects in parallel.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#42 posted 04-19-2018 06:17 PM



BTW, when this swap wraps up in early August, I think I ll launch the 2nd Annual LJs Beer Swap :-)) So y all bear that in mind and maybe you can work on both projects in parallel.

- HokieKen


Yes! I was thinking about asking when yall might do another, I’ll definitely be in that one

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#43 posted 04-19-2018 06:29 PM


BTW, when this swap wraps up in early August, I think I ll launch the 2nd Annual LJs Beer Swap :-)) So y all bear that in mind and maybe you can work on both projects in parallel.

- HokieKen

Yes! I was thinking about asking when yall might do another, I ll definitely be in that one

- GrantA

Last years was too much fun not to do another one. I’ll organize one annually as long as there’s interest.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#44 posted 04-19-2018 06:51 PM

My Thor mallet from Dave and my Beer mallet from Jeff :-)))

- HokieKen


I hope it opens many a brew! :-)) A battle mallet and a bottle mallet. Quite a set!

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#45 posted 04-20-2018 01:02 PM

This may be unpopular to say but I am going to just throw it out there. I for one think we give way too much time to do these projects. I do not see any reason why a swap needs to be 2-3 months…

I know we all have lives but I think giving such a large window allows people to procrastinate (I am one) and a tighter window would keep the ball rolling.

Just my .02 cents.

-- Gary, Texas

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#46 posted 04-20-2018 01:33 PM

Gary, it depends on the swap and the person. Examples- In the box swap I was able to move rather quickly as they are my favorite and I don’t have trouble with boxes. I was done quickly where others may need more time. Now the screwdriver swap I needed the whole time to finish and really struggled and others just breezed through. A mallet swap, one week and I’ll be done (taking my time) but a saw or plane swap, I may need that time and more. The swap, skill level and available tools can really play a part in these swaps.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#47 posted 04-20-2018 02:24 PM



This may be unpopular to say but I am going to just throw it out there. I for one think we give way too much time to do these projects. I do not see any reason why a swap needs to be 2-3 months…

I know we all have lives but I think giving such a large window allows people to procrastinate (I am one) and a tighter window would keep the ball rolling.

Just my .02 cents.

- doubleG469

I definitely see your point. But for me, swap projects are side projects for when I have time. They don’t usually rank as a main project. While I could get it done in a much shorter period, I’d be less likely to participate. The extra time lets me work on it a few minutes here and an hour there. Keeps it fun and relaxing for me.

Just my opinion. Which is the right one. ;-P

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#48 posted 04-20-2018 04:36 PM

For me, I need the time, but mostly because I try things in swaps that I’ve never tried before. But I agree with Gary that a shorter time is going to cut down on the procrastination factor at the beginning. For me it might mean dropping out at progress picture time if I don’t have my prototype sorted out yet. But then I’m still a relative newbie. First mortise I chopped was October 2016.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#49 posted 04-20-2018 06:28 PM

I could go in on a swap for a shop item. I like things I make to be used. There’s a lot of possibles in this.

Maybe we could hint at what we could use? I don’t want to build a turning tool for a guy without a lathe. All it would take is a little description of what you do , when you sign up. For example, if you’re a handtool guy, say that.

I can see that this could be a logistic nightmare, I don’t know what is involved. It’s still just a brainstorm now. I would want to know all the parameters before signing up.

-- My reality check bounced...

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#50 posted 04-20-2018 07:35 PM

Hairy,

The theme will be such that we all know what we’re getting into. If we do a lathe tool swap, then people without a lathe probably won’t join… But you won’t know who you have until after progress pics are due. So it wouldn’t do any good to know if people have a lathe or not because you have to start your build before you know who you’re shipping to. We have done surprise swaps. There is some risk involved there with people getting stuff they can’t or won’t use. But I don’t ever recall that being a problem in either one of the surprise swaps we did.

Just hang in there until Pooh gets the official swap thread going with the theme and the rules. Then I think it’ll all be clear ;-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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