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Rough Cut

by richgreer
posted 10-16-2010 08:10 PM

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#1 posted 10-16-2010 08:55 PM

really i have been looking for this show on my tv and didnt find it yet. i have cox cable. ill have to check again.

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#2 posted 10-16-2010 09:11 PM

I am really irritated. I have 3 local PBS channels and not one of them carries Rough Cut. Ahh well, I still have “This Old House”.

-- I started working with wood because of the biscuits.

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#3 posted 10-16-2010 10:10 PM

If you go to you will see a station finder that will help you find stations in your area that carry this show.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#4 posted 10-16-2010 10:16 PM

Never heard of this show. Decided to see if You Tube had anything on it:

After watching this video I can see why you think so much of it!

-- Jon Banquer San Diego, CA CAD / CAM programmer, CNC Machinist

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#5 posted 10-16-2010 10:27 PM

looks cool – thanks for posting

-- -erik & christy-

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#6 posted 10-16-2010 11:33 PM

It shows very late where I’m at. Just ended, started at 5:00 eastern.

I’m used to these shows being on around the 10 or 11 o’clock this old house time.

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#7 posted 10-17-2010 12:58 AM

I’ve got several of the stations that the station finder on had, but when I go to their websites, I don’t see it listed in their show lineup.

-- San Diego, CA

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#8 posted 10-17-2010 01:05 AM

I just wish he would slow his presentation down just a little. It’s like they are cramming too much into the time frame.
I’m still voting to have Charles Neil do a TV show.

-- Life is good.

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#9 posted 10-17-2010 01:16 AM

I agree with Howie that the show feels a little rushed and his constant use of the expression, “Hey guys” gets a little irritating. I’m wondering if any female woodworkers are bothered by the expression.

Still, I really like the substance of this show and its basic approach. I like the balance between hand tools and power tools.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#10 posted 10-17-2010 03:00 AM

On this show, it seems like the primary focus is teaching technique and completing a project is a secondary priority. By contrast, on the New Yankee workshop the priority was on completing a project and teaching technique was of secondary importance. Of course, Norm did not do very much with hand tools.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#11 posted 10-17-2010 06:08 AM

I just watched the stepstool show. Wow he is fast in presentation. I could follow it because I pretty much knew what needed to be done. If I was just getting started, it would have been hard to follow.

I liked the trip to the woodworking school to learn some technique but then was surprised that Tommy didn’t actually use any of the advice. The plus side to that is that you get to see two different processes.

I also liked that he took a few moments to show common mistakes (crowding the line with the chisel, driving too vigorously and creating a split, fixing a gap in a dovetail)

The “hey guys” annoyed me not so much from a gender thing, but just he said it so many times. Norm’s “Well goodmorning” was quaint. Hey guys … right guys 10 times an episode will get a little much after a few seasons… and yes I do hope it stays around for a few seasons.

The power tool / hand tool balance was nice. I appreciated the presentation of the plane and chisel. 30 seconds of showing how quickly a plane can clean up the dovetails after glue up would have been good, but probably ended up on the cutting room floor.

-- Galootish log blog,

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#12 posted 10-17-2010 07:07 AM

I’ve said it elsewhere ….

They GENUINELY want, and appreciate, constructive criticism from the audience, in order that they might constantly improve their show.


As I posted before, I spent an afternoon with these guys, in their Boston-area shop. I want them to succeed … because I think it’s good for woodworking if they do.

They just happen to be very good and decent guys, too, by the way, and … Eli … is a LumberJock :-)

-- -- Neil

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#13 posted 10-17-2010 07:27 AM

I haven’t seen this new show yet on my PBS station…...They are still repeating the old NYW re-runs.
I’m about sick of them, as I’ve seen them all…2-3 times now. Also, they are still playing the last season(s)
of Woodsmith Shop…..I’m tired of them ,too…..So I can’t say about the new show yet…we’ll see….

-- " I don't makes my coffee spill...."

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#14 posted 10-17-2010 07:51 AM

Thanks gl…..Just have to wait and see, if I ever get to see it…. Oh….. and thanks for adding me to your buddy list….I feel honored.
After all the crap I went through with a couple of people on here, didn’t figure to be anybodys buddy….
I hope you’re getting better everyday with whatall you’ve been through….hang in there….

-- " I don't makes my coffee spill...."

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#15 posted 10-17-2010 02:46 PM

I can’t seem to find it on Directtv in central PA. Watched the highlights on youtube and it looks like a great show.

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#16 posted 10-17-2010 03:39 PM

Anyone know anybody in woodcraft marketing? Maybe we should ask them to post the episodes in youtube so those of us who don’t have cable can have access to them. They are all over this site with their advertising so maybe we could ask Martin to get us access.

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#17 posted 10-17-2010 05:43 PM

It looks like my local PBS won’t carry the show until December. That seems odd but here in KY we are always behind.

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#18 posted 10-17-2010 06:37 PM

I think it’s fun to watch. I actually hope Tommy keeps up with his quirky expressions. The show seems a little rough (pardon the pun) at this point, but it’s tough to find your style. I suspect it will take a year or so to hit its groove. So for now, I would suggest give it a chance, and time.

-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers.

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#19 posted 10-17-2010 07:48 PM

I think the next woodworking show they could have is a combination of Charles Neil and Stevinmarin LOL

-- Custom furniture

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#20 posted 10-17-2010 09:14 PM

Putting the emphasis on technique and skills rather than just on a project seems like a breath of fresh air to me. Even though I feel this way the projects that You Tube show Rough Cut tackling also motivate me. I’d like to think that balance can exist on a TV woodworking show.

-- Jon Banquer San Diego, CA CAD / CAM programmer, CNC Machinist

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#21 posted 10-17-2010 09:36 PM

For those of you who want free ,Charles Neil has over 80 you tube videos. We are all at different levels in our woodworking and enjoy different things . I own 80% of Charles Neils Videos and have watched all of his You Tube videos and have enjoyed and learned something new in each video even though I’ve been woodworking more than 20 years. I guess we all have different attention spans but for me Charles Neil equals the next level of learning beyond Yes even good old Norm.

-- Custom furniture

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#22 posted 10-17-2010 10:06 PM

Enjoy G

-- Custom furniture

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#23 posted 10-18-2010 02:48 PM

We have had it for 3 shows now in Cincinnati. I’m liking it more each time. Maybe the “guys” comments are just a nervous tic that might go away with more camera time, maybe it’s just him being himself. I’m ok with it.

What I’ve seen is projects that are doable by most woodworkers. He has a shop that I can only wish for. He does say the things he does can be done with less, I would like to see more with less.

Most woodworking shows are about a project. I’d like to see more about the process. They all try to do too much, in my opinion.

As much as I like Norm, NYWS was an infomercial for Delta.

-- stay thirsty my friends...

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#24 posted 10-18-2010 03:14 PM

And Roughcut is not an infomercial for Fein?
I feel sure you are correct about the nervous tic, I just wish he would slow down the presentation a little.

-- Life is good.

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#26 posted 10-18-2010 04:03 PM

I caught my first episode of “Rough Cut” on saturday and my first impressions were great. It seemed a bit fasted paced but all tv woodworking shows have had that feeling to me. I liked how Tommy went into some of those little tricks/details during the build; like cleaning up the mill marks with a handplane. Woodworks is still my favorite show but I like “rough Cut” alot, more than New Yankee.

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#27 posted 10-18-2010 09:21 PM

As a beginning woodworker I agree with several of your comments…

1. Woodworking shows try to do too much, Rough Cut is no different. It would be much better to take a single project and spread it out over 2-3 shows.

2. The process is very important to the new woodworker so I believe this is a necessary aspect of the show. The actual project is just a means to an end.

3. The show feels rushed…Comment #1 would help this.

4. Jon_banquer is correct…Putting the emphasis on technique and skills IS a breath of fresh air.


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#28 posted 10-19-2010 12:15 AM

FWIW – - I provided feedback on the show at their website in the discussion forum. On has to register before leaving feedback but that is not a big deal.

My feedback was very positive with one suggestion for improvements and that suggestion is simply “slow down”. I actually said that I don’t care if the project gets done or not. The greatness of this show is the focus on technique. I even like how he showed us the consequences of doing something the wrong way.

I would encourage others to provide feedback to their website.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#29 posted 10-19-2010 02:11 AM

It’s a decent show. I’ll watch it. Of course I’ll watch any woodworking show. I was a loyal viewer of The Router Workshop for God’s sake! Rough Cuts is too fast paced but the latest episode with the wall cabinet slowed down some.

I don’t think the show is an infomercial for Fein. However I do see Woodcraft products being used throughout the show.

As far as the comment about taking a project and spreading it out between a few shows, Roy Underhill just did that with a corner cabinet from late last year to early this season. He spreads his projects out over a few shows all the time. Plus he always has excellent guests on his show. The Woodwright’s Shop is the best woodworking show ever.


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#30 posted 10-19-2010 03:24 AM

I was kind of surprised to hear that Someone thought Charles Neil’s videos are all talk.. that’s funny, since I am legally deaf..I couldn’t watch videos that consist of all talk.. Charles Neil’s DVDs showed me more than the collection of books and other woodworking DVDs and VHS’s I own..I rank his way above Tommy’s or Norms or anyone else’s for that matter..I would love to see them go toe to toe and who comes out on top..I would hedge my bet with Charles in a he’s definitely not all talk.. heh heh.. he does a helluva allot more than that..

-- Randall Child

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#31 posted 10-19-2010 06:18 AM

I watched the posted youtube link and liked what I saw in 3 + minutes. I think the show has real potential and hope I can find it locally.
richgreer: Thanks for the heads up, I hadn’t heard of this show until your post.

-- "Man's ingenuity has outrun his intelligence" (Joseph Wood Krutch)

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#33 posted 10-19-2010 01:18 PM

I’m with RBW.

-- Life is good.

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#34 posted 10-19-2010 07:03 PM

Call your local PBS station and request that they look into airing the show. If they get enough requests they sometimes realize that this is what their viewers want. A lot of their donations come from the viewers.

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#35 posted 10-28-2010 05:56 AM


I don’t know to what extent I’m supposed to respond to comments. I haven’t cleared it with GBH, yet. I do feel comfortable saying that we really appreciate all of the comments and criticism. As most of you know, Tommy got his start online and he and I are both active in the online community. We absolutely read what you are posting and take it into account. We check out as many forums as we can. It’s interesting, by the way, to see that each forum has a prevailing attitude.

For those of you who don’t know me, I’m Eli. I’m a graduate of the North Bennet Street School, a furniture maker (well, trying to be), a production assistant on the show, and I make 3 guest appearances. I generally hang out over on the 207, but I try to keep in touch here, too. I haven’t been very involved lately, but I always check the site. I finally have some free time so I’ll be back in here, soon.

The show has already begun in a lot of places, and I know it’s scheduled to air in new areas later this fall and winter. Whether you’ve seen the show or not, there’s a tremendous amount of content on the website, . It has tips from the show as well as Tommy’s old DVD’s, now free online, and the old podcasts. The forum over there is great, too. It’s no lumberjocks, of course ;), but it has a different style that I like a lot.

Thanks for all of the feedback and keep it coming. For those who just saw the wall cabinet, the next episode is one of my favorites. I go old school, until I get tired.


P.S. Hey, Neil! Thanks for all of the kind words on the various forums.
P.P.S. Hello, Barry, too. Thank you, too. Has there been any word on another get together?

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#36 posted 10-30-2010 03:38 PM

“Georgia Public Broadcasting: Saturdays at 12:30 PM beginning 11-06-10”

I found this on another blog here in Georgia.

-- Phil G

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#37 posted 10-30-2010 04:42 PM

Glad I caught your post Rich. I missed the show last week (it airs at 9 AM Saturday morning here) and it will take me a bit to get my schedule used to the time. It was just after 9 here today and I turned the TV on after seeing your post and walla, there is was.

I just saw the second episode where he made the box that hangs on the wall. I am going to love this show, but I do agree that it would be nice to spread the project out over a couple of shows and slow it down a bit. I think he talks quite fast to get it all in and it’s hard to comprehend and digest at times. Maybe I’m just getting old :-) I also like the balance with hand tools and power tools.

Already looking forward to next Saturday’s show.

Thanks Eli for listening to us !

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#38 posted 10-30-2010 07:18 PM

Here in So. Cal…

11-2-10 and 11-7-10 noon

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#39 posted 10-30-2010 08:41 PM

I get three different PBS stations in southeasten PA and finally one is carrying the show. NJN (actually a New Jersey station) carries it on Sundays at 6:00. I have only seen one episode but it looks pretty good. It was through the comments on this site that lead me to Tommy’s site and the 207.

You can watch many shows carried on PBS when you visit that shows website. Unfortunatly that is usually not the case with the woodworking shows. I really wish they would do that with all the shows. I have never seen any of Roy Underhill’s shows. I see NYW is now running weekly shows that can be watched, which is great, but it is only one show for that week. Given the number of shows Norm did, it would be quite awhile before I could see them all again. I realize you can purchase the program but that would add up to a small fortune. I did by a few in the past but they have to be played on a VCR of which I no longer have. Tool purchases last a lifetime but videos only last until the next media play method comes along.

While I am wishing for things right now I will have to throw in the time most good shows for the true DIYer, whether it is wood, remodeling, gardening or even crafts. They are usually on during the day on the weekend when most of us are working with wood, in the garden, or working on remodeling projects. Wayne hinted to that when he talked about rearranging his schedule. I know we are a small segiment of the viewing public and probably not the target audiences for their weekday evenings but it would be nice.

-- Ron, Kutztown, PA "The reward is in the journey."

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#40 posted 10-30-2010 09:16 PM

Today, starting in about 15 minutes, I could be watching:

American Woodshop
Woodwright’s Shop
This Old House
Ask This Old House
Woodsmith’s Shop
Woodturning Workshop

How’s that for an afternoon’s bunch of education and entertainment?!

KVCR 24.1 out of San Bernardino, CA

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#41 posted 10-30-2010 09:21 PM

You can watch four seasons of Roy Underhill’s The Woodwright’s Shop at:

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#42 posted 10-30-2010 09:38 PM

YES! Very good!

I wish they would add more of the Old programs…

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