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G0609x vs G0834 -12" Grizzly Jointer

by jcyphert
posted 01-03-2018 05:42 PM


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#1 posted 01-03-2018 06:06 PM

According to this you’re correct. The less expensive model seems superior in every way that matters.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#2 posted 01-03-2018 07:19 PM

Only Grizzly could answer your question, but it was interesting to me that the cutters are different on the 2 machines. the 834 cutters seem more robust (larger and thicker) and the weight difference isn’t trivial.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#3 posted 01-03-2018 07:38 PM

Thanks Fred! It looks like the 834 is about 250lbs heavier.

After speaking with Grizzly, the 834 is a new machine for 2018. They are expecting more stock of the 609x on the 15th of January, and nothing for sure on the 843 until February. I’ve gone through this moving date target before with grizzly so I won’t get my hopes up. That said, I’m leaning toward the 843.

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#4 posted 01-03-2018 07:46 PM

I suppose they managed to reduce costs on
the new model somehow despite the nicer
specs and maybe haven’t figured out what to
do with the old ones. They might put them
on sale later or something.

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#5 posted 01-08-2018 06:00 PM

I am thinking that the lower price is a result of their new German made CNC machines that they are currently or very recently set up. The G0834 does look like a home run, especially since they are outfitting it with a Shelix style cutterhead. The only downside to me is that it is over 1000lbs. Moving that beast would be nearly impossible. But if you have a dedicated spot for it, and will never need to move it, then you are golden.

I wonder if they will be coming out with new designs for their planers that utilize this new CNC machining.

-- Breeze

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#6 posted 03-20-2018 02:28 AM

I know this is a late post to the original, but just in case anyone else finds this later I’ll post what I was told when I called Grizzly about a month ago. When I called to ask the differences, the person just read off the specifications you can view on their spec sheets. When I asked about the price difference, they said it was an “Introductory Price” for the new model and the price will go up after some time. They didn’t say when or how much. I went ahead and placed an order for one along with a 20” planer. Both are still back-ordered and I’m patiently waiting. When I asked when they would be in, they said end of March for the jointer, and early April for the planer. Hopefully that’s still true. If anyone wants to know specifics after I get the machine let me know.

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#7 posted 03-20-2018 10:08 AM

I hope, for your sanity, it comes in on those timeframes. Based on my experience and from what i read of others, it could be several months from now. I’m interested in your review!

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#8 posted 03-31-2018 02:33 PM

I’m doing the same research on these now as well. Any other updates?

@drjameshouse which planer did you get? I’m also looking at the 20” planers.

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#9 posted 03-31-2018 02:44 PM

The only update is the jointer didn’t come in, and the date from the factory has been pushed to May 17th. Planer is still April 6th. Since the planer isn’t a new model, I’m still hoping that date holds. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen The g0834 in stock. The older 12” g0609x jointer did come in when they said, but I’m not in a hurry so I’m going to wait a bit longer for the new model.

I went with g0454z planer. I know a few other people with this jointer who love it and I don’t run enough material to justify going into the extreme series price.

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#10 posted 03-31-2018 02:46 PM

Got it, thanks. Its a shame that they are pushing it back, I feel like that’s going to happen quite often as I’ve heard that a lot about Grizzly lately :\

What is your plan for mobility on the jointer (if you’re planning on moving it around)?

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#11 posted 03-31-2018 03:27 PM

I got a portamate PM-3500, with PM-3036 extension rails. It was more then I was hoping to spend, but it’s rated at 1500lbs. Beats trying to move a 1000lbs machine without a mobile base.

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#12 posted 04-04-2018 01:02 AM

posted this earlier and didn’t see you had the same questions: I spoke with a service rep and the G0609X should be in stock in a week, while the G0834 should be in stock at the end of the month…(not holding my breath on either). If you hear anything regarding shipping of yours, please let us know how you like it.

I am open to getting the 12” instead of the 8”, as it seems it may be next year before they get their inventory and manufacturing issues straightened out.

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#13 posted 04-04-2018 01:08 AM

One good thing about placing the order, they will not tie up your money but they will hold that price. May prove top be very beneficial after the little hands gets done with trade wars.

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#14 posted 04-04-2018 03:49 AM

It might depend on your location of stock levels. I know the G0609X has been in stock for MO location, for a while. I thought about switching to that instead of the G0834 just to get the machine sooner. However, I already wired the outlet for it to be on my 30A line, and would have to rewire it to my 20A line (climb back into loose filled insulated attic) which I don’t want to do. Then I compare the specs, and the fact that I’d have to pay more for “less” of a machine and convince myself to wait it out. I put “less” in quotes because I have yet to see the G0834 and maybe it won’t be as good as it appears.

I’m also in the process of finally adding dust collection piping to the shop. Planning on going with Nordfab since I may not stay at my current location, which will also cost me a small fortune. So spacing out the hits to my bank account isn’t a bad thing either.

I’ll let you guys know whenever I get a shipping notification for any of the machines I’ve ordered.

By the way, it’s not JUST Grizzly that is having backorder problems. I have been waiting on a Dewalt track saw kit for over 2 months as well. I guess they track itself is backordered. Knowing that I’m giving Grizzly some extra slack.

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#15 posted 04-06-2018 02:32 PM

I’m on the waiting list for a G0834, too. I was told they should get stock mid May when ordered (this week), so we’ll see…

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#16 posted 05-04-2018 12:45 AM

Just going to up everybody. Monday I got a notification that the Jointer (G0834) shipped. I kept waiting for the freight company to call and setup an apt. Well today I got a call, except it was from the truck driver and he was about 5 minutes away. He was surprised nobody called as someone put it on the schedule for today. Unfortunately even though I paid for liftgate, the jointer was on a semi. I don’t blame Grizzly for this as all over his shipping paperwork it states liftgate. In this case the freight company is to blame. Luckily I live in a smaller town where people are willing to help each other. Someone from the lumber yard came down with a fork truck and unloaded it and put it in my shop.

I’m still in the process of onboxing it, but if there are any questions you want to know about the machine, let me know.

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#17 posted 05-04-2018 02:57 AM

Aww you bought the one with inserts.
Bummer hopefully it won’t cost too much to upgrade to straight knifes.

-- Aj

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#18 posted 05-04-2018 10:26 AM

I would consider the inserts the upgrade.

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#19 posted 05-04-2018 10:40 AM

Article in latest Wood magazine… Huge crackdown on pollution in China… Big effect on machinery manufacturing… Major delays ???

-- Pat / Colorado

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#20 posted 05-04-2018 11:46 AM


Article in latest Wood magazine… Huge crackdown on pollution in China… Big effect on machinery manufacturing… Major delays ???

- PJKS

Exactly, good luck getting any large 8” or above grizzly jointer. they have been out of stock for months and if you call Woodstock int (parent company of Grizzly, Steelex, and Shopfox) they will tell you that they won’t have any machines to sell until at least the end of September. But get in line if you want one because the line is long. That’s why I just took advantage of the Jet/Powermatic 10% off sale at Woodcraft. I was able to get a local brick and mortar to match their price and now ill be welcoming a new Powermatic PJ882 to my shop in a few weeks.

-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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#21 posted 05-16-2018 07:58 PM

Glad you got yours, James. My status still shows Backordered.

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#22 posted 05-17-2018 02:52 AM

For those who care, the G0454Z planer I ordered has now shipped. I purchased both the jointer and planer on Feb 23rd.

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#23 posted 05-28-2018 05:19 PM

Hi James, quick question, did you put your G0834 on a mobile base? If so, which one and how well did it work? Thanks in advance!

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#24 posted 05-28-2018 05:45 PM

Woodstock now owns Grizzly? Hadn’t heard that.

-- bill@magraphics.us

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#25 posted 05-28-2018 06:34 PM

I believe they’re owner by the same person, but still two independent companies.

http://grizzly-jet-shop-fox-tool-hunter.blogspot.com/2009/02/shiraz-balolia-owner-of-grizzly-imports.html

-- Breeze

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#26 posted 05-28-2018 06:51 PM

As mentioned above:


I got a portamate PM-3500, with PM-3036 extension rails. It was more then I was hoping to spend, but it s rated at 1500lbs. Beats trying to move a 1000lbs machine without a mobile base.

- drjameshouse

It works very well. It takes a little more oompf to get it rolling but it rolls very nicely. Would buy again.

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#27 posted 07-12-2018 02:18 PM

I see grizzly increased the price of the g0834 from $2750 to $3300. WOW. Is this due to the tariffs?

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#28 posted 07-12-2018 02:21 PM

Yeah, if you look closer at the pricing, they break-down the tariffs. They attribute $550 to the tariffs.

-- Breeze

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#29 posted 07-12-2018 02:22 PM

Yes, I see that now. GRRRRREAT again!

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#30 posted 07-12-2018 02:39 PM

Well, this is absolute garbage. I’ve been getting my jointer order for the backordered G0490X pushed back month after month. Then they add tariffs, which you can read about here: http://www.grizzly.com/customerservice#ordering/2018-tariffs/12ba4123-85aa-4f79-ae44-c2e9632bc399

The worst line about this is this one: Any affected back ordered item, regardless of how long ago the order was placed, will be charged the new higher price as we are unable to absorb a 25% loss. This tariff is beyond our control and we are being forced to increase prices.

So, what i thought I was paying for my jointer is no longer true, and now I will be paying extra because it was backordered, so when they ship i will be paying more. outrageous.

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#31 posted 07-12-2018 02:47 PM

I agree it’s garbage, but it’s not grizzly.

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#32 posted 07-12-2018 02:47 PM

While I’m extremely lucky (and happy) my machines came in when they did, if you read any of the discussions around this tariff issue, apparently I’ll regret getting grizzly machines and should have just bought powermatic.

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#33 posted 07-12-2018 04:33 PM


While I m extremely lucky (and happy) my machines came in when they did, if you read any of the discussions around this tariff issue, apparently I ll regret getting grizzly machines and should have just bought powermatic.

- drjameshouse

Can you be a bit more specific about this? Why will you regret it?

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#34 posted 07-12-2018 04:59 PM

This does not seem fair at all. You purchased at a set price. You should be paying that set price.


Well, this is absolute garbage. I ve been getting my jointer order for the backordered G0490X pushed back month after month. Then they add tariffs, which you can read about here: http://www.grizzly.com/customerservice#ordering/2018-tariffs/12ba4123-85aa-4f79-ae44-c2e9632bc399

The worst line about this is this one: Any affected back ordered item, regardless of how long ago the order was placed, will be charged the new higher price as we are unable to absorb a 25% loss. This tariff is beyond our control and we are being forced to increase prices.

So, what i thought I was paying for my jointer is no longer true, and now I will be paying extra because it was backordered, so when they ship i will be paying more. outrageous.

- Matt Przybylski


-- I live on caffeine, sawdust and swear words. https://timberandashdesigns.com/

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#35 posted 07-12-2018 05:24 PM


So, what i thought I was paying for my jointer is no longer true, and now I will be paying extra because it was backordered, so when they ship i will be paying more. outrageous.

- Matt Przybylski

Cancel your order. Why would you pay that much more for a Grizzly? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of buying their budget version of tools? Or did al machine prices increase? I have not seen that happen.

-- My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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#36 posted 07-12-2018 05:39 PM


Cancel your order. Why would you pay that much more for a Grizzly? Doesn t that defeat the purpose of buying their budget version of tools? Or did al machine prices increase? I have not seen that happen.

- BroncoBrian

Unfortunately, for a comparable machine (i.e. the Powermatic version), it’s still almost half the price. If I could find another company that makes an 8” parallelogram jointer with a helical head and it were a minor price difference I’d do just that because I’ve already been waiting months for this thing anyway (and there is still no timetable for a date in sight). But, the Powermatic version, for instance, is still almost twice the price, even after the tariff increases.

Because of this, Grizzly has me by the proverbial balls, so to speak.

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#37 posted 07-12-2018 08:44 PM

Matt why not get a used jointer Craigslist looking pretty good for jointers in Arizona
Here’s one I found
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tls/d/8-jointer-made-by-general/6639854441.html

-- Aj

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#38 posted 07-12-2018 09:11 PM


Matt why not get a used jointer Craigslist looking pretty good for jointers in Arizona
Here’s one I found
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tls/d/8-jointer-made-by-general/6639854441.html

- Aj2

I’m looking specifically for helical head and parallelogram design. After previously having a parallelogram design I will never go back to dovetail ways :)

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#39 posted 07-12-2018 10:49 PM


While I m extremely lucky (and happy) my machines came in when they did, if you read any of the discussions around this tariff issue, apparently I ll regret getting grizzly machines and should have just bought powermatic.

- drjameshouse

Can you be a bit more specific about this? Why will you regret it?

- Matt Przybylski

You will have to ask those telling me grizzly is junk, and the only color to buy is gold. I have heard some say they’ve had problems with the machines keeping their adjustments for more than a couple of months. Others saying the bought Grizzly and eventually bought powermatic. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if they have experience with the machines themselves, or if it is a brand loyalty thing (i.e. Ford vs Chevy for you car fellows). And of course I was told (by a lot of people) that they are all made by the same factories. Not sure if that’s true or not. I seem to recall some manufacturer claiming they made machines for most (in this price range) which included grizzly and powermatic.

Before I bought I tried to do research like I’m sure many of you do. I’ve seen many people use Grizzly and be happy. These are my first Grizzly woodworking tools. I’ve asked the question of who makes a decent machine, somewhere between Grizzly and Powermatic price and didn’t get any answers. And as you’ve said, even with the tariff, Powermatic is still almost double the price. I know some have mentioned Laguna (I love my 14bx bandsaw from them) but Laguna is backordered until mid-October. Funny how I don’t hear as many upset about their backorder issue. I had always kept my eye open for used tools, but I must live in a bad area, because not very many tools come up. I did see a few DJ-20’s but they always wanted like $2K, which IMO is way to much for that machine. Plus I would have wanted to replace with helical. Any in a decent price range were either beat up or gone extremely fast. I almost pulled the trigger on a couple Northfields, but they also needed some work and it would have cost more to update than I wanted to spend.

As for the machines I got from Grizzly, I am very happy so far. I did have a hard time adjusting the Jointer beds, but that was a lot more of my never adjusting parallelogram jointer before (especially with helical head…so I can’t compensate with knife height) than the tool. I simply didn’t know how to do it correctly. The planer adjusted very easily.

I feel for you. I feel like we don’t have very many manufacturers to choose from anymore, at least in this price range. I mean, even powermatic seems cheap if you compare to a new Northfield jointer. I’m not sure what I would have done had I not got my machines when I did, and was facing an added $1K.

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#40 posted 07-12-2018 11:25 PM

I suspect the used woodworking machinery will be hot soon. Buying a used jointer is a good way to go because you get a chance to inspect the table flatness and coplane before handing over the money.
Dont be put off about wrenching on a old jointer. Even new ones break down or need matinence.
I also thought we all had this bryd head thing worked out.
Jointer- no straight knifes yes
Planer – yes or straight knifes.

-- Aj

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#41 posted 07-12-2018 11:30 PM



I also thought we all had this bryd head thing worked out.
Jointer- no straight knifes yes
Planer – yes or straight knifes.

- Aj2

I must have missed the memo :D

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#42 posted 07-13-2018 10:47 AM

I must have missed the memo :D

- drjameshouse

You didn’t miss any memo, just go Byrd head for both you planer and jointer and enjoy your readout free and perfect finish!

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#43 posted 07-13-2018 02:59 PM


While I m extremely lucky (and happy) my machines came in when they did, if you read any of the discussions around this tariff issue, apparently I ll regret getting grizzly machines and should have just bought powermatic.

- drjameshouse

Can you be a bit more specific about this? Why will you regret it?

- Matt Przybylski

You will have to ask those telling me grizzly is junk, and the only color to buy is gold. I have heard some say they ve had problems with the machines keeping their adjustments for more than a couple of months. Others saying the bought Grizzly and eventually bought powermatic. Sometimes it s hard to tell if they have experience with the machines themselves, or if it is a brand loyalty thing (i.e. Ford vs Chevy for you car fellows). And of course I was told (by a lot of people) that they are all made by the same factories. Not sure if that s true or not. I seem to recall some manufacturer claiming they made machines for most (in this price range) which included grizzly and powermatic.

Before I bought I tried to do research like I m sure many of you do. I ve seen many people use Grizzly and be happy. These are my first Grizzly woodworking tools. I ve asked the question of who makes a decent machine, somewhere between Grizzly and Powermatic price and didn t get any answers. And as you ve said, even with the tariff, Powermatic is still almost double the price. I know some have mentioned Laguna (I love my 14bx bandsaw from them) but Laguna is backordered until mid-October. Funny how I don t hear as many upset about their backorder issue. I had always kept my eye open for used tools, but I must live in a bad area, because not very many tools come up. I did see a few DJ-20 s but they always wanted like $2K, which IMO is way to much for that machine. Plus I would have wanted to replace with helical. Any in a decent price range were either beat up or gone extremely fast. I almost pulled the trigger on a couple Northfields, but they also needed some work and it would have cost more to update than I wanted to spend.

As for the machines I got from Grizzly, I am very happy so far. I did have a hard time adjusting the Jointer beds, but that was a lot more of my never adjusting parallelogram jointer before (especially with helical head…so I can t compensate with knife height) than the tool. I simply didn t know how to do it correctly. The planer adjusted very easily.

I feel for you. I feel like we don t have very many manufacturers to choose from anymore, at least in this price range. I mean, even powermatic seems cheap if you compare to a new Northfield jointer. I m not sure what I would have done had I not got my machines when I did, and was facing an added $1K.

- drjameshouse

Ah, I see. I am happy with my Grizzly machines and have been for a long time so I’m good on that front :)

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#44 posted 07-13-2018 09:22 PM

I would have a very hard time paying 25% more for the exact same machine as a month ago, then I guess if you really want it now…

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#45 posted 07-13-2018 09:33 PM


I also thought we all had this bryd head thing worked out.
Jointer- no straight knifes yes
Planer – yes or straight knifes.

- Aj2

I must have missed the memo :D

- drjameshouse

For some reason he says you shouldn’t get a byrd head because he doesn’t know how to adjust and set up a jointer properly. Since he doesn’t know how to do it, he figured that it’s pointless for other people to get one.

Even though, I have taken a 100 year old jointer and upgraded to a helical head with no problems whatsoever and so have thousands of other people as there are multiple companies that make upgrade heads for jointers.

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#46 posted 07-13-2018 09:48 PM

The G0490x is over $1850 liftgate shipped now. The PM PJ882 can be had for about $2100 liftgate shipped. $250 more for, if nothing else, 4 more years of warranty.

- AHuxley

The PM PJ882 is a straight knife cutterhead and thus only fulfills one of the things you highlighted from my quote :) The PJ-882HH is the helical version and its roughly $3,200 but that is the more comparable machine and thats almost double the cost.

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#47 posted 07-13-2018 10:07 PM



The G0490x is over $1850 liftgate shipped now. The PM PJ882 can be had for about $2100 liftgate shipped. $250 more for, if nothing else, 4 more years of warranty.

- AHuxley

The PM PJ882 is a straight knife cutterhead and thus only fulfills one of the things you highlighted from my quote :) The PJ-882HH is the helical version and its roughly $3,200 but that is the more comparable machine and thats almost double the cost.

- Matt Przybylski

I was actually trying to edit out my mistake but was getting a time out error so I wasn’t able to until now!

Yes, the Powermatic with the helical head is indeed almost $3 at the best price. Sorry for my brain fart

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#48 posted 07-13-2018 10:13 PM


I was actually trying to edit out my mistake but was getting a time out error so I wasn t able to until now!

Yes, the Powermatic with the helical head is indeed almost $3 at the best price. Sorry for my brain fart

- AHuxley

No worries, I appreciate you looking regardless. Always good to get more takes on something.

-- Matt, Arizona, http://www.reintroducing.com

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#49 posted 07-13-2018 11:10 PM

@AZwoody Must of been something terribly wrong with the head in your 100year old machine for you to make the change.
And I do think many are not trying to learn straight knives. How to sharpen how to set and when to change to a better high speed steel. These things take time and everyone is in a hurry.
I’ve used to have a jointer with a bryd head I sold it no regrets.

-- Aj

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#50 posted 07-14-2018 01:15 AM

Having used a jointer with a without a Byrd head, I cannot imagine why anyone would not prefer the helical option. It is quieter, smoother, better finish, easier to maintain and keep the blades sharp. They seem to be priced fairly from each seller, you are paying about the cost of the upgrade.

-- My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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