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Support for a live edge shelf / countertop

by honeydomaster
posted 12-27-2017 04:28 PM


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MrRon

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#1 posted 12-27-2017 06:05 PM

That bracket would certainly work, but it isn’t too hard to make the bracket yourself. Just buy a piece of 1/4”x 2-1/2” flat bar and bend it to 90°. You can buy the metal at http://www.onlinemetals.com/index.cfm. or http://www.speedymetals.com/default.aspx?#&panel1-4

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#2 posted 12-27-2017 07:44 PM

Thanks, thats not a bad idea. I guess the bigger question is do I really need a bracket at all. It seems that being supported in the back and left side is going to support the whole piece fairly well, but i couldbe wrong. One piece of info I left out above – the slab is about 1 3/4” thick.

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#3 posted 12-27-2017 07:58 PM

You could make them out of strips of laminated plywood or wood. I think that would be strong enough. BTW beautiful piece of work there!

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honeydomaster

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#4 posted 12-27-2017 08:02 PM

You could make them out of strips of laminated plywood or wood. I think that would be strong enough.

- pontic

I’m not sure I follow you 100%. I plan to use strips of wood along the left side and back underneath, which the slab will rest on. The question is in needing support on the right side – on the edge that sticks out 18” from the back wall.

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#5 posted 12-27-2017 08:06 PM

Oh, now I see your picture. I think i might understand what you mean. I’m trying to avoid adding any depth under the slab though, as far as wood goes. When you look at it from in front of it, i’d prefer you only see the slab, rather than a wood support or boxed frame under it.

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#6 posted 12-27-2017 08:26 PM

If you are going for the “floating look” Metal bracket is the way to go. Now that I see what you mean. I’d get a forged bracket; don’t need all the length since you have the beef of 1,3/4”. Flexing at the angle is where the problems will be. If you are going with the bent flat stock I would weld in a small triangle stabilizer at the angle.
Don’t want that area to flex too much more than the rest of the piece.

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honeydomaster

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#7 posted 12-27-2017 09:51 PM



If you are going for the “floating look” Metal bracket is the way to go. Now that I see what you mean. I d get a forged bracket; don t need all the length since you have the beef of 1,3/4”. Flexing at the angle is where the problems will be. If you are going with the bent flat stock I would weld in a small triangle stabilizer at the angle.
Don t want that area to flex too much more than the rest of the piece.

- pontic

Well i was kinda thinking the only reason I’d need a bracket would be for the length. In other words, to add some support to the front right edge of the slab, without putting a post under that edge. The back side of the slab where the angle bracket would go will be sitting on a 2×2 strip of wood thats screwed into the stud. So the back side isnt going anywhere. I was thinking if I used an L bracket, I’d have the section of the bracket thats attached to the slab go nearly to the edge of the slab. Since the slab is 18” on the end, maybe make the bracket go out to 16”. I really think the slab would be fine without it, but the concern would be if someone put a lot of weight on that front right edge, or even if the wood could sag and lean over time. Again, the back wouldnt sag, as it would essentially be connected to the stud, but might the right front corner after some years? Maybe this is just something that I should install it to the studs like I was thinking, and then go from there on making a decision on additional support needed.

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#8 posted 12-27-2017 11:18 PM

I think it’s a bit large for a total floating shelf seems you might need a knee brace on the open end.

You can still give it the floating shelf look by building a decorative knee brace. You wouldn’t need any metal brackets either. Secure a 2×2 on both walls, secure the table to the supports and the knee brace on the end.

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#9 posted 12-27-2017 11:50 PM

Well, what I’ve learned from having a house full of teen kids and their friends is that if it can be sat on, it will eventually get sat on. I would recommend going with the metal shelf bracket. It may be overkill, but you won’t have to worry later.

Mike

-- No honey, that's not new, I've had that forever......

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honeydomaster

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#10 posted 12-28-2017 12:30 AM



I think it’s a bit large for a total floating shelf seems you might need a knee brace on the open end.

You can still give it the floating shelf look by building a decorative knee brace. You wouldn’t need any metal brackets either. Secure a 2×2 on both walls, secure the table to the supports and the knee brace on the end.

- Blackie_

I’m trying to picture what you mean by the knee brace. Are you referring to a wooden bracket/brace kinda like this below?

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#11 posted 12-28-2017 12:35 AM

That’s a corbel and all that you would need, I think.

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#12 posted 12-28-2017 02:34 AM

I think it’s a bit large for a total floating shelf seems you might need a knee brace on the open end.

You can still give it the floating shelf look by building a decorative knee brace. You wouldn’t need any metal brackets either. Secure a 2×2 on both walls, secure the table to the supports and the knee brace on the end.

- Blackie_

I m trying to picture what you mean by the knee brace. Are you referring to a wooden bracket/brace kinda like this below?

- honeydomaster

Yes that is a knee brace, it would also support the wait of kids sitting on it, still no need for any metal bracing as long as the 2×2’s are tightly screwed into wall studs and not sheet rock anchor bolts and the knee brace was also tied to a stud.

I’m pretty sure just metal bracing would bend over a short period of time, unless you got some bulky large industrial kind and that prob wouldn’t look very good.

A knee brace and corbel are both one in the same only difference is that a knee brace is a bit larger and beefier, if you are creative you can make a very nice looking one.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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