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Are We A Part Of Dying Art?

by Maveric777
posted 1473 days ago


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lwllms

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#1 posted 1473 days ago

I won’t be doing this in 20 or 30 years. I’m 62 and cancer and a heart attack have put out the caution flag for me. I have been woodworking for more than 35 and never much worried about who else was doing it.

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#2 posted 1473 days ago

i can maybe reverse the question, are you growing your own food? does your fruit and vegetables come from your garden? do you bake your own bread, raise and slaughter your own animals? knit you clothes etc…
so many things wich not so long ago pretty much everybody did, but those arts or occupations didn’t die.
some people kept doing it and became prefessional, others do it for fun or neccesity.
if those or our woodworking art don’t transform and adapt then they die, if woodworking hadn’t become a moneymaking industry then it wouldn’t have evolved that much and most of the powertools and such we use today wouldn’t have been invented i guess.
it’sn not dying as long as there are trees ont his planet (or as long as they can genetically modify plants to grow into funiture themselves!)

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#3 posted 1473 days ago

kick all the buckets you like
do all the new pastimes

sooner or later
these things get booring

and many turn to craft
and art

for the personal rewards !

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#4 posted 1473 days ago

I guess where I was going with this is I don’t see many young people getting into woodworking. Maybe because it is not in schools like it was back in the day, or what not. I don’t see much interest in it around my regular crowd at least. Almost every other day I am being asked to build something for someone, but I have yet to have someone ask me “Will you show me how to do this”..... That is where I was going with this.

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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#5 posted 1473 days ago

Dan -

I believe that the craft of woodwroking is still alive and well. I have been fortunate to take some workshops at the North Bennet School in Boston. In each workshop, there have been a significant number of young people either just out of high school or only a few years beyond that. Also, when we take a tour through the parts of the school that house the full-time programs, I am amazed at the talent shown by the young students there. The school admits students two times a year, and there is always a waiting list.

So, the craft may not always be out in the open, but I feel that it is not dying.

-- “That it will never come again / Is what makes life so sweet. ” ― Emily Dickinson

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#6 posted 1473 days ago

Very cool Chuck…. A waiting list! Now that is awesome….

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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#7 posted 1473 days ago

I think people had the same questions 100 years ago. Machinery did things that were always done by hand, and that won’t change.

Some folks keep old skills alive and some have never changed from doing it the old way.

No doubt, it will be different.

-- the last of Barret's Privateers...

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#8 posted 1473 days ago

Here I thought this thread was going to be about dying wood…

... like using TransTint … show polish… TransFast… or other dyes to artfully DYE wood…

... oh well… :) :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#9 posted 1473 days ago

As long as there are trees, there will be someone to create beauty from them.

While production techniques will always be changing, creativity will never go out of style. With the
internet now, people like never before are encouraged by others. I know my passion, ability and knowledge have grown stronger through the years. Learning methods and gaining knowledge will only grow the art. People will always need a relief from stress in life. What better way to do it than through woodworking.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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#10 posted 1473 days ago

I hired a girl the other day for our Construction company who had three years in Cabinetmaking. I told her this was an entry level position (basicly starting out as a laborer), and asked why would she get out of Cabinetmaking?

She said the trade is dying out, too many big companies pushing the little shops out of business.

Maybe that’s what she’s been told, but every small shop in our city that we do business with cannot keep up. They are looking for helpers, apprentices, installers, you name it.

I think it is still alive and well, depends where you look.

I didn’t want to bring this up again, but in this “instant – gratification” society, where everyone wants it all right now, it will deter some from taking the time to draw or study a plan, buy the rough lumber, machine it, cut the pieces to size, assemble and finish the project…

It isn’t for everyone!

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#11 posted 1473 days ago

I do not see this as a dying trend. I see many younger folks taking up the hobby. As long as people have imagination and the drive to create…woodworking will remain vibrant. Even with schools dropping industrial arts right and left there are still young folks that want to learn – I get friends asking all the time if I would show their kids some of the skills.

When my grandfather was teaching me some of his skills…he used to say that the younger generation is loosing interest and will not keep this art alive….but I think there are more now (based on tool sales) then there has ever been…..

As long as you see engineers making innovations in tools – check out the new Bosch slider – due out Oct 1, 1010 (Fine Woodworking site)...you will see more folks take up this hobby….and now more women are finding the passion for this hobby (which is a wonderful thing by the way). I think woodworking has many more miles left on the tread.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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#12 posted 1473 days ago

I just think the entry age for woodworking is getting older for several reasons.

Kids don’t look for creative outlets these days. They don’t need it as a hobby as they have other things to keep them occupied (Internet/TV/Friends… probably in that order). In high school they are being trained to go on to college, and MOST of those kids won’t get into a vocation like woodworking, so they don’t worry about it.

I’m willing to bet that a very solid majority of the people here got into woodworking well after their life/career were established. If only because up until that point they were spending all of their energies getting to that point.

And finally woodworking is wtfexpensive. In the last 8 months I’ve wrapped up about $4,000 in tools and $500 in my workbench, and that’s just basic power tools. I have no hand tools (which are darn near as expensive) nowhere near enough clamps to do any real glue-ups, and I’ve bought zero hardwood (can’t believe some of the prices). I’m not sure where kids are supposed to get that kind of funding. Most of the money I spent came from a lot of overtime and selling my car.

No, I don’t think woodworking is dying. Quite the opposite… I think it’s making a comeback, just in a different capacity. The commercial side of it has, and will continue to die down (but never go away completely). I think as long as there are bored middle-aged men and women with a nack for building things, there will be plenty of new woodworkers.

-- Big John's Woodshed - Farmington, IL

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#13 posted 1473 days ago

Good conversation everyone. Its good to hear positive encouraging feedback from everyone. I am tickled to hear things are still alive and kicking. Maybe I need to crawl out of the shop from time to time and look around….. lol

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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#14 posted 1473 days ago

John I think you may have just hit the nail on the head. Never once did I think of that factor….

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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#15 posted 1473 days ago

All things that take a skill set are falling to the way side.

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#16 posted 1473 days ago

I have to go along with John. I always did a small amount of woodworking but really never near to what I do now since I retired. Just never seemed to find time to really pursue any big projects. Thats all changed now.

-- Mark www.mmscustomcrafts.com

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#17 posted 1473 days ago

I have sold a few woodworking related tools over the past year. The age of the buyer varied greatly. Last weekend I sold a sander and bandsaw to a person who is in his twenties. He already has some tools and is constantly looking for more. I believe most crafts and professions have highs and lows. Wood is a renewable resource and very earthy in nature. Woodworking goes back many thousands of years and will continue.
I don not think it is an expensive hobby. Many people throw down 50,000 dollars and more for a travel trailer or motorhome and use it maybe 1 month a year. Investing 5,000 to 10,000 as a hobbyist or 50,000 to 100,000 to start a small shop is not that much money. Consider the number of years of enjoyment one can get from the investment. Also, the tools will retain some value if quality tools are purchased and maintained.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#18 posted 1473 days ago

I think for the 1. time we here in Denmark are ahead of you , sadly but true
maybee becourse we only have alot of pine some ash,marble, and oak
so now if you want to learn anything about woodworking the comerciel way
in one of the educationschoolsprogram for adult you be learned in a combination
teaching something between a carpenter and maschine worker
if you don´t want to go into a industri design school where you can if you are lucky
to have a teacher that say make something in wood
thats how it has been the last many years and if you want to learn it in your sparetime
luckely we have a great evening schoolprogram were you can learn what interrested you
from yoga to turning ,knifemaking and other trades
but no real woodworking education here anymore, I gess its becourse we don´t have
some of your lovely darker wood here in Skandinavia like mahogeny and walnut
if we want to go down to the locel woodsurplyer all what we can get is sheedgoods and lausy pine
and some pressuretreaded wood
even thow we can see that there is many many people who tinkle around and make things
with there hannds becourse they are tired of steal, plastic and the concept buy and trow away

my gess is we come back slowly to time were you can have such a job as woodworker
becourse people want qualitat when they buy things now

so look at the bright side we ain´t dead yet :—)

Dennis

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#19 posted 1473 days ago

I was about to post the same thing as John. I went to a local meeting of woodworking enthusiasts for the first time with my two oldest daughters and saw a lot of old time folks. It was then that it hit me. I am there (39 years old) only because I can afford too do this hobby now. Check out your own experience. Did you have a tough time deciding to buy a table saw or diapers? Priorities in life make the natural progression of passion secondary to the more immediate needs. I started getting into (seriously) woodworking at about 3 years ago. I think if you did a survey and asked “If you have a family, when did you get serious in woodworking?” It would be somewhere in the mid-30’s to early 40’s I bet.

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.

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#20 posted 1473 days ago

Kevin
it has nothing to do with when you get serius about woodworking that is the big question
its when did you get the bite from the big wood/DIY bug in your life
if it hasn´t come across you when you was young I daubt it ever will
we simply have to have good schools with both education in books
and education in making thing with you hands and be creative with them its the only way forward
children is both the best and the worst resourse we have , you can nurse there brain or you can dump them
and say what do I care

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#21 posted 1473 days ago

From a hobbyist point of view, John makes some good comments. The woodworking guild in my area consists mostly of retired guys with disposable income.
Off course, woodworking can be done without a large financial outlay. Hand tools! Guess that is just too slow and labor intensive for most. Blame it on the influence of our modern instant gratification, consumer driven society. That’s why the tool shops are smiling and coming up with more and more ridiculous gizmos!
I work wood for a living, so some thoughts from that side. The craft of woodworking as such is dying, yes. As is many other crafts. The task of making basic wooden things has been taken over by machines and sweatshops.
At the same time, craftsmanship is also dying and that is our savior. More and more people are beginning to recognize the lack of craftsmanship in consumer production goods.

Good craftsmanship is becoming contemporary art. People are starting to value the exclusivity of good craftsmanship and design and they are willing to pay for it.

I can go on and on, enough said.

-- Div @ the bottom end of Africa. "A woodworker's sharpest tool should be his mind."

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#22 posted 1473 days ago

On the matter of hand tools— they aren’t as good an entry to woodworking as they could be.

  • they’re hard to learn to use from books or videos – one really needs a skilled mentor to teach skills much beyond the basics.
  • few other woodworkers use them, making finding a skilled mentor difficult.
  • high quality hand tools can be quite expensive – enough so to be daunting to an in-experienced woodworker who isn’t familiar with how hand tools should perform
  • cheap hand tools frequently perform like crap – enough so to be very discouraging to an in-experienced woodworker who isn’t familiar with how hand tools should perform..
  • hand tools are slow. A pretty big hurdle for the instant gratification generation.

Beyond the hand tool issue, I can identify for certain one major bar to young people finding wood working.

Wood isn’t very common in our lives anymore. Few people use wood heat, most floors are carpet over plywood subfloors, the majority of affordable new furniture is made of particle board, and the toys we grew up with are plastic and electronic.

-- Work hard, play hard, drink good beer.

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#23 posted 1473 days ago

Not sure about a dying art…....... for me it’s THERAPY!

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#24 posted 1473 days ago

AnnaEA, woodworking is NOT for those that want instant gratification. They won’t last!

Quality USED handtools can be found at VERY realistic prices.


There are no better teacher than DOING and PERSISTENCE. It is not that difficult. Skill can only come with practise.

-- Div @ the bottom end of Africa. "A woodworker's sharpest tool should be his mind."

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#25 posted 1473 days ago

First off Dan age has no hold on longevity, just buried a 34 year old friend this last week. But am glad to hear your thinking about such matters and what should be done with your tools. Speaking of tools my daughter will inherit mine. As for the craft dying off I don’t for see this happening myself. But as john has stated young people have many other things to think about and do that take up a lot of their time. I have quite a few young people (trying not to say kids LOL) that know me that want to come in the shop with me because I have the toys. Yes its true that mature people are more settled in and have the time to invest in a pretty much stationary hobby. In fact my neighbor came by to ask how to do something as she is just getting into woodworking. She just got a scroll saw and is starting out with small craft items. I think the longer your at the game you will find that there are more people around you that are as well. In fact there are a lot of things that I am now finding the time to do myself now that I’m older. As you stated your new to getting around the saw dust yourself, and so will others when the desire comes to them. Heck I still am trying to get use to todays technology myself and if I don’t understand something or need to learn something I ask a young person as they know all about this stuff today.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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#26 posted 1472 days ago

This is a great thread and as I read the 27 post before me I realized there is really two sides to this question. Is this a dying Art? As a hobby, I don’t think it will every die. No matter the age, when someone discovers the joy of woodworking, they can pursue it at any level they want, whether it’s with limited financial recourses, limited space or tools and with any level of experience, virtually anywhere in the world. We prove that here on Lumber Jocks!
But as a professional woodworker, over the past 25 years, I’ve seen us become more of a disposable society. With a trend more on technology, from electronics, automobiles and everything we use in our life everyday, I see the focus is more on what’s new, not will it last for years. I personally feel I’m a dying breed as a true craftsman. Over the years, I’ve had a lot of young woodworkers come to me and tell me they want to do what I’m doing. (designing and building quality furniture and fine cabinetry). They want to be a professional woodworker…....a true craftsman….......focused on quality and service. After a year or two, about 90% of them (if still in business) has changed their focus more on how fast and how “cheap” they can build it. Another words, most become more interested in seeing how much money they can make and the quality and craftsmanship is not their top priority.
I still have a good business and my passion for woodworking is stronger today then ever and I’ve been able to build a strong customer base over the years…........To find the new customer that’s more interested in true quality, then just price, is a little harder today then it was 20 – 25 years ago. Thank God for the referrals I get from my customers. I’ve held true to my passion for quality craftsmanship and looking at the level of work presented here on LJ’s from other full time woodworkers, they have too…..........So, are we a dying breed?

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#27 posted 1472 days ago

I turned 79 last month & have not built anything large for the home for several years. About 10 years ago I saw this coming & that’s when I started building wooden toys in order to retain the skills that I have. Lo & behold this was a lucky choice because I found that I enjoyed making them. Nothing large & heavy involved with toys & best of all very little waste. I donate the toys for innercity kids at Christmas hence nothing is cluttering up the house. Kinda sliding sideways on this thread I have noticed that young couples move into a house & have no clue on how to repair anything which will be an expensive situation if they don’t knuckle in & learn or the house will suffer & become shabby with age.

Lee

-- Lee

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#28 posted 1472 days ago

Lee: Kinda sliding sideways on this thread I have noticed that young couples move into a house & have no clue on how to repair anything which will be an expensive situation if they don’t knuckle in & learn or the house will suffer & become shabby with age.

That’s exactly what got me into woodworking.

-- Big John's Woodshed - Farmington, IL

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#29 posted 1472 days ago

This thread has turned out to be quite a good discussion. I know it personaly makes me feel better knowing that even though things may be different… It is still alive and well. I know in my 34 short years one thing I have grown to accept is “Things Change”. Maybe it was knowing that fact that gave me the little uneasy feeling. Or the fact I know no one closer than 45 minutes away that woodworks (a fellow Lumber Jock). Or even the fact no one sharpens blades here in my town any more. I just kept seeing the little things that made me wonder and yes worry a tad about this subject.

I can say with most confidence that if it where not for my adopted Dad leaving me his small collection of woodworking tools I probably would not be here posting projects on Lumber Jocks. I am also at a point in my life where it does not come down to a choice of having to buy diapers, pay the electric bill, etc…. over snagging that sweet router. I feel extremely lucky to be where I am, and be able to do what I love.

It is a bummer though that schools do not really offer shop classes any more. I know that was what planted the seed for me personaly all those years ago. I grew up “Extremely” poor and without a Father figure around most my childhood. That was my only experience up to mid teen years to even be around this kind of stuff. I cant help but wonder how many young people out there today who may be in the same situation I was years ago. I can’t help but wonder how many talented young people we have out there who may go their entire life not knowing what they could do if given the right path….. Hmmmm?

And about the quality. That is a very good subject as well. I know when I build something I always think of what my adopted Dad told me over…. and over… and over… again. “Do the best you can do at everything you do, and you will never have any regrets”. Maybe that is the root to me being accused of being OCD or overly anal with things I partake in. Although my work is not up to the perfection bar we see here on the site day in and day out, I can honestly say what I build will be the best I could do at that time. I am a firm believer in quality over quantity, and by the looks of a lot of work here on Lumber Jocks I can see that I am not alone.

Good discussion….

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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#30 posted 1472 days ago

Necessity is the mother of invention. I believe one has to keep in mind how woodworking, metal working, quilting, arts and crafts, etc. got started in the first place. Someone needed a place to sleep, a way to stay warm, a container for their clothes, a place to sit, etc. After functionality, there was the need to work on design and to make these objects appealing. Many people like to be “idea” people. They like the exercising of the imagination not necessarily the physical work involved in making the idea a reality. I believe we go through a natural ebb and flow. As woodworking decreased, so did the options available to the consumer and quantity of people able to customize. The necessity inspires the labor, the labor inspires the interest to be creative.

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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#31 posted 1472 days ago

The downturn is partly the IKEA versions of working and instant gratification society. This drives the questions especially from those who are not woodworkers, that don’t understand why we spend time the way we do.

THe other part is in school. THere are many examples where shops were replaced with computer labs. I was lucky and in the 80’s we had both! But also shop was required of everyone. It was a rotation in industrial arts, one quarter was electric – we made small devices, and etched our own copper circuit boards, but also residential wiring was done, how to wire a 3-way switch. Then there was one quarter (9 weeks) on machinery we made metal dustpans and the like, one quarter was Home Economics – included cooking and how to balance a check-book and even fill out a 1040EZ. final quarter was woodworking.
Now there were also specific courses more in depth in any of these, but everyone got a taste of working with their hands.
Now those classes are moved to ‘technical centers’ where the “Bad” students spend half a day learning construction trades while the good kids continued “College Prep”

You have the typical hoidy toidies who say it is a good program for “Those kind of kids” but not theirs.
I got my PhD in Chemistry at Penn State, and part of my graduate work was making experimental setups using a metal lathe and milling machine. Also am able to do repairs to our home.

THe goal we need to have is that working with our hands and actually making something tangible is a good skill, and not just something for the “Dumb Kids”, whether you will be a brain surgeon or dig ditches, and all opportunities between.

I attend Marc Adams’ School every summer, and the classes were always packed with Engineers and Doctors. All the engineers have said that they enjoy the “Tangible” nature of woodworking, versus the day job they have banging away at a computer.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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#32 posted 1472 days ago

I am a shop teacher and my district just spent nearly $1millionin 2006 to remodel our shop building. My enrollment has gone up! We used to have about 200 kids in shop 3 years ago, we now have almost 300. That is 10% of our school.

Places like harbor freight and grizzly are making woodworking more affordable to the common folk. Shows like DIY and HGTV are giving people hope that they can do the same. Although I personally agree that either of my last statements are the best answer, it does give people inspiration and desire.

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#33 posted 1471 days ago

I started woodworking in my teens, which was far longer ago than I care to admit to, but came back to it a couple of years ago because, well I finally could afford to pursue what I loved so long ago. (Got rid of a nasty ex wife, sure makes life better in a LOT of ways…), anyway I digress, I have nephews and nieces that would never operate a saw if you forced them to… But then again, if you look at almost every other house in my neighborhood, you will hear the sound of power saws on any given day, even Christmas morning!

I think the younger set is at a disadvantage though, they are no longer learning the skills in school, and paying contractors, or having to keep buying Ikea junk furniture every few years is going to add up REALLY fast…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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#34 posted 1471 days ago

Circ. 1959 B & D Mahogany Power Tool Chest

Not to be rude or off the track, but I’m going nuts. Has anyone ever seen one of these? Thank you!!!

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#36 posted 1471 days ago

In most cities in Canada woodworking shop courses at schools were discontinued because the school systems
could no longer afford the cost of the liability insurance. Many woodworkers got some sweet deals when the schools sold off their woodworking tools & machines. Insurance companies are still playing havoc because now technical schools are also under insurance costs duress.

Lee

-- Lee

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#37 posted 1470 days ago

I’m guessing there are a lot of young boys out there that would love to try their hand at simple woodworking; problem is, it’s a bit dangerous, as we all know. Yet, a seasoned woodjock could teach the kid some things, and maybe do the more dangerous cutting aspects…what boy doesn’t love power tools?

Also, I think some people will look at a project, let’s say a Grandfather clock, and think they could never learn how to be good enough to build something like that. In reality, it’s 3 boxes on top of each other. They need to realize that skill sets need to be built up over time; and each project will only enlarge your skill set.

Personally, I would much rather be in the shop, then do what I usually must do – sit in front of a computer. Making something tangible with my hands that will last a hell of a lot longer than some stupid website is more gratifying by far. With computer work, you can become so frustrated not being able to “see” what is causing a problem. In woodworking, it’s obvious, and you can get to work fixing the problem, rather than trying to discover it.

I hope it’s not a dying art, but I think it is, in a sense. You don’t have the craftsman around you had say, 50 years ago. People can go out and just by some junk for way less. Woodworking has taught me the beauty and value of something done by the human hand, guided by the human mind, that a soulless machine could never have created. I look at some of my stuff and say, “Not bad, kid.” Then I’ll look at some junk from China and say…”What the hell is this?!” I’m real snooty about quality now I guess.

Good.

-- Have a blessed day! http://newmissionworkshop.com

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#38 posted 1470 days ago

I agree Pashley. My dad apprenticed for 5 years to be a carpenter in the days when building a house the carpenters did everything from digging the basement with a team of horses dragging a scoop with handles called a skip. They mixed and poured the cement footings. Built the forms of shiplap & 2×4’s & poured the basement walls. Salvaged the forms & even the nails. The shiplap was laid diagonally to form the subfloor & the 2×4’s became studs. They cut the rafters & installed them. Sheeted the roof with shiplap & laid the cedar shingles. About the only things they didn’t do was the plumbing & the wiring. They did lathe the walls & made them ready for the plasterers. Tar papered the exterior walls, attached the chickenwire, making the walls ready for the plasterers to apply the scratch coat & finish coats of stucco. They built the cupboards & did all the finishwork. Those guys were true tradesmen. Many of the houses built in the very early 1900’s are still standing as a result. You can look at some houses today & at a mere 20 years of age & they are dumps, with most being fire traps due to the materials in use. Chipboard … extremely fire hazardous covered with a plastic wrap then vinyl siding …. good grief. Asphalt shingles which burn like h*. No wonder barbeques burn down houses besides turning hamburgers into hockey pucks. Where’s the nearest uninhabited cave so I can move in ? LOL

-- Lee

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