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OFF TOPIC! RING A DING DING!

by richardchaos
posted 11-08-2017 10:06 AM


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#1 posted 11-08-2017 12:11 PM

What does this have to do with woodworking?

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#2 posted 11-08-2017 12:33 PM



What does this have to do with woodworking?

- Rob


He said it was off topic. With a problem like this, a wide selection of viewers is better and LJs is huge.
Wish I could help. Frontier has always responded to my problems so, have never needed to educate myself.
Hopefully some kind LJ will be able to help.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#3 posted 11-08-2017 12:52 PM

Off topic response…Just wanted to make sure no one thinks my response is related to woodworking. LOL
Usually, there is a RJ11 jack at the outside box where you can plug a phone in for testing. This allows you to check to see whether the problem is related to the incoming line (not your problem) or the house wiring (your problem). Plug in an old phone (not one you have to plug into AC if possible—I always keep one around for power outages) and see if you get the same problem. If you have one also plugged in inside, you’ll have a control for your test. If it also rings outside randomly, then you can call Frontier again and tell them the problem is theirs and not yours to fix.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#4 posted 11-08-2017 01:12 PM

Wow this is a weird coincidence. I was an Application Engineer at Motorola UDS for years before the modem market evaporated, so you landed in my wheel house. Go to the phone companies last point of connection, often time this will be an aluminium can or plastic box on the pole where the phone companies line terminates and your house wiring begins. Disconnect your house wiring and either install a phone jack or hard wire an old phone (or clip in if you have a lineman’s test set…doesn’t everyone <g>). Make sure you have a dial tone. Now wait. If you get one of your phantom rings then you have proven the problem in on the telco side of the connection. No ring and you have something weird going on in the house wiring. Unfortunately you usually have to go to this kind of extreme to force the phone company to make a repair. Also, when they are on site to troubleshoot and repair, stay with them. Given any opportunity they will correct a problem and log it as cleared during test!

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#5 posted 11-08-2017 01:24 PM

How many phones are hooked up in the house?

There is only so much voltage the Telco provides and if there are too many handsets you’ll see this. Had it happen at my grandparents house and my mother in laws.

https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inftelephone/inftel2.html

Try disconnecting a couple of handsets and see if that fixes it.

-- There's two routers in my vocab, one that moves data and one that removes wood, the latter being more relevant on this forum.

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#6 posted 11-08-2017 01:24 PM

How many phones are hooked up in the house?

There is only so much voltage the Telco provides and if there are too many handsets you’ll see this. Had it happen at my grandparents house and my mother in laws.

https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inftelephone/inftel2.html

Try disconnecting a couple of handsets and see if that fixes it.

Could also be a failing handset.

-- There's two routers in my vocab, one that moves data and one that removes wood, the latter being more relevant on this forum.

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#7 posted 11-08-2017 01:24 PM

I did just that. Connected at the box. Still strange ring!


Wow this is a weird coincidence. I was an Application Engineer at Motorola UDS for years before the modem market evaporated, so you landed in my wheel house. Go to the phone companies last point of connection, often time this will be an aluminium can or plastic box on the pole where the phone companies line terminates and your house wiring begins. Disconnect your house wiring and either install a phone jack or hard wire an old phone (or clip in if you have a lineman s test set…doesn t everyone ). Make sure you have a dial tone. Now wait. If you get one of your phantom rings then you have proven the problem in on the telco side of the connection. No ring and you have something weird going on in the house wiring. Unfortunately you usually have to go to this kind of extreme to force the phone company to make a repair. Also, when they are on site to troubleshoot and repair, stay with them. Given any opportunity they will correct a problem and log it as cleared during test!

- Holt

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#8 posted 11-08-2017 01:32 PM

Just thought of something else…is there DSL broadband on this phone line? I seem to remember that DSL modems could cause some interference and perhaps that is creating some sort of noise that causes the phone to ring? Disconnect all but one phone and see if that makes any difference.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#9 posted 11-08-2017 01:50 PM

This is a pic of the inside of the D-MARK outside box…. The left side was untouched but I did the wiring to the right. The priories wiring went to both the top hook up and the bottom but under both set up my mom is still getting that one ring 100 times a day!

ALSO see red circle and arrow these two wires were no cut by me

PLEASE ADVISE

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#10 posted 11-08-2017 01:52 PM

I post things on here that are not wood related because there is a world of mature knowledge on here and I don’t have to argue endless political arguments with squish heads and teen age girls with broken hearts like on Facebook!

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#11 posted 11-08-2017 02:16 PM

Just some more points to ponder

Are the phantom rings random or cyclical? Time them to see if there is a pattern

Do the lines in the house come in proximity of any florescent lights?

When you connected the phone outside, did you disconnect the wires leading into the house?

-- Mike - Waukesha, WI

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#12 posted 11-08-2017 02:29 PM

The rings are PHANTOM no set cycle . It is not the wireless phone other we have replaced it 3 time and I have my wireless phone now hooked up and its rings right along wit the rest.

When I hooked up the new line I took a phone out there and made sure there was a dial tone and I could make and receive calls. BUT it was freezing so I did not wait around long enough to wait to see if it rang once.

I am thinking of Rehooking up those two cut lines to the 2nd line and hooking the 4 wire the same way on the 1st line hookup.

No ;flour lights near.. and no I did not disconnect the lines coming in from the street, What you see in the pic is the way I found them….


Just some more points to ponder

Are the phantom rings random or cyclical? Time them to see if there is a pattern

Do the lines in the house come in proximity of any florescent lights?

When you connected the phone outside, did you disconnect the wires leading into the house?

- Firewood

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#13 posted 11-08-2017 02:31 PM

The DSL thing may have some merit.
The data is put on the same lines but it operates at a much higher frequency.
To keep them from interfering with each other, there is usually some kind of low-pass filter to separate phone signals from internet data.
Maybe this could be the issue? Missing a filter?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#14 posted 11-08-2017 02:49 PM

Well that should no be an issue as the internet is from a separate company and comes over the TV CABLE


The DSL thing may have some merit.
The data is put on the same lines but it operates at a much higher frequency.
To keep them from interfering with each other, there is usually some kind of low-pass filter to separate phone signals from internet data.
Maybe this could be the issue? Missing a filter?

- DS

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#15 posted 11-08-2017 03:01 PM

The only other thing I can think of is maybe you have a malfunctioning handset somewhere.

The ring signal is quite a large pulse compared to the talking signals. Older, passive analog phones have a much higher “ring load” to in order to make them ring versus the newer electronic, digital phones. There was (is) a practical limit on the number of (older style) handsets that could be on a line and get a proper ring signal to work.

Obviously, this is pure speculation, but, a malfunctioning handset could be overwhelming the phone lines’ ability to properly ring during an incoming call. That might manifest as a short bleep then a disconnect.

Perhaps, disconnect all but one handset at a time and see if the problem persists.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#16 posted 11-08-2017 03:30 PM


ALSO see red circle and arrow these two wires were no cut by me

I am thinking of Rehooking up those two cut lines to the 2nd line and hooking the 4 wire the same way on the 1st line hookup.

- richardchaos

No need to do that. Unless you have 2 phone lines, and you obviously do not, you only need the first 2 wires. The other 2 are for a second line.


I did just that. Connected at the box. Still strange ring!

Sounds like you’ve already proven its not your problem but I would first disconnect the lines from house and try connecting a phone directly to the box again. If it still rings, it is Frontier’s problem. Just tell them you disconnected the wiring from the house and connected directly at the box and still have the problem which proves it IS their problem and they will have to send someone out. If they won’t, just threaten to get your phone from your cable provider by asking: “if you won’t send someone out, are you the one I need to talk when I cancel my service?” Ask for their name at the beginning of the call and make sure that they know you will “name drop” when you make that call explaining that they refused to fix your line. (Can you tell that I’ve dealt with Frontier before?) Chances are, it is a problem at the switch and they don’t technically need to come to your house to fix it, though they still might.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#17 posted 11-08-2017 03:42 PM

Never thought of that I will connect them directly today!

ALSO see red circle and arrow these two wires were no cut by me

I am thinking of Rehooking up those two cut lines to the 2nd line and hooking the 4 wire the same way on the 1st line hookup.

- richardchaos

No need to do that. Unless you have 2 phone lines, and you obviously do not, you only need the first 2 wires. The other 2 are for a second line.

I did just that. Connected at the box. Still strange ring!

Sounds like you ve already proven its not your problem but I would first disconnect the lines from house and try connecting a phone directly to the box again. If it still rings, it is Frontier s problem. Just tell them you disconnected the wiring from the house and connected directly at the box and still have the problem which proves it IS their problem and they will have to send someone out. If they won t, just threaten to get your phone from your cable provider by asking: “if you won t send someone out, are you the one I need to talk when I cancel my service?” Ask for their name at the beginning of the call and make sure that they know you will “name drop” when you make that call explaining that they refused to fix your line. (Can you tell that I ve dealt with Frontier before?) Chances are, it is a problem at the switch and they don t technically need to come to your house to fix it, though they still might.

- Lazyman

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#18 posted 11-08-2017 03:59 PM

One phone


How many phones are hooked up in the house?

There is only so much voltage the Telco provides and if there are too many handsets you ll see this. Had it happen at my grandparents house and my mother in laws.

https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inftelephone/inftel2.html

Try disconnecting a couple of handsets and see if that fixes it.

Could also be a failing handset.

- B4B


-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#19 posted 11-08-2017 04:38 PM

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#20 posted 11-08-2017 05:01 PM

Moved thread to off-topic area.

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#21 posted 11-08-2017 05:15 PM

Maybe the phantom caller is looking for souls of the dead? ;-)

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#22 posted 11-08-2017 05:57 PM

With all you have tested, it would be my bet it’s in the line coming in. Phone company’s problem. Since it is random, I would bet that as a breeze blows and moves the phone line it makes a quick short causing the ring. I have read that with all the cell phones now in use, the phone company’s are phasing out hard lines. Many are extremely old and just coming apart. Many places they are actually taking them up to sell for the copper content. Sucks for me as I live in a place, mountains, where there is no signal at my house. A short walk up the road, yes but not here. Would it be possible to meter the line to see when a ring occurs you get a short shot of current? The thing is the problem could be a long way away from your house. Good luck!!

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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#23 posted 11-08-2017 06:25 PM

OKAY I accessed the street feed wires and wired them directly to the house phone lines AND yes it still rings DAMN IT just as I was typing this!
What about the ground.

There is a larger wire coming out of the box that seems to be a ground. BUT the wire disappears into part of the house I cant get to

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#24 posted 11-08-2017 06:37 PM

Well he’s not home! he’s ahhh resting! LOL!


Maybe the phantom caller is looking for souls of the dead? ;-)

- DS

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#25 posted 11-08-2017 07:45 PM

Humorous and a little off the solution, but many years ago before we had IR or RF remote TV controls, Zenith has a ultrasonic TV remote which was only to be heard by the TV but a harmonic would also ring the old black dial phones.
Annoying, like the problem stated in this forum, a piece of masking tape on the ringer bell took care of that!

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#26 posted 11-08-2017 09:23 PM

Well I threatened to sheet can my moms Cable TV and land line and get her a cell phone and Internet TV and NETFLIXS then they said they are going to send a tech out in a week.

They supposedly ran some sort of test and said there is a Line break 22,000 feet away from the house… WTF???

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#27 posted 11-08-2017 09:28 PM

The very first place I moved into after I got out of high school and the parents place was an apartment in Northern Indianapolis called NORA PINES!! I had a good friend from high school as my roommate and another buddy from school moved just across the courtyard from us.

Just by chance my roommate and this other guy had bought the exact same TV with remotes. We never let theca out of that bag. This is in the early 80s mind you.

We use to get all liquored up and when our pal across the way would get home he would open his slide glass patio door where we had a straight view of his TV and man we had fun with our remote on his TV


Humorous and a little off the solution, but many years ago before we had IR or RF remote TV controls, Zenith has a ultrasonic TV remote which was only to be heard by the TV but a harmonic would also ring the old black dial phones.
Annoying, like the problem stated in this forum, a piece of masking tape on the ringer bell took care of that!

- oldnovice

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#28 posted 11-08-2017 09:28 PM


They supposedly ran some sort of test and said there is a Line break 22,000 feet away from the house… WTF???

- richardchaos

NOW they tell you! Figures!

Maybe they prioritize these calls to service the living first, the dead second…
Too soon?
LOL!

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#29 posted 11-08-2017 09:39 PM

Is anyone surprised at anything FRONTIER COM. does? They told my mom as he was hearing things for 2 years!

They supposedly ran some sort of test and said there is a Line break 22,000 feet away from the house… WTF???

- richardchaos

NOW they tell you! Figures!

Maybe they prioritize these calls to service the living first, the dead second…
Too soon?
LOL!

- DS

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#30 posted 11-09-2017 12:20 AM

Just disconnect ALL the phones.
Problem solved.
:-P

Hope they fix your problem soon.

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#31 posted 11-09-2017 03:50 AM


They supposedly ran some sort of test and said there is a Line break 22,000 feet away from the house… WTF???

- richardchaos

NOW they tell you! Figures!

Maybe they prioritize these calls to service the living first, the dead second…
Too soon?
LOL!

- DS

Channels Monty Python, “I’m not dead, yet!”

BoT, it takes money to run tests, and running a loop back tester on all that line made them wait until you made certain that the ball was in their court. I’m not excusing it, just saying that that’s how that kind of thing works, sometimes.

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#32 posted 11-09-2017 01:16 PM

Everyone knows FRONTIER SUCKS… Almost as bad as RIDGID TOOLS! LOL!

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#33 posted 11-09-2017 01:18 PM

TRUST me I would love to shit can her landline but have you ever tried to teach your 78 mother to use a new Cell phone. I would rather have a root cannel…

Look I finaly got rid of her VHS tape deck so I wouldn’t have to drive miles just because the clock on the tape machine was blinking 12:00


Just disconnect ALL the phones.
Problem solved.
:-P

Hope they fix your problem soon.

- Underdog

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#34 posted 11-09-2017 10:54 PM

Have you seen or read about the elder cell phone it’s is supposedlly designed with elders in mind!

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