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I saw two really unusual planes while browsing an out-of-the-way antiques shop today. Can you help?
First plane: A really weird plane marked #3, though it seemed a tad smallish for a #3. It was marked "DRP& Co." on the topside of the sole, ahead of the tote. Then I noticed the back of the frog was marked "Germany" in that creepy font often seen on highway signs in Germany. I had the feeling it was early 20th century, but does anyone have an idea what this plane is?
Second item: A Union plane, no other markings except for lever cap, only 8 1/2 inches long, Could this be the model sometimes presented on eBay as a 'Union #2'?
Each of these were marked $25, and looked like they spent eternity in a damp basement.
I did bring home an equally rusty #4 1/2 Stanley plane, however. It will go into the 'corral' until I get some unfettered liesure time to spend on some restoration work.
Any opinions on the other two orphans above? Thx in advance!!

Smoothing plane Plane Scrub plane Jack plane Block plane
 

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#28 ·
Poopiekat - ebay shows you listings from sellers explicitly willing to ship to your country.

But, you could go to www.ebay.de and search for handhobel (handplane) and ask a seller if they are willing to ship to you. I have had some luck that way.
 
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Don, You amaze me with your response once again!! That for sure is indeed the same plane body that I own, although in much better condition!! And the seller refers to it as a "Jordan"? wow… I'll start a search. At least now I know what that retainer and lever cap look like!! Fantastic, Don, I really owe ya for this! Wow, how much research did you put into this? I just bought a cutter on eBay, but it does not have those graduated notches, I purchased based on correct width alone…
Richard: Thanks for the suggestion, I actually did find my way to the German eBay site, but I figure, after noodling around, most sellers there would probably not prefer to ship to Canada.
 
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I've been searching and searching almost none stop!!!!

And if you believe that …. boy do I have a deal for you. Actually I just stumble onto it. I saw the plane on ebay, thought it looks cool and saw the DRP. I may do a little research with the Jordan name when time permits.
 
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Thanks for the pics, Bandit!!
yeah, I need a little reassurance that my three latest projects are not too far gone to save. I know I'm pushing it, buying that Union on the hope that it is an equivalent to a Stanley #2, and my weak spot for utterly wacko unusual planes. They end up in my critter corner, in individual Tupperware containers, 'til I can spend some quality liesure time like when I retire or my next extended sick leave….

Don: I went to the original listing, although closed, and that particular seller ships to the USA only. I'm registered as a Canadian user, and I'm automatically filtered out of those listings. That's why I never see such things! You're a great person to find, recognize, and post your discovery, it's why LJ is the best anywhere!
 
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Wow, Thank You DonW for yet another posting of a Jordan plane! That one is exactly the same as mine, and complete! Again, this is a 'ship to USA only' listing, so I don't see it in my eBay search from my Canadian account. Apparently, Jordan made a multitude of iron tools I'm guessing during the post-WWII reconstruction period? Also, Don, I've got a 'Ritter' block plane on its way, will post some pics when it arrives.
 
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Thanks, Don! There is some contradictory information in the listing, in one area it clearly states it will not ship to Canada. However, he says he will calculate international postage. He did not select the right parameters when setting up the ad. That is why I never saw this plane in my eBay search. Much appreciated! Hmmm, next.. I want my own Armstrong plane…
 
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Shipping to Canada isn't a big deal is it?
yes, Joe, it is. Problems originate mostly by under-informed sellers and buyers. For example, a Canadian MUST specify shipping ONLY via USPS. If a package from the USA gets sent to Canada via UPS, for example, there will be a Brownie at your door with his hand out, wanting to collect bogus customs fees and brokerage duties. On my last purchase from the USA for some 80/20 aluminum, the purchase was $110, and I was on the hook at my door for $38 in UPS brokerage fees. No Pay, No Package! So… lots of Canadians say screw you, and the package goes back to the sender, who gets hit with a re-delivery charge. This understandably makes sellers wish to avoid dealing with Canadians.

Same is true of Fed-Ex, though they are a bit more sneaky, sending a bill for customs brokerage charges to the addressee after some time has passed. Canada Post?? I've heard they sometimes charge, but in the 100 or so purchases I've made from US sellers, never once did I have to pay any fees at all. I've only made an issue of it when I specifically ask for USPS, Royal Mail, etc, and the seller went ahead and put it through via UPS/FedEx. They get "incentives' if they have a shipper's account, I am told.

And then of course there are shippers who can't fill out a declarations form correctly, or use the wrong form. they have to eat the 'undeliverable' backcharge, and Paypal finds always in favor of the buyer. I could go on and on, there are many pitfalls to avoid, but the educated shipper has no problems… 30 minutes in the eBay discussion boards on international shipping will get you on the right track…
 
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I shipped to Canada once UPS. It was 3 planes. I called and got the prices. I didn't think it was to bad. $150 worth of planes and $45 shipping. They then charged the buyer $65 for all kinds of fees, plus they broke one of the plane totes.
 
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A mystery plane for you PK.
Smoothing plane Plane Scrub plane Musical instrument Shoulder plane


The "white Lever" is for parts. That Black Lever cap one, is the Mystery plane. Picked both of these yesterday, on a rust hunt. Blackie is a #3 size, with a thick tapered iron. Ever see a solid steel adjuster wheel??? More pics later, if you want.
 

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#43 ·
Thanks, bandit! Hmmm, well I have only one #3 plane with a black lever cap. It's a generic, like yours but does not have a solid steel wheel. Does yours have a stamped steel frog? What is the name stamped into the iron?

Gas Auto part Wood Metal Bumper


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Here's some pics of planes I have that DO have solid adjuster wheels, and lo and behold, they're all Stanleys of the sick blue paint era, one of which is a Handyman!

Hand tool Wood Tool Gas Bumper


Thanks for the pics, hmm maybe we need an 'Orphan Plane Identification" thread where we can post the really difficult planes, by pics of all relevant components.
 

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#44 ·
Thanks for the info, DonW! Shipping to Canada is a breeze, if you use USPS. Purolator, Fed Ex, UPS and any other courier service will get you dinged for subsequent Customs fees. If you have a Canadian customer that insists on one of the courier services, tell him what HE can expect.
 
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Mystery Plane has a cast iron frog. On the iron, I can make out two lines, wriitten in Script form. Apparenttly it is for someones True Value store. It has a cheapo lateral, stuck on an early Stanley frog. No "gap-toothed one here.

The "Parts Plane is a Worth (less, I know) that can provide spare parts for a PARPLUS #5 I have, even the (now) shiny lever caps match. There is a stamped steel "toad" under the iron on it. Dark blue paint on the base. Handle bolts are just that, bolts. One piece bolts.

Mystery Plane's tote is in the clamps, glued up a crack that went all the way through. May strip the finish( what's left) and see what the wood is. Maybe just a coat or two of BLO?

$25 for the pair, after talking they owners down from $40. So, about $12.50 a piece?? Not too hatefull. And, I still had to go to work that night, for a 12 hr. shift. Pictures are after some of the crud was cleaned up.
 
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LOL, bandit I'm with you on the practice of calling a stamped steel frog a "Toad" !! Though I am hesitant, from a historical point of view, to mix parts from one or more planes to get one working, complete plane. Well, except from IDENTICAL planes. I don't even like to see contradictory brand of cutter on a given plane! The retail/collector value will never exceed its intrinsic value as a working plane. Having said this, it explains why I no longer buy generic toolbox planes. The absolute weirdo planes, yeah, I can't get enough of them! Sorry I can't be of more help, bandit. I'm thinking seriously about an orphan plane identification thread. Somebody out there must have that privileged knowlege about unmarked planes!!!
 
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