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You Tube is amazing, it is so HUGE. I am there at least daily for a half hour or so, and I have never run across this dood before.

A frustrated wanna be injuneer, or seems so. I suppose I would like his budget to be able to buy $500.00 + tools and just void their warranty, just like that. He must make some cash off that site.

I agree with him, and "without" tearing a Green tool apart I have never see the value in them, and have always found a less costly way to do what they do. I love my DeWally track saw, and if I felt the need to buy a sander for over 500 bux it sure wouldn't be green.

It was kinda entertaining. I see he reviews Horrible Fright tools. I bet he loves em :)
 
#3 ·
He actually does some pretty good reviews he's not biased at all he'll rip a horrible Freight just as fast as he'll rip anything else I think he is an engineer of some type he's Canadian but he's definitely entertaining
 
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Count me in too. I've subscribed to this guys channel for a while. His videos are GREAT!!!! I never thought Festool was worth it…..Very cool review !!
 
#6 ·
watched a lot of his stuff funny as heck. I've got some festool, and some cheap tools. I will say for their purpose and as a system they cannot be beat. DC is in the foundation of tool design, and COPD is nothing to laugh at.

Further, I've got festools 12 years old and still going strong, so can't complain. Other cheaper tools do some functions too, so its not an all or nothing proposition, but never had a "bad" festool. Cheers.
 
#9 ·
AvE, an interesting fellow.

I have watched his YouTube videos for a long time, and have found him to be knowledgable about his subjects, able to understandably explain the science and technology behind the subject of his interest, and brutally honest in his assessments. He understands the features that reflect quality in a tool and takes the time to explain why they indicate higher quality. If you can get past the four-letter words, I've found him to be understandable and accurate in his tool comparisons.
 
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The dude is crazy, funny, awesome, and sometimes odd. Either way, if you wanna laugh, watch his video of "her device??" or something like that….freaking hilarious. ()

- Kilo19
Ok that was funny. I have a better appreciation for him now.

The only thing I found funnier was I felt the need to search for a Japanese made Hitachi MAGIC WAND.

All I got was this Flea Bay ad Now I ask you, is it sick, or just funny that someone would pay that much cash for a USED one of these, well, considering it probably has never massaged a Lady's cheek like the pics on the boxes.

But then I found out this guy may be able to tear apart stuff, but his GoogleFu sux

Ok, enough fun, time for bed.
 
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Do like the Domino!! Its on my bucket list.

But really-- $1000 for a router, $250 for a cordless drill, $400 for jigsaw??

- rwe2156
Something to consider is instead of lusting for a Domino, make a horizontal router table. The internet is plum full of plans and ideas for them, or you could choose to buy one. MLCS has one for a lot less than a Domino. The thing is with a horizontal router you can make little grooves to put your own plugs into. It's a bring the wood to the tool, rather than a tool to the wood idea, but in the end you can get the exact same hole to stick a plug into. Plus I'd love to see someone make some trim with a Domino, which is everyday lunch for a horizontal router. Add a tilting table and you can ease through some fairly complex joinery.

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It's easy to do longer stock simply by making a few boxes the same height as your working platform to move for support on the worktable/bench you are working off of. Though you will find much of your work will fit well on a table 18" wide, but you can build yours larger if you know going in you do, let's say doors, larger casework, etc.
 

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Do like the Domino!! Its on my bucket list.

But really-- $1000 for a router, $250 for a cordless drill, $400 for jigsaw??

- rwe2156

Something to consider is instead of lusting for a Domino, make a horizontal router table. The internet is plum full of plans and ideas for them, or you could choose to buy one. MLCS has one for a lot less than a Domino. The thing is with a horizontal router you can make little grooves to put your own plugs into. It s a bring the wood to the tool, rather than a tool to the wood idea, but in the end you can get the exact same hole to stick a plug into. Plus I d love to see someone make some trim with a Domino, which is everyday lunch for a horizontal router. Add a tilting table and you can ease through some fairly complex joinery.

Table saws Table Wood Machine tool Flooring


It s easy to do longer stock simply by making a few boxes the same height as your working platform to move for support on the worktable/bench you are working off of. Though you will find much of your work will fit well on a table 18" wide, but you can build yours larger if you know going in you do, let s say doors, larger casework, etc.

- therealSteveN
I have seen a few of those home made jobs and some of them work very well. The one thing they lack is you have to take the work to the tool. With the domino you can take the tool to the work. Often time this is a good advantage.
 

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Having one I cannot say I have ever been any more bothered by bringing work to my horizontal router, than I do to a router table, or a shaper, or a table saw, jointer, planer. It's clearly a different mindset, but it is hardly wrong. Wondering if you can explain to us the job it won't do that a Domino will?
 
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AvE is amazing. He's got that manly, rough, won't-hold-back anything teardowns as well as explanations on how everything works or "should" work. The best part for me is that he is brought to his knees when his little Chickadee makes appearances in his videos. It's the cutest thing.
 
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Having one I cannot say I have ever been any more bothered by bringing work to my horizontal router, than I do to a router table, or a shaper, or a table saw, jointer, planer. It s clearly a different mindset, but it is hardly wrong. Wondering if you can explain to us the job it won t do that a Domino will?

- therealSteveN
We first used a [borrowed] Domino on a slab bench. A horizontal router simply would not have had the reach to bore in the middle of the slab.

Later on we got our own Domino and the Multi-Router that we'd been using to do floating tenons was eventually sold after being idle for years. Setup time was much longer on the Multi-Router so the Domino was faster for one-off jobs.

As far as bringing the tool to the work, this is generally the quickest way to work on a large project while using the least amount of floor space. It is especially true when the projects have dimensions exceeding 8 feet in length. Moving those around requires carts, multiple people and support stands. But if they're left on the workbench, it's easy for one guy armed with portable tools to walk around getting the job done.
 
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Having one I cannot say I have ever been any more bothered by bringing work to my horizontal router, than I do to a router table, or a shaper, or a table saw, jointer, planer. It s clearly a different mindset, but it is hardly wrong. Wondering if you can explain to us the job it won t do that a Domino will?

- therealSteveN

We first used a [borrowed] Domino on a slab bench. A horizontal router simply would not have had the reach to bore in the middle of the slab.

Later on we got our own Domino and the Multi-Router that we d been using to do floating tenons was eventually sold after being idle for years. Setup time was much longer on the Multi-Router so the Domino was faster for one-off jobs.

As far as bringing the tool to the work, this is generally the quickest way to work on a large project while using the least amount of floor space. It is especially true when the projects have dimensions exceeding 8 feet in length. Moving those around requires carts, multiple people and support stands. But if they re left on the workbench, it s easy for one guy armed with portable tools to walk around getting the job done.

- JAAune
Pretty much my story too except I never did sell my horizontal mortising machine. My mortising machine is built in to my jointer. I have had my Domino for at least 10 years now and I have NOT use my horizontal mortising machine one single time since.
 
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We first used a [borrowed] Domino on a slab bench. A horizontal router simply would not have had the reach to bore in the middle of the slab.

- JAAune
Using side supports I have made slots in doors which were 10' tall, and because of the complete support had the pieces absolutely flat, and stable when I made them, so I don't agree I can't do big projects.

I think 99% of the "only Festool can do it" mindset is because you paid so much for the tool, you have to believe it alone will do it, to justify the purchase in your mind. Thinking things through before I purchase to see which tool I already possess that can get something done, so I don't need to spend money on duplication, I've always found something not to buy Green, thus I don't have any.

I believe it's also called a lot of ways to skin that cat, and in woodworking there are always ways to do things, very seldom only one correct way. I understand this.
 
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We first used a [borrowed] Domino on a slab bench. A horizontal router simply would not have had the reach to bore in the middle of the slab.

- JAAune

Using side supports I have made slots in doors which were 10 tall, and because of the complete support had the pieces absolutely flat, and stable when I made them, so I don t agree I can t do big projects.

I think 99% of the "only Festool can do it" mindset is because you paid so much for the tool, you have to believe it alone will do it, to justify the purchase in your mind. Thinking things through before I purchase to see which tool I already possess that can get something done, so I don t need to spend money on duplication, I ve always found something not to buy Green, thus I don t have any.

I believe it s also called a lot of ways to skin that cat, and in woodworking there are always ways to do things, very seldom only one correct way. I understand this.

- therealSteveN
What's your problem man??? Nobody said you can't do big projects. Nobody said you were wrong. Who said Festool was the only way to do it? Where did you come up with this bull ******************** about justifying tools? Your very special if you can tell what's in peoples minds. People like JAAune are running a business, making a payroll and a living. He's not a retired old man pinking away in his garage shop. He has to get work done quickly. He can't spend hours making side support and what ever to get work done. There are plenty of hobbyist too who like to get things done as efficiently as possible without a bunch of work a rounds. I'm one of them. Whether you like it or not the Festool Domino is a pretty cool tool that can save a lot of time if that what one wants.

Taking the tool to the job makes a lot of sense in many cases. Image this if you can. Let say you bought a new license plate holder for your truck. It's a different size than the old one. So now you have to drill 4 new holes in your truck bumper. How you going to drill those new holes? Are you going to take the bumper off your truck and bring it to the drill press? I don't think so. You're going to grab a portable (hand) drill and take the tool to the work. If you decide to take the bumper off let know, I'll come help you carry it to your drill press. I equate your Mortise machine to be like your drill press and the hand drill to like the Domino.

Your blowing everything out of proportion read things nobody said. I said you mortise machine works but sometime there an advantage to taking the tool to the work, and there is. Your home made mortise machine isn't the only way either.
 
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What s your problem man??? Nobody said you can t do big projects. Nobody said you were wrong. Who said Festool was the only way to do it? Where did you come up with this bull ******************** about justifying tools? Your very special if you can tell what s in peoples minds. People like JAAune are running a business, making a payroll and a living. He s not a retired old man pinking away in his garage shop. He has to get work done quickly. He can t spend hours making side support and what ever to get work done. There are plenty of hobbyist too who like to get things done as efficiently as possible without a bunch of work a rounds. I m one of them. Whether you like it or not the Festool Domino is a pretty cool tool that can save a lot of time if that what one wants.

Taking the tool to the job makes a lot of sense in many cases. Image this if you can. Let say you bought a new license plate holder for your truck. It s a different size than the old one. So now you have to drill 4 new holes in your truck bumper. How you going to drill those new holes? Are you going to take the bumper off your truck and bring it to the drill press? I don t think so. You re going to grab a portable (hand) drill and take the tool to the work. If you decide to take the bumper off let know, I ll come help you carry it to your drill press. I equate your Mortise machine to be like your drill press and the hand drill to like the Domino.

Your blowing everything out of proportion read things nobody said. I said you mortise machine works but sometime there an advantage to taking the tool to the work, and there is. Your home made mortise machine isn t the only way either.

- AlaskaGuy
You just saved me a whole lot of typing.

I believe it s also called a lot of ways to skin that cat, and in woodworking there are always ways to do things, very seldom only one correct way. I understand this.
- therealSteveN
Getting from point A to point B in the safest, most efficient manner possible is the 'correct' way. That can't be argued.
 
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