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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
So I'm not the best when in comes to finishing, so I got just a quick question.

I'm making a dog kennel for my Neighboor, all I have to do to finish is build the top and doors. Then ill be ready to stain. I used 2×4's and 2×6's from Big Red. Could I use 1 coat of shellac first. Before the stain to avoid Bloch?

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Looks like you might have some potential for chewing on those stiles. It might be best to stick with a water based product. I make a glue size with a very diluted liquid hide glue, but the most available option for you would be white glue and water. I haven't used it, but a LJ did a very thorough blotch test using 1 part Gorilla white glue and 6 parts water. The photos he posted showed a very good blotch control on cherry.
 
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Shellac first will prevent the Stain from soaking in properly. Just apply the Oil based Stain, I use Minwax, with a brush or Cloth. Work it in well. Let it dry for overnight, but make sure it is DRY before applying your Top Finish Coat.

For that I use a Water based Poly, wipe on or Brushed on. It dries QUICKLY so get it on quickly and don't play with it.

I use 000 Steel Wool to smooth it out between coats. Three coats should be good enough in whatever Sheen you choose, Probably Semi-Gloss for this purpose,

Good Luck Trevor.

Rick
 
#6 ·
I like water based products some of the reasons are that they dry quicker than most oil-based products and secondly I have a problem with oil base fumes, not all staining has to be done with stains or stains that are penetrating there are gel stains that basically set on the surface that are less lightly to blotch but may depending on how much it's rubbed into a surface it may also take more coats, these are usally oil base products, another alternative are dyes I like a dye/stain from general finishes that's a water base product,this product does not rely on penetrating either but will blotch but can be used over shellac if you do a light sanding. Another way is to use a conditioner as someone has suggested but most are oil-based products and if your brushing or rubbing the top surface too much and it's oil based you can rub through it and still get blotching, a water-based conditioner made by Charles Neil can have either a water base or oil base applied over it with less chance of like material (water) rub through Charles blotch control if applied according to instructions. Whatever path you take make sure the surface has been sanded and cleaned properly before applying a conditioner or stain and use test scapes to test how it looks on the wood your useing it on your project. Good luck
 
#7 ·
a water-based conditioner made by Charles Neil

- a1Jim
One part white glue with six parts water performed just as well according to tests by one of our members, at a fraction of the price. I'm not sure why you'd want to spend $40 plus shipping when about $5 worth of white glue will do the trick.

It is a dog kennel after all. At least you'd know what was in it. Who knows what toxic stuff might be in the other.
 
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It's a dog kennel…lol. Dogs chew on things. What's in that blotch control? Anything toxic? Regardless of whether it outperforms a white glue/water mix (which a LJ member showed it didn't) is it safe for situations where a dog might chew on that frame?
 
#12 ·
Again. This isn't a cherry high boy. It's a dog kennel, and I'd avoid using any product that doesn't list the ingredients on the label. Dogs do chew, and it would be a shame to poison one because you used a product with toxic ingredients.

Has the CN blotch control been tested by the FDA for safety?
 
#19 ·
Charles Neil's Pre-Color Conditioner - Blotch Control

An excellent product for controlling the blotching of dyes and stains on blotch prone woods such as pine, cherry, birch, poplar and aspen to name a few. Great for solid wood/plywood combinations. Also prevents darkening of crotch and end grain.

VIEW CHARLES' VIDEO ON YOUTUBE TO SEE THE RESULTS

Available only in quarts (32 Fl. Oz., 946 mL)
Each quart covers approximately 50 square feet with the two recommended coats of product applied according to the directions.

Water Based - Safe - Non Toxic
Clean up with warm, soapy water.

If you still have questions about this product you may email Charles at:

blotchcontrol@msn.com
 
#21 ·
First of all the ingredient ARE listed on the label.
its 21.15 plus ship[ping not 40.00
If one is going to refer to the above post on using a glue size, at least give a link so it can be read in its entirety, particularly the part about how to hopefully keep it from cracking and flaking .
No its Not FDA approved, dont know of any finish product that is, mineral oil being the exception, which isnt a finish but a treatment .
Shellac is considered food safe , its used to coat fruits in the supermarket, to make them nice and shiny , its also why a M&M melts in your mouth and not in your hand, its also used to make time released medicines .
Our product like most all finish products are food safe once cured, and are non-toxic .
If you coat a board with pva glue size, let it dry well, then place a wet cloth on it for a while and it will soften .
Remember doing paper machete projects in grade school, where paper was coated with white glue and water , to harden up …. THey didnt stay around very long, they cracked .
Glue is not designed to be a surface treatment .
 
#23 ·
If one is going to refer to the above post on using a glue size, at least give a link so it can be read in its entirety, particularly the part about how to hopefully keep it from cracking and flaking .

- CharlesNeil
I deliberately left off the link because a couple of familiar names gang up on the OP. It's a pattern that seems to be a recurring one. I find it amusing, but the other poster might not.

OSU55's post is an excellent one, btw. I'll be sure to include a link to it if the subject comes up again.
 
#24 ·
Why not just use shellac alone. You can get it in different colors or tint it to a color you like. Several coats of garnet shellac on cherry is beautiful. Shellac is non-toxic, doesn't blotch, and can be easily repaired after being chewed. In your case, spray application would probably be the easiest/best.
 
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