Well, San Jose hasn't done anything yet although the polls seem to show that Measure B will pass. Even if it passes, however, the unions will attempt to stop implementation while it goes thru the court. Don't ask me why, but they apparently think they have a case to prevent the city from changing the contract.
The opponents to Measure B are also raising the issue of city senior executives compensation. I got a campaign flyer in today's mail that listed several job titles and their total (salary + benefits) compensation. They won't be affected by Measure B but it's certainly arguable that their compensation could stand some scrutiny as well.
the problems that abound in the world today
were created by greedy politicians and corporations
as we see they all want to 'talk' more about how to solve these problems
they themselves crated
their solutions all include getting back to the way things were
when they had free reign and made lots of money
nobody is talking about how to learn a new way
of sensible and equal sharing
there was nothing wrong with the age old 5% 0r 10% profit
it got out of hand when these guys went to 2000% profit over the years
and still growing
and unfortunately everyone seems to want to gorge at the trough
before anything new can happen
I wish people would get off the unions ass. People always want to blame the unions.
How about the dips in Washington that work less than 6 months out of the year that end up with their own retirement(not social security) health care plans that pay everything(not medicare) and can't even agree among themselves about anything to help the American people.
Yeah, I get a pension from the Union. I also have to pay for my wifes health insurance that's $230.00 a month and doesn't pay S$%#! My own insurance thru the union would be over $18,000 per year if I wasn't on Medicare.I pay my own life insurance too.
How about the Post Office? The Railroads? The fat CEO's of a company that go to work and automatically get 26 years retirement credit(American Electric Power CEO Lynn Draper in 1990)
How about the people that talked the Steel Workers into concessions in the Upper Ohio Valley and then a year later after raiding their pension funds shut down the companies and left them with nothing.(Romney made millions doing this very thing)
If it wasn't for the unions in this country YOU would be working for $2.00 a day. You wouldn't have a safe workplace. You wouldn't have building codes that protect you. I could go on and on.
It's easy to blame the Unions for the ills of this country but you need to do a lot more homework . Not every problem in this country is traceable to the "Unions". That is akin to me saying that all the problems are being caused by Republicans.
Howie… did you get your pension from a Government Job… or from the Private working sector?
Government & Unions do not mix… when corruption trickles into Governmental Unions it gets really bad… as seen in San Jose, Los Angeles, and all over California.
Private sector pensions tend to be more Down to Earth and are NOT screwing the Company in the process…
IBM had a very good pension plan in yesteryears… a long time friend who worked for IBM and finally retired and was getting a reasonable pension, had his pension STOPPED by IBM saying, in so many words, "These pensions are no longer favorable for the Company"...
Union pensions in California are NOT reasonable… they are flat out OBSCENE… driving the State into the hole… there is NO INCOME to support them! Something has got to give… We cannot raise taxes… not enough people working to Pay Them! There is ONLY ONE way to solve the problem…
California governmental Pension Reform… knocking them back down to Reality!
I'd say the people that let these things happen in California(politicians) also need their pensions looked at. I'll bet they are OBSCENE also. Are the politicians willing to give up their pensions too? Just like congress "ain't gonna happen". One of the biggest lies ever told is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".
My pensions come from the union and a private sector. The only thing obscene about them is they are rather small for 32 years service.
I thought you had a normal Down to Earth pension… in the normal sense of a pension.
( for those of us getting them, they are always NOT paying enough! LOL )
Are the politicians willing to give up their pensions too? Just like congress "ain't gonna happen".
It WILL happen… It MUST happen… In California, you do not understand what is happening…
The City of San Jose IS going to DO IT… (yes, this next Tuesday's elections will be very interesting!)
It's as simple as I said before.
It has gone too far… Government pensions are TOO FAR out of line… Something MUST be done to fix it… just like San Jose is working on. If it's NOT fixed, declaring bankruptcy to force reorganization will be the ONLY other way to solve the problem.
Incidentally, California's legislature IS going to take a CUT in Salary… 5% I think… which includes the Governor.
IMHO, is more of a gesture than really FIXING anything… it will help… but, not all of it…
Howie, you have read too many emails that spread falsehoods. Congressmen and Senators elected after 1982 are on the same system that other government employees are, the FERS retirement system.
It breaks down to
1) Thrift Savings Plan (401k basically) you deposit 5% they will deposit 5%
2) Annuity, 1% of your highest 3 working year average multiplied by your years of service (30 years = 30% of your max pay averaged over the last 3 years of your career)
3) Social Security
From what I've heard, the underlying problem is that the pension fund managers have been making assumptions about the expected rates of return on the fund. The actual ROR has been much less than the projections and the city (i.e. taxpayers) is required to make up the difference.
Howie, you have read too many emails that spread falsehoods. Congressmen and Senators elected after 1982 are on the same system that other government employees are, the FERS retirement system.
It breaks down to
1) Thrift Savings Plan (401k basically) you deposit 5% they will deposit 5%
2) Annuity, 1% of your highest 3 working year average multiplied by your years of service (30 years = 30% of your max pay averaged over the last 3 years of your career)
3) Social Security
And my pension was based on hours worked. No workie no payie. But remember I'm one of those highly paid union members. I also remember the Reagan years when unemployment lines were out the door and down the street. I'll bet the politicians didn't lose any pension payments.
I'm just saying that it isn't all on the shoulders of the unions.
Howie, do you really want congress to work more? Nothing they do is for you or me, it is for themselves, their chronies etc. They are basically salary employees, their job is to set a budget and to pass laws. Fankly we have had 200 years to make laws, probably millions on the books, why do we need more? Their salary is a meger jesture to make it appear atleast that they really make money off if is what they "steal".
Most people dont understand when i say I dont want them working more, I want them to fight and bicker, because if they are busy fighting or sitting on a beach somewhere they arent screwing me.
Furthermore, no matter what the rules, tax rates etc are I want them to stay the same because I am smart enough to plan for that, its when they throw a curveball my way that my planning gets affected.
Well gents, the voters of Wisconsin have sent a CLEAR message to the UNION THUGS and the "Obots". This coming from a member of UA Local 13. Public sector unions have to come to the realization that the "well" has a "bottom". To think that they raise a stink about having to contribute a whopping FIVE PERCENT to their retirement and an unheard of 15% to their healthcare. Those "poor people". Especially when they average $14,000 more per year than equivalent private sector jobs.( insert "Bronx Cheer" )
Sarcasm? My "specialty"! Collective bargaining for labor contracts in the private sector involves all parties concerned. It the private sector there has been "give and take". These negotiations in the past have been "adversarial". But those days have gone the way of the dinosaur with respect to the construction trades. "We" finally "woke up" to the fact that what is good for the contractors is good for US TOO. We BOTH have a stake in future economic stability of our industry and costs incurred to remain competitive.
Now in the public sector there is a MAJOR party that seems to be left out, THE TAXPAYER! They have no input from what I can see as to what wage and benefit packages will be for municipal, county, state, and federal workers. There is no "competition" for these jobs by private companies. If there were you can bet your derriere the tunes would change.
The ice may have cracked a bit, but it's a long way from broken. The police union has already filed an injunction to stop implementation and it's a certainty that others will follow. I suspect that this will be tied up in court for a long time - and may even get to the Supremes.
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